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July 23, 2015 - Ta-Nehisi Coates

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Donald Trump remains the most entertaining 2016 presidential candidate, Chuck Schumer wishes Jon mazel tov, and Ta-Nehisi Coates discusses his book "Between the World and Me." (21:28)

(CHEERS AND APPLAUSE)♪♪

>> Jon: HEY!

WELCOME TO "THE DAILY SHOW"!

MY NAME IS JON STEWART!

WE'VE GOT A GOOD ONE FOR YOUTONIGHT!

A FINE PROGRAM.

MY GUEST TONIGHT, TA-NEHISICOATES!

HE'S WRITTEN THIS INCREDIBLEBOOK.

WE'RE GONNA GET A CHANCE TO TALKABOUT THAT.

BUT FIRST -- THE DEMOCRATICPROCESS.

(LAUGHTER)

IT IS ONE OF OUR MOST SACREDOBLIGATIONS TO PROTECTING THE

INTEGRITY AND THE HEALTH OF THEGREAT NATION THAT WE LOVE SO

DEARLY.

I'M SORRY.

(LAUGHTER)

THE PRIMARIES, THE ELECTIONSFOR THE PRESIDENCY OF THE UNITED

STATES OF AMERICA.

IT IS A TASK WE MUST UNDERTAKEWITH GREAT DISCRETION AND

SERIOUSNESS OF PURPOSE.

BUT (BLEEP)!

(LAUGHTER)

THIS GUY IS SO MUCH FUN!

>> THEN I SEE RICK PERRY THEOTHER DAY.

HE PUT GLASSES ON SO PEOPLE WILLTHINK HE'S SMART, AND IT JUST

DOESN'T WORK!

>> Jon: WATCHING THIS MAN RUNFOR PRESIDENT, IT'S LIKE EATING

ICE CREAM ON A ROLLERMADE OF BLOWJOBS!

(LAUGHTER)

IT IS SO MUCH FUN.

BY THE WAY, YOU'RE WELCOME,GREAT ADVENTURE.

(LAUGHTER)

I EXPECT BY SUMMER 2017 TORIDE YOUR NEW GREAT AMERICAN

FELLATIATOR.

(LAUGHTER)

BUT IT CAN'T JUST BE TRUMP!

WE'VE GOT TO BE RESPONSIBLE,WE'V E GOTTA TURN OUR HEADS BACK

TO THE PROCESS.

I'M SURE AS THE COVERAGE HASBEEN DOMINATED BY TRUMP THAT WE

ARE MISSING NEW AND EXCITINGCANDIDATES FOR PRESIDENT.

>> OHIO GOVERNOR JOHN KASICH.

>> HE'S POPULAR, HE'S AGOVERNOR.

HE HAS EXPERIENCE ON THE SENATEARMED SERVICES COMMITTEE.

HE LAUNCHED HSI CAMPAIGN INCOLUMBUS ON TUESDAY.

>> Jon: THERE YOU GO, BOOM.

POPULAR GOVERNOR OF A SWINGSTATE, FORMER CONGRESSMAN,

GOT LEGISLATIVE ANDEXECUTIVE EXPERIENCE.

MAY NOT AGREE WITH HIM ONEVERYTHING, BUT I'LL BE VERY

INTERESTED WHAT HE HAS TO SAY.

>> IT'S THE CHALLENGES THAT MAKEYOU BETTER.

I HAVE LIVED THROUGH THEM, AND IHAVE BECOME STRONGER FOR THEM

AND AMERICA HAS BECOME STRONGERFOR THEM, AND HERE'S HOW WE'VE

DONE IT -- BY STAYING TOGETHER.

>> Jon: SO IS IT GOVERNORGOING TO SPEAK YET?

OR IS IT -- I GUESS BEFOREGOVERNOR KASICH COMES ON, THE

BRIDE'S FATHER IS GOING TO SAYSOMETHING.

(LAUGHTER)

HOLY (BLEEP)!

THAT WAS THE BASE MODEL GENERICWHITE GUY.

I DON'T KNOW WHERE HIS HANDS ENDAND THE LAWN MOWER BEGINS.

(LAUGHTER)

HEY THERE!

GOD, NO, DON'T DO IT, STEWART.

FOCUS, FOCUS!

KASICH HAS SOMETHING IMPORTANTTO SAY ABOUT OUR COUNTRY.

GO!

>> WE ARE GOING TO TAKE THELESSONS OF THE HEARTLAND AND

STRAIGHTEN OUT WASHINGTON, D.C.AND FIX OUR COUNTRY.

(CHEERS AND APPLAUSE)

>> Jon: I CAN'T (BLEEP) DO IT.

I CAN'T DO IT.

I'M OUT.

HE'S, LIKE, A PICTURE HANGING UPIN A HOTEL ROOM.

YOU DON'T NOTICE IT.

IT'S ONLY REALLY THEREBECAUSE -- HOW WEIRD WOULD BIT

IF THERE WERE NO PICTURES ON THEWALL!

COME ON!

THERE'S GOT TO BE SOMETHINGINTERESTING HAPPENING IN THE

PRESIDENTIAL RACE!

>> HILLARY CLINTON, BY THE WAY,WAS THE WORTH SECRETARY OF STATE

IN THE HISTORY OF THIS COUNTRY.

I COULDN'T CARE LESS ABOUTLINDSEY GRAHAM.

HE'S REIGSTERED AT ZERO, ITHINK.

THE PEOPLE DON'T TRUST YOU ANDDON'T TRUST THE MEDIA.

>> Jon: I WANNA WATCH HIM ALLTHE TIME.

AND YET I FEEL SO DIRTY.

I'M NOT JUST LETTING MYSELFDOWN, I'M LETTING TOWN THE

FOREFATHERS OF THIS GERAT NATIONWHO ENTRUSTED US TO STEWARD

THEIR NOBLE EXPERIMENT INSELF-EXPRESSION AND

DETERMINATION, BUT THEY NEVERCAME UP AGAINST ANYTHING LIKE

THIS GUY!

CAN YOU IMAGINE IF HE WAS THEREWHEN THEY WERE AROUND?

JOHN HANCOCK, HE'S A LOSER...

(LAUGHTER)

HEY!

WHAT KIND OF LOSER NEEDS TO PUTHIS NAME IN GIANT LETTERS ON

EVERYTHING.

JOHN HANCOCK, WHAT A LOSER!

NO!

NO!

I WON'T DO IT!

HIT ME WITH ANYTHING NOT TRUMP!

ANYTHING!

>> ALL FIVE DEMOCRATICCANDIDATES BREAKING BREAD AT A

HALL OF FAME DINNER IN IOWATONIGHT.

>> Jon: THERE WE GO, THERE WEGO.

REAL NEWS, IMPORTANT SWINGSTATE, ALL FIVE DEMOCRATIC

CANDIDATES, HILLARY CLINTON ANDTHE OTHER ONES --

(LAUGHTER)

AND ALL THE EXCITEMENT OFBREAD BEING BROKEN AT SOME KIND

OF BREAD HALL OF FAME.

LET'S DO IT, LET'S GO TO IT.

>> I'M PROUD OF MY LONG SUPPORTFOR BENEFICIAL SOCIAL PROGRAMS

THAT HELP BUILD THE MIDDLECLASS.

MY LONG SUPPORT FOR TAXSTRUCTURE WHERE THE WEALTHY PAY

THEIR FAIR SHARE.

MY LONG SUPPORT FOR A WOMEN'SRIGHT TO CHOOSE.

MY LONG SUPPORT FOR LGBT RIGHTS.

>> Jon: OH MY GOD, LINCOLNCHAFEE JUST MANAGED TO BORE THE

PEOPLE IN A STATE WHERE THEY'REGUESSING WHICH EAR OF CORN THE

CROW WILL LAND ON.

(LAUGHTER)

THE CORN ACTUALLY REMINDS MEOF SOMETHING.

THE YELLOWY, UNNATURALCOMPLECTION.

THE UNWIELDY THATCH OF THE TOP-- IT'S REMINDING ME OF -- NO!

(LAUGHTER)

BE STRONG.

I'M SEEING THINGS.

IT'S FINE, STEWART. BE STRONG.

WAKE UP.

THERE ARE OTHER DEMOCRATS TOHEAR FROM.

LET'S HEAR FROM THEM.

>> I'M ALSO THE ONLY STATEWIDECANDIDATE EVER ELECTED TO OFFICE

WITH A UNION CARD, TWO PURPLEHEARTS AND THREE TATTOOS.

>> Jon: OKAY, OKAY.

TEAM WEB. FORMER SECRETARY OFTHE NAVY, MAKING THE CASE WE

SHOULD VOTE FOR HIM BECAUSE HE'S GOT LOVE WRITTEN ON ONE

FIST, HATE ON THE OTHER, AND ATRAMP STAMP ON HIS BACK THAT

SAYS "SASSY"!

GET ME SOMEBODY WITH SOME ZAZZ!

>> NO PRESIDENT, NOT THE BEST,CAN BRING ABOUT THE CHANGES WE

NEED IN THIS COUNTRY UNLESSTHERE IS A POLITICAL REVOLUTION!

>> Jon: THERE YOU GO!

INFLAMMATORY, SAID WITH ABRUSK ACCENT, HE'S GOT PASSION.

BUT HE LACKS THE JE NE SAISDICKISHNESS I'VE COME TO EXPECT

NOW THAT TRUMP IS IN THE RACE.

MAYBE CHAFEE IS CRANKING IT UPTO 11 NOW.

>> MY LONG SUPPORT FOR RAISINGTHE MINIMUM-WAGE, MY LONG

SUPPORT FOR PROTECTING THEENVIRONMENT AND ADDRESSING

CLIMATE CHANGE.

>> Jon: IT'S LIKE THE WHITENOISE MACHINE IS RUNNING FOR

PRESIDENT.

I MEAN, THE WORDS, HE'S SAYINGWORDS, THE WORDS HAVE MEANINGS,

THEY DESCRIBE POLICIES THATMIGHT EVEN BENEFIT OUR COUNTRY,

HELP ENORMOUS NUMBERS OF PEOPLEEVEN SAVE LIVES, BUT LISTENING

TO HIM IS LIKE LICKING A PICTUREOF FOOD.

IT SHOULD TASTE LIKE SOMETHINGBUT IT'S PAPER -- WHAT DOES THAT

REMIND ME OF?

OH, NO!

IT'S EVERYWHERE!

DON'T TEMPT ME!

I WON'T!

>> THEY'RE LOSERS.

>> Jon: NO!

YOU'RE RIGHT, MURDERED BIRD.THEY ARE LOSERS.

YOU KNOW, WHAT? I FINALLY GETIT.

FOR YEARS, WE RAIL AT THE PRESSFOR COVERING THE FLASHY STUPID

STORIES INSTEAD OF THE IMPORTANTSTUFF, BUT DAMN. DAMN!

SOMETIMES YOU JUST GOTTA SAYWHAT THE [BLEEP] AND RIDE THE

THE BLOWJOBA COASTER.

>> SO LINDSEY GRAHAM. HE GAME MEHIS NUBER AND FOUND THE CARD.

I WROTE THE NUMBER DOWN.

I DON'T KNOW IF IT'S RIGHT THERIGHT NUMNER.

LET'S TRY IT -- 2-0-2 --[BLEEP].

>> Jon: TRUMP GIVING OUT LINDSEYGRAHAM'S CELL PHONE.

GOOD NEWS FOR SENATOR GRAHAM.

NO MATTER HOW HE RESPONDSWILL SEEM LIKE THE

COMPARITIVELY REASONABLECANDIDATE.

>> GRAHAM'S RESPONSE WEDNESDAYWAS TO RELEASE A VIDEO SHOWING

HIM DESTROYING CELL PHONES INVARIOUS WAYS.

>> Jon: I GUESS I'M PROBABLYLATE TO THIS, BUT YOU KNOW YOU

JUST HAVE TO CHANGE YOUR NUMBER.

I MEAN, WHAT YOU DID SEEMS LEAKYOU THOUGHT YOUR T-MOBILE WAS

CURSED BY A GYPSY.

I MUST DRIVE AWAY THE EVILSPIRITS AND PUT A STAKE IN MY

PHONE'S HEART.

TRUMP'S NOT JUST ENTERTAINING.HE'S ALSO CRUSHING EVERYONE IN

THE POLLS.

MAYBE BECAUSE HE'S FILLING ALLTHE ROLES THAT OTHER CANDIDATES

ARE SUPPOSED TO FILL.

THE GUY WHO SAYS CRAZY (BLEEP),THE DUMB GUY, THE BULLY, THE

HAIR.

IT'S LIKE THE BREAKFAST CLUB WASROLLED INTO JUST ONE GUY.

TRUMP IS 15 BAD MEALS IN ONE!

DONALD TRUMP IS THE CANDIDATEVERSION OF THE HOT DOG-CRUST

PIZZA.

YOU DON'T WANT IT!

YOU NEVER ORDERED IT, YOU CAN'TBELIEVE SOMEONE CAME UP WITH IT

BUT NOW IT'S ALL YOU WANT TOEAT!

AND YOU KNOW WHAT?

I'M TIRED OF FIGHTING IT.

IT'S THE SUMMER.

WHY CAN'T WE HAVE FUN?

WE'LL GET BACK TO SCHOOL IN THEFALL, HIT THE BOOKS, GET SERIOUS

ABOUT OUR FUTURE.

BUT UNTIL THEN, WHAT'S THE HARMIN A LITTLE SUMMER FLING?

(CHEERS AND APPLAUSE)

♪ SUMMER TRUMPIN'

♪ HAD ME A BLAST!

♪ SUMMER TRUMPIN'

♪ HE'S SUCH AN ASS

♪ BILLIONAIRE VOMITED WORDS

♪ DISTRACTING US FROM HISFELLOW TURDS ♪

♪ WONDER WHAT WE'LL WE DO WHENHE GOES BACK TO THE APPRENTICE ♪

BUT, OH ....

♪ WHAT A BLOW TO THERIIII-IIIIGHT ♪

WE ARE TERRIBLE SINGERS.

WE'LL BE RIGHT BACK.

(CHEERS AND APPLAUSE)

>> Jon: WELCOME BACK.

WE SPEND SO MUCH TIMEFOCUSING ON POLITICS --

SPEECHES, IDEAS -- WE RARELYEXPLORE WHAT WE'VE DONE WITH OUR

HANDS.

I THINK IT'S HIGH TIME WE DO ALITTLE CRAFTING.

TODAY I HOPE YOU WILL JOIN ME.

WHAT I WOULD LIKE TO TAKE YOUTHROUGH A SIMPLE CRAFT.

ALL YOU NEED IS YARN, SOMEPOPSICLE STICKS AND A GOOD

HOUSEHOLD GLUE.

NOW, WHAT WE'RE GONNA DOIS, WE'RE GONNA PUT THIS

TOGETHER IN A MANNER --

>> EXCUSE ME, JON.

(CHEERS AND APPLAUSE)

>> Jon: SENATOR SCHUMER!

SENATOR SCHUMER, WAIT!

(APPLAUSE)

WHAT ARE YOU DOING HERE?

>> THAT'S ALL THE WELCOME I GET?

NOT, HELLO, SENATOR SCHUMER.

NOT, HOW ARE YOU, THREE-TERMSENATOR FROM THE GREAT STATE OF

NEW YORK.

>> Jon: I'M SORRY.

HELLO, SENATOR SCHUMER.

TO WHAT DO WE OWE THEPLEASURE OF YOUR VISIT?

>> WHAT?

NO COFFEE CAKE OR CUP OF TEA?

>> Jon: TELL US WHY YOU'REHERE!

>> LAST NIGHT, YOU WERE SOINTERESTED IN MY DINER TIPS, I

THOUGHT I WOULD SHARE MORE OF MYBREAKFAST WISDOM WITH YOU.

>> Jon: I'M GOING TO TELL YOUSOMETHING... I'M SURPRISINGLY

INTERESTED IN THAT, SO PLEASE.

>> OF COURSE YOU ARE, JON!

YOU'RE JEWISH!

>> Jon: HOW DID YOU KNOW I WASJEWISH?

FOR YEARS I HAVE GONE OUT OF MYWAY TO AVOID DISPLAYING ANY OF

THE STEREOTYPICALCHARACTERISTICS OF OUR SHARED

HERITAGE.

>> THEN, JOHN, YOU HAVE FAILEDSPECTACULARLY!

(CHEERS AND APPLAUSE)

SO TONIGHT I WOULD ACTUALLY LIKETO CELEBRATE YOUR MEMBERSHIP IN

THE TRIBE.

>> Jon: I'M JEWISH, SO I THINK ALOT ABOUT ILLNESS.

I'M A JEW.

I CAN'T DUNK.

NOTHING TO COMPLAIN ABOUT BUTJEWS, AS COMEDIANS --

WE FIND STUFF.

>> YOU ARE A JEW?

>> Jon: YES, SIR.

LET ME EXPLAIN SOMETHING ABOUTTHE HEBREW PEOPLE -- WE ARE A

PEOPLE OF HAIR.

ALL NATURAL JEW OIL RIGHT THERE.

HAPPY YOM KIPPUR!

BASKET FILLED WITH CANDY ANDJELLY BEANS OR HORSERADISH STILL

IN ROOT FORM!

SEVENTH-INNING KVETCH.

PAUL SAULMAN, ARE YOU PUTTINGTHE ZEROES ON THE COFFEE TABLE?

DON'T MAKE ME BREAK OUT THEYIDDISH.

SCHMUTZ IS DIRT.

SCHPILKAS IS JEWISH PHLEM.

SCHPILKAS IN YOUR PUPIK.

STRAIGHT FROM HIS PUNIM TO MYPIPIK.

SHALOM.

MAZEL TOV.

>> MINIONS.>> Jon: MINIONS!

A MENSCH, HE IS!

MESHUGGANAH!

LISTEN TO ME, BUBBY.

(JON SPEAKING YIDDISH)

CIRCUM-DE-SCION 5773: VOTE ORCHAI.

(SCREAMING)

>> Jon: WHAT'S HAPPENING! OH,MY! I'M SO SORRY!

(CHEERS AND APPLAUSE)

>> Jon: I GUESS I DID DIP INTOTHE JEWISH WELL QUITE A BIT.

>> JON, IT'S A MIRACLE.

>> Jon: THANKS.

YOU TOOK ONE DAY'S WORTH OFSCHTICK AND KEPT IT GOING FOR 16

YEARS -- MAZEL TOV!

>> Jon: THANK YOU, CHUCKSCHUMER, I APPRECIATE IT.

>> YOU'RE WELCOME, JON.

NOW WOULD YOU SHOW UP ATSYNAGOGUE ONCE IN A WHILE?

WE MISS YOU!

>> Jon: SENATOR CHUCK SCHUMER,EVERYBODY.

WE'LL BE RIGHT BACK.

(CHEERS AND APPLAUSE)

>> Jon: WELCOME BACK!

MY GUEST TONIGHT, NATIONALCORRESPONDENT FOR THE ATLANTA

MAGAZINE AND AUTHOR.

HIS NEW BEST SELLING BOOK ISCALLED "BETWEEN THE WORLD AND

ME."

PLEASE WELCOME TO THE SHOWTA-NEHISI COATES!

♪♪

(CHEERS AND APPLAUSE)

>> Jon: HELLO!

>> HELLO.

>> Jon: I GREET YOU.

ALWAYS GET A QUICK I LOVE YOUBEFORE YOU COME ON.

(LAUGHTER)

"BETWEEN THE WORLD AND ME." WHATA POWERFUL WORK.

CONGRATULATIONS.

IT'S REALLY A WONDERFUL,CHALLENGING READ.

YOU WROTE THIS AS A LETTER TOYOUR SON.

>> I DID, BUT NOW I HAVE TOBREAK EVERYBODY'S HEART.

THAT WAS ACTUALLY A LITERARYCONVENTION.

I WAS WORKING ON THE BOOK.

>> I'M SORRY.>> Jon: I'M GONNA GO.

(LAUGHTER)

>> NOTHING ABOUT MY SON IS GOINGTO BE A REVELATION IN THIS BOOK.

THIS IS HOW WE TALK.

>> Jon: ALL THE TIME?

YEAH, THERE IS NOTHING NEW INHERE FOR HIM.

>> Jon: REALLY?

>> YEAH.

>> Jon: MAKES ME FEEL BETTER --

HOW OLD IS YOUR SON?

>> HE'S 14, AND HE'LL BE 15 NEXTMONTH.

>> Jon: AS A FATHER, THE IDEAYOU THOUGHT THE BEST WAY TO

COMMUNICATE WITH YOUR SON WASTHROUGH A BOOK --

>> RIGHT!

(LAUGHTER)

>> Jon: -- HAD ME VERYNERVOUS ABOUT MY CHILDREN.

>> RIGHT.

>> Jon: I WOULD HAVE TO BECOMEAN AVATAR IN A MIND CRAFT GAME

TO HAVE THIS CONVERSATION.

(LAUGHTER)

WHEN DID YOU START?

BECAUSE I THINK WHAT ISREVELATORY ABOUT THIS --

ABOUT THIS READING FOR ME IS THEUNDERLYING FEELING OF FEAR THAT

YOU EXPRESS THROUGHOUT THE BOOK,FEAR FOR YOURSELF GROWING UP IN

BALTIMORE, FEAR FOR YOUR SON,FEAR FOR OTHER MEN, OTHER

PEOPLE OF COLOR.

>> YEAH, IT'S ALWAYS TOUGH TOTELL WHEN YOU BEGIN A BOOK LIKE

THIS, BECAUSE PEOPLE SEE THAT ITACTUALLY REACHES BACK TO MY

EARLIEST MEMORIES, BUT IF I HADTO SAY AT THE BEGINNING, IT

WOULD BE THE MURDER OF MY GOODFRIEND PRINCE JONES.

WHO WENT TO HOWARD UNIVERSITY.

HE WAS TRAILED THROUGH THREEJURISDICTIONS BY A POLICE

OFFICER WHO MISTOOK HIM FORSOMEBODY ELSE AND SHOT HIM DOWN.

THAT WAS HORRIFIC.

I DON'T KNOW THAT I'VE MADE MY PEACE WITH IT, OR THAT HIS

FAMILY HAVE MADE THEIR PEACEWITH IT.

WRITING IS SOMETHING THAT WE DOTO DO THAT, TO TRY TO MAKE

SENSE OF IT.

THAT WAS 15 YEARS AGO, THAT WASTHE BEGINNING.

I HAVE BEEN CARRYING IT WITH MEEVER SINCE.

>> Jon: I THOUGHT IT WASINTERESTING.

IT'S NOT REVEALED UNTIL LATER ONIN THE BOOK, AND WHEN IT COMES

OUT, IT'S DEVASTATING TO BEGINWITH, BUT WHAT A DEVASTATING

BLOW FOR EVERYTHING ELSE THATYOU HAD SET UP FOUNDATIONALLY UP

TO THAT POINT.

>> RIGHT.

ONE OF THE DIFFICULT THINGS IS,ONE OF THE THINGS WE TELL

OURSELVES AS AFRICAN-AMERICANSIS IF WE WORK HARD, PLAY BY THE

RULES, WE START BACK A LITTLEWAYS, BUT IF WE START, WE CAN

BE TWICE AS GOOD.

SOMEHOW WE CAN ESCAPE HISTORYAND HERITAGE AND LEGACY.

AND PRINCE'S MOTHER MABEL JONESIS A WOMAN FROM OPELOUSAS,

LOUISIANA, BORN IN POVERTY,CHILD OF SHARECROPPERS, WORKED

HER WAY UP.

BECAME A RADIOLOGIST, WENT TOL.S.U., SERVED IN THE NAVY,

ACQUIRED THINGS, DID EVERYTHINGYOU'RE SUPPOSED TO DO --

AND HE SON WAS KILLED. HER SONWAS KILLED, JUST LIKE TAMIR RICE

WAS KILLED.

THERE'S NO REAL DIFFERENCE --

>> Jon: AND SHE TALKS ABOUT IT.

SHE SAYS HE HAD A LIFE OFPRIVLEGE.

THEY DID ALL THE RIGHT THINGS,THEY DID -- AND SHE TALKS ABOUT

IT'S ALL GONE IN ONE RACISTMOMENT.

>> RIGHT. RIGHT, RIGHT.

THE REALLY SAD THING THAT SHEREVEALS IS THE FACT, THEY WERE

CHASING ANOTHER CRIMINAL DRIVINGA JEEP.

>> Jon: WHO WAS 5'4".

>> AND I THINK PRINCE WAS 6'4",NO PHYSICAL RESEMBLANCE EXCEPT

THEY WERE BOTH BLACK.

THAT WAS THE ONLT THING, THAT --SHE HAD BOUGHT HIM THIS CAR,

THEY RAN THE TAGS, THE TAGS CAMEBACK IT TO HER IN PENNSYLVANIA.

THEY THOUGHT THAT HE COULD'VEPOSSIBLY STOLEN THE JEEP.

IT NEVER OCCURED TO THEM THATSOMBODY ELSE, HIS MOTHER HAD

BOUGHT IT.

THEY TRAILED HIM LIKE ACRIMINAL.

IT'S VERY SAD.

>> Jon: WHY DO YOU THINK IT'SSO DIFFICULT WHEN YOU BRING THIS

UP AS YOUR EXPERIENCE, AS THEEXPERIENCE OF A COMMUNITY, THAT

IT'S VERY DIFFICULT FOR THEWHITE COMMUNITY, THE POWER

STRUCTURE IN PLACE, TO NOT GETANGRY ABOUT THAT?

WHY IS IT SUCH A HARDCONVERSATION TO HAVE?

>> BECAUSE IT INSULTS MANY OFOUR DEEPEST NOTIONS.

IF YOU ACCEPT, AS I ARGUE INTHIS BOOK, THE IDEA ITHAT THE

PLUNDER OF BLACK COMMUNITIES ISNOT A BUMP ALONG THE ROAD, BUT

IS, IN FACT, THE ROAD ITSELF,THAT YOU CAN'T HAVE IN AMERICA

WITHOUT SLAVERY AND JIM CROW ANDEVERYTHING ABOUT TERRORISM AND

EVERYTHING THAT CAME AFTER THAT.

IT MAKES IT VERY, VERY HARDTO PREACH TO OTHER COUNTRIES AND

SAY, LISTEN, WE ARE THEUNBESMIRCHED LAND OF THE FREE.

WE ARE THE CITY, YOU KNOW, THESHINING CITY ON A HILL.

IT REVEALS US TO BE NOTNECESSARILY WORSE THAN OTHER

COUNTRIES, BUT QUITE MORTAL.

>> Jon: AND NOT EXCEPTIONAL.

>> NOT EXCEPTIONAL. THAT'SEXACTLY IT.

>> Jon: AND THERE IS ADISCONNECT BETWEEN DIRECT

RESPONSIBILITY AND MALEVOLENCEAND IGNORANCE.

>> RIGHT.

>> Jon: AND IGNORANCE IS THEHARDEST PART BECAUSE EMPATHY,

UNDERSTANDING WHAT PEOPLE AREGOING THROUGH, IS THE HARDEST

THING, ESPECIALLY FOR PEOPLE WHOTHINK, HOW DO I HAVE PRIVILEGE

WHEN MY LIFE IS HARD.

>> RIGHT, RIGHT.

WELL, ONE OF THE THINGS I'MGOING THROUGH-- I CAN'T SAY I'VE

FIGURED THIS OUT -- HOW MUCH OFIGNORANCE IS WILLFUL.

>> Jon: RIGHT.

>> IT'S NOT HARD TO KNOW WHATTHE CONFEDERATE FLAG MEANT.

(LAUGHTER)

I MEAN, THEY SAID IT. THEY SAIDIT.

(CHEERS AND APPLAUSE)

IT'S, LIKE, TRYING TO NOT KNOW-- I'M NOT SURE YET -- THAT'S

THE THING I WONDER A LOT ABOUT.

>> Jon: YOU GET CRITICIZEDBECAUSE THEY SAY YOU'RE MORE

MALCOLM THAN MARTIN.

THAT YOU IDENTIFY BY A LITTLEBIT IN THAT WAY.

IT'S NOT AS OPTOMISTIC FOR YOU,YOU DON'T HAVE THAT FEELING THAT

MAYBE THE ARC OF HISTORY IS LONGBUT IT BENDS TOWARDS JUSTICE.

>> I DON'T.

I THINK IT BENDS TOWARDS CHAOS.

I THINK, I THINK THE RECORD OFHISTORY IS ACTUALLY BEHIND ME.

WHEN WE TALK ABOUT THE ARCS,IT'S IMPORTANT TO RESPECT EVERY

INDIVIDUAL'S ARC.

IF YOU WERE WITH SOMEONE WHOWAS KILLED IN AUSCHWITZ, THAT'S

THE END OF YOUR ARC.

THAT'S DEVASTING AND THAT'STRAGIC AND WE SHOULD NOT MAKE

OURSELVES FEEL BETTER ABOUTTHAT.

WHEN ARGON WAS CHOKED TO DEATH,HIS LIFE ENDED.

DOESN'T MEAN WE CAN'T TAKETHINGS FROM IT AND BE INSPIRED,

BUT WE SHOULD NOT TRY TO MAKEOURSELVES FEEL BETTER ABOUT

THAT.

WE SHOULD SIT WITH THE PAIN.

>> Jon: I'D LOVE TO TALK TO YOUMORE ABOUT THAT.

ITS INTERESTING WHEN YOU TALKABOUT NOT COMFORTING YORU SON

AFTER THAT, SO CAN YOU STICKAROUNG?

>> YES.

>> Jon: VERY GOOD.

"BETWEEN THE WORLD AND ME," ONTHE SHELVES NOW.

IT REALLY IS A MUST-READ.

TA-NEHISI COATES.

WE'LL COME RIGHT BACK.

(CHEERS AND APPLAUSE)

>> Jon: THAT'S ALL FOR THE SHOW.

BEFORE WE GO, WE ARE, AS OF NOW,WE'RE AUCTIONING OFF 19 SUITS

PREVIOUSLY WORN BY ME.

STILL WITH THAT WONDERFULSTEWART SMELL.

PROCEEDS ARE GOING TO GO THEACHILLES FREEDOM TEAM.

THEY SPONSOR WOUNDED VETERANSTHROUGH FUNDRAISERS AND

MARATHONS ALL THROUGHOUT THECOUNTRY.

THEY DO INCREDIBLE WORK AND I AMNEVER GONNA NEED THOSE SUITS

AGAIN.

WHEN I'M OUTTA HERE, MAN, IT'SJUST ONE-PIECE SWIMSUITS,

SITTIN' AROUND.

BID ONLINE AT AUCTIONCAUSE.COM

HERE IT IS, YOUR MOMENT OF ZEN.

>> I DO NOT WANT TO SELL THEMOTHER HOUSE AND RETREAT HOUSE

TO KATY PERRY.

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