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March 24, 2015 - Jon Ronson

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A sex-trafficking bill remains stuck in Congress, Kristen Schaal reports on gender wage equality, and Jon Ronson discusses his book "So You've Been Publicly Shamed." (21:28)

(CHEERS AND APPLAUSE)♪♪

>> Jon: WELCOME TO THE DAILYSHOW.

MY NAME IS JON STEWART.

WHAT A SHOW FOR YOU TONIGHT. OURGUEST TONIGHT, WE'RE SO EXCITED

JON RONSON. HE'S ONE OF OURFAVES, BEEN ON THE SHOW TWICE,

HE'S KILLED IT BOTH TIMES, SOTONIGHT REALLY THE PRESSURE IS

ON HIM IS WHAT I'M SAYING.

TREMENDOUS. VERY FUNNY MAN.

I WANTED TO CHECK BACK THOUGH INWITH SOME STORIES WE'VE BEEN

FOLLOWING.

LAST NIGHT WE SPOKE ABOUT THEDEPARTMENT OF VETERANS AFFAIRS

AND THEIR RATHER IRONICDISREGARD FOR THE AFFAIRS OF

VETERANS.

(LAUGHTER)SPECIFICALLY THEIR RELATIVELY

NEW "CHOICE PROGRAM", DESIGNEDTO HELP VETERANS RECEIVE

OUT-OF-NETWORK HEALTH CARETO AVOID A WAIT TIME OF FOUR TO

FIVE...

EONS.

(LAUGHTER)THE CHOICE PROGRAM REQUIRES

THAT IF YOU HAVEN'T WAITED 30DAYS YOU MUST LIVE MORE THAN

40 MILES FROM A V.A. CLINIC.

"AS THE CROW FLIES."

BECAUSE THAT IS THE LEASTMEANINGFUL WAY TO JUDGE HOW HARD

IT IS TO GET SOMEWHERE FORNON-CROWS!

>> Jon: I CANNOT BELIEVE HOWYOUNG I LOOKED.

(LAUGHTER)WELL!

GUESS WHAT, FOLKS -- NOT SIXHOURS AFTER WE AIRED THAT

DAMNING PIECE OF INVESTIGATINGJOKELISM, THE V.A. FOLDS.

>> OFFICIALS SAY THEY'RERELAXING A RULE THAT MAKES IT

HARD FOR SOME VETERANS IN RURALAREAS TO PROVE THEY LIVE AT

LEAST 40 MILES FROM A V.A.

HEALTH SITE.

>> THE CHANGE NOW MEASURESTHE TRIP BY DRIVING MILES RATHER

THAN "AS THE CROW FLIES."

>> Jon: BOOM!

(CHEERS AND APPLAUSE)SORRY, CROWS! SORRY, CROWS,

(CHEERS AND APPLAUSE)SORRY, CROWS! SORRY, CROWS,

LOOKS LIKE YOU'RE GONNA HAVE TODRIVE TO THE DOCTOR JUST LIKE

EVERYONE ELSE.

AND WHAT'S MORE, THAT SMALLADJUSTMENT IN LANGUAGE

DOUBLES THE NUMBER OF VETERANSELIGIBLE FOR THAT PROGRAM!

(CHEERS AND APPLAUSE)NOW, SOME NAYSAYERS OUT THERE

WILL SAY, BUT THE V.A. MADE THATDECISION BEFORE "THE DAILY SHOW"

WROTE, TAPED AND AIRED THATPIECE, AND "THE DAILY SHOW" JUST

DIDN'T KNOW ABOUT THAT BECAUSETHAT INFORMATION HADN'T BEEN

MADE PUBLIC YET.

(BLEEP) THAT.

(CHEERS AND APPLAUSE)I SAY CREDIT WHERE CREDIT IS

DUE!

OH, YEAH, MY FRIENDS!

(FLAMINGO MUSIC)(LAUGHTER)

>> Jon: ALL RIGHT, THAT WASN'TWHAT I -- SORRY ABOUT THAT.

YEAH, MY FRIENDS!

(STEEL DRUMS)JUST, IF I MAY JUST -- PROBABLY,

YOU KNOW, MY GUITAR ISN'TSOUNDING AS GUITAR

SOUNDY AS I WOULD LIKE THAT, TO.SO --

>> GUITAR SOUND...

>> Jon: ALL RIGHT, THAT'S IT.(BLEEP).

THAT'S FINE.

(BLEEP).

(CHEERS AND APPLAUSE)YOU KNOW WHAT, I ALSO, I WANT TO

UPDATE YOU ON A STORYFROM LAST WEEK

WAS AN EPIC ONGOING BATTLEBETWEEN THE FORCES OF (BLEEP)ERY

AND THE FORCES OF DUMBASSERY ORAS THEY SOMETIMES REFER TO

THEMSELVES REPUBLICANS ANDDEMOCRATS.

NOW, WHEN WE LAST LET THISSOUL-CRUSHING TALE OF MODERN

LAWMAKING, AN ANTI-SEXTRAFFICKING BILL WAS STUCK IN

CONGRESS WHILE THE PARTIESFOUGHT OVER WHETHER FINES

COLLECTED FROM SEX TRAFFICKERSCOULD BE USED BY FORMER SEX

SLAVES FOR ABORTIONS.AND IF NOT, WHETHER THAT WOULD

BE AN EXPANSION OF THE HYDEAMMENDMENT.

DEMOCRATS RECEIVED ADDITIONALDUMBASSRY POINTS FOR NOT

ACTUALLY READING THE BILL THEHYDE AMMENDMENT WAS INSTERTED

INTO BEORE THEY VOTED IT OUT OFCOMMITTEE BECAUSE

WHY WOULD YOU DOSOMETHING THATIS YOUR LAST NAME.

ALL RIGHT, AND THE G.O.P.BOOSTED ITS (BLEEP)ERY SCORE BY

REFUSING TO CONFIRM ATTORNEYGENERAL NOMINEE LORETTA LYNCH

UNTIL THE DEMOCRATS STOPPEDBLOCKING THE SEX TRAFFICKING

BILL.

BUT GOOD NEWS.

SOME HAVE REPORTED SIGHTINGS OFTHAT RAREST OF BEASTS,

LEGISLATIVE COMPROMISE.

>> LET'S MAKE THIS FUND SUBJECTTO THE ANNUAL APPROPRIATIONS

PROCESS, SUBJECT TO THEAPPROPRIATIONS COMMITTEE AND THE

USUAL RIDERS THAT HAVE EXISTEDFOR 39 YEARS.

IT WOULD BASICALLY, AGAIN,MAINTAIN THE STATUS QUO.

>> Jon: CORNYN IS BASICALLYSAYING, ALL RIGHT, DEMOCRATS,

(BLEEP) IT.

HOW ABOUT WE DO NOTHING?

HERE'S YOUR OUT, WE'LL PASS THEANTI-SEX TRAFFICKING BILL WITH

THE ANTI-ABORTION LANGUAGE BUTHAVE IT MORE CLOSELY ADHERE TO

THE FEDERAL ANTI-ABORTION RULESTHAT DEMOCRATS HAVE ALREADY

ACCEPTED FOR DECADES. IS ITEVERYTHING DEMOCRATS WANT?

NO.

BUT IT'S THE BEST THEY'RE GOINGTO GET BECAUSE THEY LOST THE

ELECTION IN THE MIDTERMS ANDTHEY'RE PLAYING SECOND FIDDLE IN

THE SENATE NOW SO THEYBETTER ACCEPT IT.

IT'S LIKE BEING PLAYING TWO INSUPER MARIO BROTHERS.

YOU GET TO PLAY BUT YOU'REALWAYS GOING TO HAVE TO BE

LUIGI. I KNOW IT SUCKS TO BELUIGI. NOBODY WANTS TO BE LUIGI,

GLORIFIED WING-MANSTANDING BY AS HIS MORE

POPULAR, CHARISMATIC BROTHER HASSOME WEIRD INTERACTIONS

WITH THE PRINCESS, BUT IFLUIGI'S LUCKY HE GETS TO SETTLE

FOR A LACK LUSTER HAND JOB FROMWHATEVER THE HELL THIS THING IS.

WE DON'T KNOW!

(CHEERS AND APPLAUSE)DEMOCRATS SHOULD JUST ACCEPT IT!

YOU KNOW WHAT THEY DID?

THEY TURNED DOWN THE OFFER ANDTOOK A DIFFERENT APPROACH TO

PUSHING LYNCH'S CONFIRMATIONTHROUGH.

>> SEVERAL DEMOCRATS AREALLEGING RACISM IN THE SENATE'S

DELAYED VOTE ON THE U.S.ATTORNEY GENERAL NOMINEE

LORETTA LYNCH.

>> Jon: OH (BLEEP).

>> LORETTA LYNCH, THE FIRSTAFRICAN-AMERICAN WOMAN NOMINATED

TO BE ATTORNEY GENERAL IS ASKEDTO SIT IN THE BACK OF THE BUS

WHEN IT COMES TO THE SENATECALENDAR.

>> Jon: OH, FOR (BLEEP) SAKE.

NO, SHE'S NOT BEING ASKED.

SHE'S WAITING ON A CONFIRMATIONVOTE TIED TO ANOTHER BILL.

IT'S NOT -- YOU KNOW MY GUESSIS THERE IS NOT A SENATE

PROCEDURAL MOTION YOU COULDSUBJECT A PERSON TO THAT WOULD

RISE TO THE LEVEL OF JIM CROWSEGREGATION.

CHANGING THE AMENDMENT PROCEDUREMAKES ME LIKE A CHEROKEE ON THE

PAPER TRAIL OF TEARS.

NO!

(LAUGHTER)UNLESS SOMEONE THINKS THEY CAN

OUTRACE HYPERBOLIZED SENATORDURBIN.

PERHAPS YOU, REPRESENTATIVECHARLIE RANGEL?

PERHAPS YOU, REPRESENTATIVECHARLIE RANGEL?

>> THEY JUST CAN'T STAND ANOTHERBLACK AS ATTORNEY GENERAL.

THEY COME FROM STATES THATUSED TO HAVE SLAVES AND THEY'VE

ENJOYED THE CONCEPT THAT IFYOU'RE WHITE AUTOMATICALLY

YOU'RE SUPERIOR.

THEY CAN'T HELP THEMSELVES.

>> Jon: THE SAME WAY I CAN'THELP MYSELF FROM SAYING VERY

DUMB THINGS!

FOR INSTANCE, HERE'S SOMETHING ISAID -- WHAT IF BEARDS GREW

FASTER IF YOU WATERED THEM? IKNOW IT'S STUPID, BUT,

(LAUGHTER)I CAN'T HELP MYSELF!

YOU KNOW, HE IS -- HERE'S MY OWNPREJUDICE, WHEN I CLOSE MY EYES,

THAT IS MY GRANDFATHER TALKING.(LAUGHTER)

YOU KNOW WHAT, I FEEL PRETTYCERTAIN THAT THIS RACE IS AN

ACCUSATION THAT'S KIND OF(BLEEP) BUT I'M NOT 100% SURE.

SO I'M GONNA GO AHEAD AND USE MY"PHONE A BLACK FRIEND."

LET ME JUST TURN REAL QUICK ANDO THAT.

YEAH, HELLO, JESSICA?

>> Jessica: HELLO?

>> Jon: HEY JESSICA, I NEEDYOUR HELP, I'VE GOT

THIRTY SECONDS.

ARE REPUBLICANS HOLDING UPLORETTA LYNCH'S CONFIRMATION

BECAUSE THEY'RE RACIST, OR AREDEMOCRATS JUST TROLLING?

>> Jessica: IS THIS PAUL?

>> Jon: JESSICA, THE CLOCK ISTICKING!

>> Jessica: I'M JUST MESSINGWITH YOU, JON!

THE DEMOCRATS ARE TROLLING,DEFINITELY.

>> Jon: SEE THAT'S WHAT ITHOUGHT!

IT'S WICKEDY-WHACK, IS IT NOT?IS IT --

HELLO?

(DIAL TONE)HELLO?

(CHEERS AND APPLAUSE)>> Jon: I THOUGHT SO.

FACE IT, DEMOCRATS.

REPUBLICANS HOLDING UP LYNCH'SNOMINATION ISN'T THEM BEING

RACIST, IT'S THEM BEING THEM.

>> IN THE HISTORY OF THECOUNTRY, THERE HAVE BEEN 168

FILIBUSTERS OF PRESIDENTIALNOMINEES ABOUT HALF, 82,

HAPPENED DURING THE OBAMAADMINISTRATION.

>> Jon: THEY DON'T NEED AREASON TO HOLD UP AN OBAMA

APPOINTEE!

IT'S PART OF THEIR DAILYROUTINE.

YOU WAKE UP, YOU GO TO WORK, YOUPLEDGE ALLEGIENCE

TO THE GIANT POSTER OF REAGANAND JESUS RIDING A HORSE

TOGETHER, THAT ADORNS THE WALLOF THEIR OFFICE AND SPEND THE

REST OF THE DAY BLOCKING SOMEOBAMA APPOINTEE -- I JUST,

REALLY? REAGAN IN THE FRONT? IWOULD HAVE THOUGHT,

I WOULD HAVE THOUGHT THE SON OFGOD WOULD BE STEERING.

YES! YOU KNOW, I DON'T SEE THEGUY WHO SINGLE-HANDEDLY ENDED

THE COLD WAR RIDING INTHE BACK, THOUGH.

MAYBE WE COULD DO LIKE ATWO-HEADED JESUS-REAGAN HYBRID.

YES!

TRULY HOW GOD INTENDED.

IF ANYTHING, REPUBLICANS ARETREATING LYNCH WITH THE SAME

LOW LEVEL OF RESPECT THEYCONSISTENTLY RESERVE FOR ALL OF

OBAMA'S APPOINTEES AND BYPLAYING THE RACE CARD WHEN IT'S

NOT JUSTIFIED, DEMOCRATS RISKBIG IGNORED WHEN THE RACE

CARD IS JUSTIFIED,WHICH IT IS A LOT.

IT'S LIKE WHEN REPUBLICANS TRYTO LIMIT EARLY VOTING OR IMPOSE

VOTER I.D., LAWS THEY KNOW WILLDISPROPORTIONATELY EFFECT

MINORITY VOTERS. BUT YOUDON'T WANT TO BE THE BOY WHO

CRIED WOLF ON RACISM BECAUSELET'S BE HONEST,

EVEN WHEN THE WOLF IS REAL, MOSTPEOPLE ARE NOT GIVING A (BLEEP).

WE'LL BE RIGHT BACK.

(CHEERS AND APPLAUSE)>> Jon: WELCOME BACK!

DID YOU KNOW THAT MORE THAN HALFTHE COUNTRY ARE WOMEN?

IT'S TRUE.

AND YET, SOMEHOW, MORE THAN HALFTHE MONEY GOES TO MEN.

>> ACCORDING TO THE CENSUSBUREAU, WOMEN EARN 78 CENTS FOR

EVERY DOLLAR MADE MY MEN.

>> A NEW STUDY CONDUCTED BY THEINSTITUTE FOR WOMEN'S POLICY

RESEARCH INDICATES THAT AMERICANWOMEN WON'T SEE EQUAL PAY UNTIL

2058.

>> Jon: RIGHT AROUND THE TIMESCIENTISTS PREDICT THE EARTH

WILL COMPLETELY BE COVERED INWATER.

I HOPE YOUR PRECIOUS MONEYFLOATS, LADIES.

FOR MORE, WE'RE JOINED BYSENIOR WOMEN'S ISSUES

CORRESPONDENT KRISTEN SCHAAL.KRISTEN!

(CHEERS AND APPLAUSE)KRISTEN.

>> YEAH.

>> Jon: THIS NEWS I HAVE JUSTRELAYED IT SEEMS BLEAK.

>> WHAT?

NO, THIS IS INCREDIBLE NEWS!

TONIGHT WE'RE GONNA PARTY LIKEIT'S 2058!

DRINKS ON ME!

HEY, CAN I BORROW YOUR CREDITCARD?

CAUSE I'M NOT GOING TO GET PAYEQUALITY FOR A WHILE.

IT'S A LOT OF PEOPLE.

>> Jon: NOW, HERE'S WHAT I DON'TUNDERSTAND.

I DON'T KNOW WHY IT'S GOING TOTAKE SO LONG.

THAT'S WHY, YOU KNOW WHAT, IKNOW HOW TO SOLVE THIS.

LET'S PAY WOMEN THE SAME AS MEN!

COME ON!

COME ON, YEAH!

LET'S DO IT!

LET'S DO IT!

YOU'RE WELCOME, LADIES!

(CHEERS AND APPLAUSE)>> YOU DID IT, JON!

>> Jon: YEAH! WHOO!

WE SHOULD PASS A LAW! A LAW!

>> LIKE SOME SORT OF EQUAL PAYACT LAW!

YEAH!

>> Jon: BOOM!

>> LIKE THE ONE KENNEDY ALREADYSIGNED IN 1963.

GREAT IDEA, JON.

HEY, JON, YOU HEARD OF THESEFOUR MOP-TOPS OUT OF LIVERPOOL?

I THINK THEY'RE GONNA BE BIG!

>> Jon: WE DID, WE DID? WEPASSED THAT EQUAL PAY LAW?

WELL WHAT WAS THE LILLYLEDBETTER ACT A FEW YEARS AGO.

WHAT WAS --

>> WELL, THAT JUST MADE ITEASIER TO SUE THE JERKS

VIOLATING THE 1963 LAW.

A LOT OF PEOPLE ASSUMED THAT LAWWAS JUST FOR SHOW.

>> Jon: BUT STILL, THAT'SGREAT.

WE GOT EQUAL PAY! AND WE GOT THELAW THAT YOU CAN SUE FOR EQUAL

PAY, SO GREAT... KRISTENSCHAAL, EVERYBODY!

THAT WAS A SHORT PIECE, BUTWE'LL BE RIGHT BACK.

THAT'S TERRIFIC, EVERYBODY TAKECARE AND --

>> NO! STOP!

WE'RE NOT DONE HERE!

CAMERA!... YOU STAY ON ME.

YOU, LOCK THE DOORS!

BECAUSE THERE ARE TWO WAGE GAPS.

THERE YOU ARE!

>> Jon: WHAT!

YES!

ONE OF YOUR CLASSIC, OH, HEY,LADY, HERE'S YOUR PAYCHECK, UH,

WAIT ONE SECOND...

OH, YEAH, THERE YOU GO.

>> Jon: WAIT, WHY DID YOU RIPSOME OF IT?

>> OH, I DON'T KNOW, YOURCHROMOSOMES, FELT LIKE IT.

BUT IT GETS WORSE!

>> Jon: WHAT? WORSE THAN THIS?

YES, THE OTHER MORE MYSTERIOUSWAGE GAP. THE SYSTEMIC ONE.

>> Jon: SYSTEMIC, THAT IS ADIFFICULT --

>> SYSTEMIC. IT'S A COMPLICATEDWORD.

>> Jon: YOU CAN SAY THESYSTEM-IC OR SYSTEMIC!

>> BOTH OF THEM, GROSS!

>> Jon: IT'S BAR-BAR --

>> IC!

>> Jon: YES! SURE!

>> YES, YES. YOU'RE TALKINGABOUT,

OBVIOUSLY, YOU'RE TALKING ABOUTTHE SYSTEM THAT PRINTS THE

PAYCHECKS WRONG.

>> OH JON, YOU DON'T HAVE ANYIDEA WHAT I'M TALKING ABOUT,

DO YOU?

>> Jon: NO, I'M A DUDE.

>> SOCIETY MAKES IT EASIER FORMEN TO GO INTO HIGHER PAYING

JOBS AND SUPPORTS THEM MORE WHENTHEY GET THEM.

>> Jon: SO THEN ALL WE HAVETO DO IS PROVIDE WOMEN

BETTER CHILDCARE OPTIONS,EDUCATIONAL OPPORTUNITIES

CHANGE ALL THE MESSAGING INMEDIA AND ENTERTAINMENT,

I MEAN, HOW COMPLICATEDREALLY COULD THIS BE?

>> RIGHT, NOT VERY COMPLICATED.

BUT HERE ARE SOME APPARENTLYLESS COMPLICATED THINGS

THAT ARE GOING TO HAPPEN BEFORETHEN.

>> MAKERSOF A GROUND BREAKING FLYING CAR

SAY IT WILL GO ON SALE IN 2017.

>> NASA IS WORKING REALLY HARDTO GET PEOPLE OUT TO THE PLANET

MARS BY THE YEAR 2030.

>> WE'RE GOING TO BE FLYING CARSON MARS 28 YEARS BEFORE

WOMEN --

>> Jon: NO, THAT'S NOT, THEY'VEBEEN TALKING ABOUT THAT (BLEEP)

FOREVER! THE MARS AND THE FLYINGCARS, OH WE'RE GOING TO

HAVE JET PACKS AND DINNER IN APILL.

I'VE SEEN THE JETSONS! THIS ISALL BULL (BLEEP).

GIVE ME SOMETHING REAL!

>> ALL RIGHT, NOT REALENOUGH? HOW'S THIS FOR REAL?

>> 3D PRINTERS CAN MAKE SOMEAMAZING THINGS THESE DAYS.

ONE MAN SAYS THAT, TEN YEARSFROM NOW, HE WILL BE ABLE TO

PRINT AN ENTIRE HUMAN HEART.

>> Jon: HOLY (BLEEP).>> YEAH.

>> Jon: YOU'RE TELLING ME WE'REGOING TO PRINT A HUMAN HEART OUT

OF A XEROX MACHINE BEFOREWOMEN GET PAY EQUALITY?

>> NO, I'M TELLING YOU WE'REGOING TO PRINT HUMAN HEARTS OUT

OF XEROX MACHINES 30 YEARSBEFORE WOMEN GET PAY EQUALITY!

AT THIS POINT WE'D BE BETTER OFFPRINTING A 3-D PENIS, SLAPPING

IT ON THE BANK COUNTER ANDSAYING HEY SOCIETY,

(BLEEP) YOU, PAY ME.

KRISTEN SCHAAL, EVERYBODY.KRISTEN SCHAAL.

THE LANGUAGE!

(CHEERS AND APPLAUSE)>> Jon: WELCOME BACK!

MY GUEST TONIGHT, ONE OF OURFAVORITES, A BEST SELLING AUTHOR

WHOSE NEW BOOK IS CALLED "SOYOU'VE BEEN PUBLICALLY SHAMED"!

PLEASE WELCOME BACK TO OURPROGRAM JON RONSON!

JON!

♪♪(CHEERS AND APPLAUSE)

IT'S JON RONSON, EVERYBODY!

(CHEERS AND APPLAUSE)"SO YOU'VE BEEN PUBLICALLY

SHAMED."

JON RONSON, YOU ARE A BONVIVANT, YOU ARE A MAN ABOUT

TOWN, YOU ARE THE MOSTINTERESTING MAN IN THE WORLD.

WHAT DO YOU KNOW ABOUT BEINGPUBLICLY SHAMED?

>> WELL, I USED TO BE A KEENSHAMER. WHAT HAPPENED --

>> Jon: YOU WERE A SHAMER?

>> I WAS A SHAMER FOR A WHILE.

>> YOU SHAMED OTHERS?

>> YES, ONE TIME IACCIDENTALLY TYPED MY NAME INTO

GOOGLE AND DISCOVERED THAT THEREWAS ANOTHER JON RONSON

ON TWITTER WITH MY NAME AND MYFACE, AND AS

I LOOKED IN SURPRISE AT ITSTIMELINE, HE TWEETED "GOING

HOME, GOT TO GET THE RECIPE FORA HUGE PLATE OF MUSCLE AND

GROUND IT IN A VAT OF MAYONNAISEHASHTAG YUMMY.

>> Jon: WAIT, BUT THAT'SNOT YOU. THAT'S SOME OTHER

THE THING --

>> NO. SO, I WAS, LIKE, WHO AREYOU?

AND HE WENT, I'M DREAMING ABOUTTIME AND (BLEEP).

AND I LOOKED AT ITS FOLLOWERSLIST AND IT'S BEEN FOLLOWED BY

PEOPLE THAT I KNEW FROM REALLIFE WHO WERE PRESUMABLY

WONDERING WHY I HAD SUDDENLYBECOME SO PASSIONATE ABOUT

FUSION COOKING.

>> Jon: AND ALSO (BLEEP)!

>> AND ALSO -- YEAH, CANDIDABOUT DREAMING ABOUT (BLEEP)

IF I DO DREAM ABOUT (BLEEP), ITEND TO KEEP IT TO MYSELF.

>> Jon: CAN YOU I TELL YOU,THOUGH, THAT IS JUST YOUR FAMOUS

ENGLISH RESERVE.

(LAUGHTER)>> ANYWAY, SO I DISCOVERED IT

WAS SOME ACADEMICS HADCREATED A SPAMBOT,

A JON RONSON SPAMBOT.

SO I SAID, WILL YOU TAKE ITDOWN.

AND THEY SAID, WE DON'T CONSIDERIT A SPAMBOT,

WE CONSIDER IT ANINFO MOTH.

>> Jon: A WHAT?

>> AN INFO MOTH.

SO, I FELT LIKE A TIGHTNESS INMY CHEST BY NOW.

SO I MET THEM, ANYWAY, IMET THEM, AND FILMED THE

ENCOUNTER, AND IPUT IT ON YOUTUBE.

AND I WAS SCREECHY.

AND THEY TOLD ME THEY WEREANNOYED WITH ME BECAUSE WHAT

RIGHT DID I HAVE TO BE THEONLY JON RONSON.

>> Jon: BUT IT WAS YOURPICTURE.

>> MY PICTURE.

>> Jon: YOU HAVE THE RIGHT TOYOUR FACE.

>> I THINK SO.

I FIGURED, YOU KNOW, I'VE SPENT47 YEARS TRYING TO WORK OUT WHAT

MY IDENTITY IS AND I DIDN'T WANTSOMEONE ELSE TO GRAB IT FROM ME.

SO ANYWAY, SO I POSTED THE VIDEOAND I WAS WORRIED PEOPLE WOULD

KNOCK ME FOR MY SCREECHINESSBUT, NO, EVERYBODY, LIKE

STRANGERS FROM AROUND THE WORLDUNITED TO TELL ME I WAS RIGHT

AND THEY WERE MONSTERS.

AND SO I WAS, LIKE, GIDDY WITHJOY!

AND THEN PEOPLE WERE, LIKE,GOING (BLEEP) THEM!

DESTROY THEM!

BREAK THEM!

PUNCH THEM IN THE FACE!

AND I THOUGHT, MY GOD!

IT'S LIKE I'M THE HEAD OF APITCH FORK MOB!

AND WE WE'RE LIKE, WE'RELIKE TODDLERS CRAWLING TOWARDS

A GUN, I FELT, WITH SOCIALMEDIA.

>> Jon: AND THIS ALL STARTEDWITH A LITTLE DREAM ABOUT

(BLEEP).

JUST A STWEET LITTLE (BLEEP)DREAM.

>> RIGHT.

SO, I DECIDED THAT I WANTED TOMEET OTHER RECIPIENTS OF

SHAMING, OTHER PEOPLEWE HAVE TORN APART.

BECAUSE WE TEAR PEOPLE APARTALL THE TIME.

>> Jon: ALL THE TIME.>> YEAH.

>> Jon: IN FACT, SOME PEOPLEEVEN HAVE A SHOW DEVOTED TO IT.

>> RIGHT.

(CHEERS AND APPLAUSE)>> BUT WHAT YOU DON'T DO IS TEAR

APART AND DISPROPORTIONATELYPUNISH SOMEBODY LIKE AN

ORDINARY PERSON WITH 170TWITTER FOLLOWERS WHO MAKES A

JOKE ON TWITTER THAT LANDS BAD.

>> Jon: SURE, OH YEAH, NO, THOSEFOLKS -- SO, YOU GOT IN TOUCH

WITH THIS WOMAN JUSTINE SACCO.

>> YEAH, YEAH.

>> Jon: NOW WHAT WAS, WHAT WASHER STORY?

>> OKAY, SO SHE HAD 170 TWITTERFOLLOWERS, SHE WAS TRAVELING

FROM NEW YORK TO CAPE TOWN,TWEETING ACERBIC JOKES TO HER

170 FOLLOWERS. SO WHEN SHE WASAT HEATHROW

SHE TWEETED, "GOING TO AFRICA,HOPE I DON'T GET AIDS.

JUST KIDDING.

I'M WHITE." SO...

>> Jon: MMM!

THE TYPE OF THING YOU MIGHT SAYIN THE BATHROOM TO YOURSELF.

>> YEAH. OR IF YOU'RE WEREWRITING A VERY BAD, BAD

EPISODE OF SOUTH PARK.

(LAUGHTER)SO SHE CHUCKLED TO HERSELF, AND

PRESSED SEND AND GOT NO REPLIES.

SO SHE HAS THAT SAD FEELING WHENTHE INTERNET DOESN'T

CONGRATULATE US FOR BEING FUNNY.

AND SHE GOT ON THE PLANE, FELLASLEEP, WOKE UP IN CAPE TOWN,

TURNED ON THE PHONE, STRAIGHTAWAY THERE WAS A TEXT FROM

SOMEONE SHE HADN'T SPOKENTO SINCE HIGH SCHOOL THAT

SAID I AM SO SORRY WHAT'SHAPPENED TO YOU. AND WHILE SHE

SLEPT ON THE PLANE, SHE WASDESTROYED.

>> Jon: ON TWITTER.

>> ON TWITTER. AND IN REALLIFE.

>> Jon: AND THEN IN THE WORLD.AND THEN IN THE WORLD.

>> YEAH. EXACTLY, BECAUSEPEOPLE, YOU KNOW, BECAUSE

THOSE WORDS, THATCOMBINATION OF THE WORDS.

I MEAN -- AS I LAY IN BED AND ISAW THAT TWEET OVERWHELM MY

TIMELINE, I THOUGHT WHATEVERYBODY ELSE THOUGHT,

WHICH WAS --

>> Jon: SHE'S A MONSTER!

>> YEAH, WOW, SOMEBODY'S (BLEEP)IT UP! YEAH.

BUT THEN I THOUGHT I'M NOTSURE THAT'S A RACIST TWEET.

SURELY, YOU KNOW, THERE'S ATRADITION OF PEOPLE NOT

GLEEFULLY FLAUNTING WHITEPRIVILEGE BUT MAKING JOKES.

>> Jon: DARK ARCH HUMOR.

>> WHILE SHE SLEPT, PEOPLEWORKED OUT SHE

WAS ASLEEP ON THE PLANE ANDOBLIVIOUS TO HER DESTRUCTION.

WHEN I SAY PEOPLE, I DON'T MEANCRAZY TROLLS, I MEAN NICE PEOPLE

LIKE US.

>> Jon: RIGHT.

>> AND THAT WAS HILARIOUS,LIKE, A HASHTAG STARTED TO TREND

WORLDWIDE HAS JUSTINE LANDED YET.

>> Jon: AND THIS IS JUST ANINDIVIDUAL WHO HAS LIKE 100,

JUST A --

>> YEAH, AND SUDDENLY 100,000PEOPLE ARE WAITING IN THE DARK

YOU KNOW FOR HER THE TO LAND ANDFOR THEM TO ALL LIKE JUMP OUT

AND SHOUT, LIKE, BOO!

IT WAS LIKE THE WORST SURPRISEPARTY EVER.

(LAUGHTER)AND SHE WAS BROKEN!

WHEN YOU ASK US HOW SHE IS NOW,

LIKE, LIKE I ASKED SOME OF THEPEOPLE WHO SHAMED HER

HOW DO YOU THINK SHE IS, THEYWERE LIKE OH,

I'M SURE SHE'S FINE.BUT SHE'S WASN'T FINE.

I MEAN, YOU KNOW AFTER A YEARAND A HALF, SHE'S BACK ON HER

FEET NOW --

>> Jon: RIGHT. RECOVERED.

>> BUT, MY GOD WHAT IS THISTERRIFYING WORLD WE'VE MADE FOR

OURSELVES.

>> Jon: CAN I TELL YOUSOMETHING?

YOU'RE A BRILLIANT ANDINTERESTING DUDE.

>> OH, JON!

>> Jon: I REALLY LOVE THIS IDEA.

THIS IS A WONDERFUL BOOK.

AND AS ALWAYS, IT'S JON RONSON.

YOU KNOW IT'S GOING TO BE FUNNYAND INTERESTING.

"SO YOU'VE BEEN PUBLICALLYSHAMED," IT'S ON THE BOOKSHELVES

MARCH 31.

JON RONSON, EVERYBODY.

>> Jon: THAT'S OUR SHOW!

HERE IT IS, YOUR MOMENT OF ZEN!

>> THERE IS HIDDEN RACISM,RAMPANT IN THE HOUSE AND THE

SENATE.

IF IT LOOKS LIKE A DUCK, WALKSLIKE A DUCK AND QUACKS LIKE A

DUCK, IT'S A DUCK.

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