July 28, 2014 - Sonia Nazario

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A Times Square photo op goes awry, global leaders struggle to broker peace in the Middle East, and Sonia Nazario discusses "Enrique's Journey." 

>> Jon: HEY EVERYBODY.

WELCOME.

WELCOME TO "THE DAILY SHOW."

MY NAME IS JON STEWART.

TONIGHT'S GUEST, SONIA NAZARIO,AUTHOR OF THE BOOK, "ENRIQUE'S

JOURNEY," IT'S ABOUT A YOUNGHONDURAN BOY'S ATTEMPT TO COME

TO AMERICA AND FINDHIS MOTHER, AND NOT AS THE TITLE

MIGHT LEAD DO YOU BELIEVE,AN INSPIRING TALE OF

ENRIQUE IGLESIAS'SBATTLE TO ACCEPT THE

MOLE THAT WAS ON HIS FACE ANDOBVIOUSLY I DON'T WANT TO GIVE

AWAY THE ENDING, BUT HE HAS ITREMOVED.

[LAUGHTER]BUT FIRST, OVER THE PAST FEW

YEARS, NEW YORK CITY HAS DONE ANAWFUL LOT TO CLEAN UP TIMES

SQUARE.

YOU BEEN DOWN TO TIMES SQUARE?

IT IS NOT THE ROMANTIC JUNKIEHAUNTED, CRACK INFESTED,

BEHOOKERED PLAYGROUND WE ALLLOVE.

GONE ARE THE DAYS YOU GOT TOWORRY ABOUT SOME MASKED STRANGER

DEMANDING THAT YOU HAND OVER ALLYOUR MONEY.

WELL, ALMOST.

>> 25-YEAR-OLD JUNIOR BISHOPDRESSED AS SPIDER-MAN TOOK A

PHOTO WITH TWO PEOPLE.

AND WHEN THE COUPLE ATTEMPTED TOGIVE THE MAN $1, BISHOP SAID HE

ONLY TAKES $5, $10 AND $20s.

A POLICE OFFICER OVERHEARD THECONVERSATION AND STEPPED IN,

TELLING THE COUPLE THEY CANDONATE WHATEVER THEY WANT.

THE OFFICER ASKED FOR BISHOP'SI.D.

BUT HE SAID HE DIDN'T HAVE ANI.D.

>> Jon: [WHISPERING]: HIS REALNAME'S PETER PARKER,

P-A-R-K-ER.

HE LIVES WITH HIS AUNT INQUEENS.

[LAUGHTER]AND IT'S HIS FAULT UNCLE BEN

DIED.

[AUDIENCE REACTS]IT WAS HIS FAULT!

SPIDER-MAN'S EGOTISM CAUSEDTHAT.

HE WASN'T SPIDER-MAN AT THETIME.

HE WAS PETER PARKER AND HEDIDN'T REALIZE WITH GREAT POWER

COMES GREAT RESPONSIBILITY,BUT AT THE TIME HE DIDN'T HAVE

GREAT POWER BUT HE [BLEEP] UNCLEBEN.

NOBODY CAN TELL ME ANYDIFFERENT.

[LAUGHTER]ANYWAY, SOMETHING TELLS ME THIS

LITTLE THING HERE IS NOT GOINGTO END WELL.

>> THE OFFICER TOLD BISHOP HEWAS GOING TO PLACE HIM UNDER

ARREST. AND THAT'SWHEN POLICE SAY BISHOP

PUNCHED THE OFFICER IN THEFACE.

[AUDIENCE REACTS]>> Jon: WITH GREAT POWER COMES

LACK OF IMPULSE CONTROL.

[LAUGHTER]I GUESS THE REAL QUESTION

EVERYBODY HAS IN THIS SITUATIONIS: DID BATMAN THINK THAT THE

POLICE WERE JUSTIFIED?

>> LOOK WHAT HAPPENED IN THESTATEN ISLAND.

SOMEBODY GET CHOKED JUST LIKETHAT.

YOU KNOW WHAT I MEAN? HE COULDGET CHOKED FOR THAT.

YOU KNOW WHAT I MEAN?

[LAUGHTER]>> Jon: BRUCE!

BRUCE!

WE CAN SEE YOUR FACE, BRUCE.

[LAUGHTER]OF COURSE, THE INCIDENT BATMAN

IS REFERENCING WAS AN INCIDENTWHERE POLICE GOT OUT OF CONTROL

IN STATEN ISLAND.

IT WAS A TRAGIC CASE OF ERICGARNER.

>> ERIC GARNER IS THE STATENISLAND MAN WHO DIED IN POLICE

CUSTODY AFTER AN ALLEGEDCHOKEHOLD.

>> MR. GARNER WAS ALLEGEDLYSELLING WHAT'S CALLED IN NEW

YORK CITY LOOSIES, CIGARETTES,UNTAXED CIGARETTES AT

75 CENTS APIECE.

>> Jon: SURE, THAT'S HOW ITSTARTS.

BUT THE NEXT THING YOU KNOW,THAT GUY'S SELLING GUM ONE STICK

AT A TIME AND PRINGLES BY THECHIP.

[LAUGHTER]PRINGLES SINGLES OR SPRINGLES,

AS THEY'RE KNOWN ON THE STREET.

WELL, WE CAN AT LEAST HOPE ERICGARNER'S SENSELESS DEATH MARKS

THE END OF EXCESSIVE FORCE BYPOLICE.

>> THE NEW YORK CITY POLICEDEPARTMENT SAYS UP TO 1,000

REPORTS OF SUSPECTS BEING PLACEDIN ILLEGAL CHOKEHOLDS MAY NOW

HAVE TO BE REVIEWED.

>> NYPD OFFICIALS SAY THE ENTIREFORCE MAY HAVE TO BE RETRAINED.

>> Jon: OKAY, RETRAININGLESSON NUMBER ONE: THIS IS A

CAMERA PHONE.

WHEN THAT IS POINTED AT YOU,OFFICER, STOP STRANGLING THE

PERSON.

[LAUGHTER]FOR MORE, WE TURN TO SENIOR...

[CHEERING AND APPLAUSE]OH, OKAY.

I'M SORRY.

I DIDN'T KNOW SENIOR BLACKCORRESPONDENT, I DIDN'T REALIZE

WE WERE TALKING ABOUT RACIALISSUES.

I THOUGHT THIS WAS GOING TO BETHE SENIOR POLICE MISCONDUCT

CORRESPONDENT OR...

>> [LAUGHING]JON, YOU'RE SO FUNNY ACTING

LIKE THEY'RE NOT RELATED.>> Jon: [LAUGHING]

>> NOT FUNNY, JON.

>> Jon: RIGHT.

>> THIS [BLEEPED] HAS GOT TOSTOP ALREADY.

>> Jon: YEAH, BUT THAT'S WHAT IWAS GONNA SAY, BUT BLACK

PEOPLE AREN'T THE ONLY ONESWHO SOMETIMES GET MISTREATED BY

THE POLICE. WE'VE ALL SEEN THEVIDEOS OF THESE WHITE KIDS

THERE IN THE PROTEST THEREGETTING SPRAYED.

>> OH PLEASE, JON, C'MONTHAT'S PEPPER SPRAY.

THEY'RE JUST GETTING SEASONED.

[LAUGHTER]AND BESIDES, I DON'T EVEN COUNT

THEM AS WHITE PEOPLE.

THEY'RE HIPPIES. IT'S NOT THESAME.

>> Jon: ALRIGHT. UM...

FAIR POINT.

BUT DO YOU REALLY THINKTHAT THE POLICE AREN'T AS QUICK

TO CHOKE OUT A WHITE PERSONAS A BLACK PERSON?

>> WELL, LET'S COMPARE. I MEAN,ERIC GARNER WAS UNARMED, HOLDING

HIS HANDS UP, AND POLITELYASKING THE COPS TO LEAVE HIM

ALONE.>> Jon: RIGHT.

>> LOOK, HERE'S A WHITE GUY INMICHIGAN LAST MONTH, LOOK,

THERE HE IS THREATENING THE COPSWITH A RIFLE, AND LOOK.

NOW HE'S... JON, HE'S WAVING HIS[BLEEPED] AT THEM.

OH [BLEEPED]. THEY'RE GOING TO[BLEEPED] HIM UP BAD.

WHAT?

THEY'RE GOING TO SIT AND HAVE ACHAT?

YOU GOT TO BE [BLEEPED] KIDDINGME. I MEAN...

[APPLAUSE]>> Jon: WELL, I, ALL RIGHT.

>> NO, I MEAN, HE WASASKING FOR A CHOKEHOLD.

>> Jon: AT THE LEAST.

>> NO, SERIOUSLY, HE WAS ASKINGFOR A CHOKEHOLD, AND THEY STILL

DIDN'T GIVE IT TO HIM.

I MEAN, THIS GUY COULD HAVE SHOTHIS WAY OUT OF FALLUJAH.

THE ONLY THING ERIC GARNER WASBRANDISHING WAS HIS BLACK.

>> Jon: TO BE FAIR IT ISDANGEROUS OUT THERE FOR COPS,

TODAY IN THE WEST VILLAGE, THREEOFFICERS SHOT CHASING DOWN

THIS PEDOPHILE GUY. THE NYPD HASMADE HUGE RODES IN DIVERSITY.

THERE'S A LOT OF BLACK COPS NOW.

>> JON, HEY, HEY BLACK COPS CANBEAT UP BLACK PEOPLE, TOO.

LOOK, I'M NOT SAYING YOU SHOULD,BLACK COPS, JUST THAT YOU DO,

OK. SO, THIS ISN'T A WHITE/BLACKISSUE.

THIS IS A COP/BLACK ISSUE.

>> Jon: REALLY? SO DO YOUTHINK, WHAT IS IT,

SOMETHING ABOUT THE UNIFORM?

>> I DON'T KNOW. COULD BE, JON.I MEAN, I ONCE DRESSED AS A COP

FOR HALLOWEEN. BY THE END OF THENIGHT, I WAS CHOKING BROTHERS.

SO YEAH, I UNDERSTAND, IT'SDIFFICULT.

>> Jon: MAYBE, MAYBE CHANGE THECOSTUME TO CAPTAIN AMERICA.

THIS IN AN ADVANCE. THIS YEAR,YOU KNOW, MARVEL ANNOUNCED

CAPTAIN AMERICA IS NOWGOING TO BE BLACK.

THAT'S AN ADVANCE. THAT'S...

>> VERY NICE MARVEL. VERY NICE.

[APPLAUSE]>> Jon: YES...THAT SEEMS

SOMEWHAT SARCASTIC. GOLFCLAPPISH.

>> I KNOW.

SO THEY REALLY THINK A BLACKSUPERHERO IS GOING TO CHANGE

THINGS?

JON, YOU KNOW HE'S JUST GOING TOSPEND ALL HIS TIME ANSWERING

QUESTIONS ABOUT WHY YOU ALWAYSSEEMS TO SHOW UP AT CRIME

SCENES? NOT TO MENTION THEOUTFIT IS RED AND BLUE, HUH?

SO YOU'RE WITH THE BLOODS ANDTHE CRIPS.

>> Jon:, YEAH, IT WOULD BELIKE, IT'D BE LIKE, HEY,

HOW DID YOU AFFORD THAT SHIELD?

WHAT, DID YOU STEAL IT,HUBCAPTAIN AMERICA?

YOU KNOW WHAT I MEAN? LIKESTEAL...

>> WOAH, WOAH, WOAH, HEY, JON, STEAL IT, COME ON.

>> Jon: BUT I THOUGHT WE WEREDOING A BIT ABOUT THE...

>> I'M JUST [BLEEPED] WITH YOU,JON. I MEAN,

AFTER ALL THESE YEARS, COMEON, YOU DON'T KNOW THAT?

>> LARRY WILMORE, EVERYONE.

WE'LL BE RIGHT BACK.

>> Jon: WELCOME BACK.

PERIOD.

HERE IS SOMETHING I DO NOT GETTO SAY VERY MUCH AT ALL LATELY:

GOOD NEWS FROM THE MIDDLE EAST.

>> A 12-HOUR HUMANITARIANCEASEFIRE BETWEEN ISRAEL AND

HAMAS.

>> THERE WERE NO CIVILIANS BEINGSHELLED.

THERE WERE NO ROCKETS IN THESKIES OF TEL AVIV.

>> Jon: FINALLY A CEASEFIRETHAT, OKAY, 12 HOURS.

ONLY SCHEDULED TO LAST AS LONGAS DECENT DOSE OF SUDAFED, BUT

STILL.

[LAUGHTER]IT IS SOME RELIEF.

WE CAN BUILD ON THIS.

>> SUNDAY IT TOOK ALL OF TENMINUTES AFTER THE FRAGILE

CEASEFIRE EXPIRED AT 8:00 A.M.

FOR HAMAS TO SEND ROCKETS INTOISRAEL.

>> Jon: [BLEEPED].

[LAUGHTER]I GUESS THE REAL QUESTION IS:

WHAT WAS GOING ON DURING THOSETEN MINUTES?

HELLO.

PEOPLE, HUMANITARIAN CEASEFIREENDED TEN MINUTES AGO.

TICKTOCK.

THE NEVER-ENDING HATRED IN THISREGION ISN'T GOING TO BOMB

ITSELF.

[LAUGHTER]THINGS ARE SPIRALING OUT OF

CONTROL.

I THINK IT'S TIME FOR A HIGHERAUTHORITY TO INTERVENE.

>> EARLY THIS MORNING THE UNITEDNATIONS SECURITY COUNCIL

CONVENING AN EMERGENCY MEETING.

>> AN EMERGENCY MIDNIGHTMEETING.

>> Jon: STAND BACK, BITCHES.

THE U.N. IS IN TOWN.

YOU MESS WITH THE BAN KI, YOUGET THE MOON.

AND THIS ISN'T SOME PANSY ASSU.N. GENERAL ASSEMBLY MEETING.

THIS IS THE U.N. SECURITYCOUNCIL EMERGENCY MEETING, THE

BIG DOGS, THE POWER PLAYERS, THEORIGINAL KINGS OF DIPLOMACY.

THAT INCLUDES CHINA,RUSSIA, FRANCE,

THE U.K., THE UNITED STATES, THE

COUNTRIES THAT PROBABLY GAVE THEWEAPONS IN THE FIRST PLACE.

[LAUGHTER]BUT STILL, THROWING DOWN AN

EMERGENCY MIDNIGHT MEETING,[BLEEPED] IS ABOUT TO GET REAL

PEACEFUL.

>> THE U.N. SECURITY COUNCILCALLED FOR AN IMMEDIATE,

UNCONDITIONAL CEASEFIRE.

>> Jon: BOOM!

UNCONDITIONAL.

NOT THAT SUCH RESOLUTIONS ARE INANY WAY ENFORCABLE OR

MEANINGFUL, BUT STILL, WHEN ARESOLUTION IS ISSUED...

>> THE UNITED NATIONS SECURITYCOUNCIL TOOK ACTION WITH A

STATEMENT, NOT A RESOLUTION.

>> Jon: EVEN A RESOLUTION WASTOO MUCH?

GUYS, I DON'T KNOW, A RESOLUTIONSEEMS PRETTY STERN, PRETTY

STERN, GUYS.

EVEN A STATEMENT, I DON'T KNOW.

I DON'T... WHAT'S THE DEATHTOLL, 1,000 AND GROWING?

WHAT ABOUT WE JUST JUMP IN WITHAN...

[LAUGHTER]HEY, GUYS, YOU KNOW, IF THAT

GETS PUSHBACK, WE CAN TAKE ITDOWN A NOTCH. I MEAN,

WE'RE ONLY A COLLECTION OFTHE WORLD'S SUPERPOWERS.

TURNS OUT THE SECURITY COUNCILIS ABOUT AS STRICT WITH THE

MIDEAST AS MUSEUMS ARE WITHTHEIR ADMISSION PRICE.

ANYBODY ELSE, ANYBODY ELSE WANTTO TAKE A CRACK AT THIS?

>> DURING HIS WEEKLY ADDRESS,POPE FRANCIS HIS VOICE CRACKING

SAID, "I ASK YOU WITH ALL MYHEART, STOP, PLEASE."

>> Jon: YOUR HOLINESS, I COULDNOT AGREE MORE, BUT I HAVE TO

SAY, SHERIFF, NOT SURE THISPARTICULAR FIGHT IS YOUR

JURISDICTION, YOU KNOW WHAT I'MSAYING?

I DON'T KNOW IF THEY'RE GOING TOLISTEN.

SORT OF LIKE WHEN, NO...[LAUGHTER]

SORT OF LIKE WHEN THE DUKE BOYSGET OVER THE COUNTY LINE, SORRY,

ROSCO, IT'S THEIR PROBLEM NOW.

SO THE U.N. AND THE POPE CANNOTDO ANYTHING BUT SHAKE THEIR

HEADS AT THIS SITUATION ANDSIGH.

IS THERE ANYONE ELSE THAT HASTHE GRAVITY, THE AUTHORITY, THE

INTERNATIONAL GOODWILL TO STEPINTO THE RING?

>> SECRETARY OF STATE JOHN KERRYHEADING BACK TO THE MIDDLE EAST

TO TRY AGAIN FOR A CEASEFIREBETWEEN ISRAEL AND HAMAS.

>> Jon: ANYONE?

ANYONE ELSE?

ANYONE?

IS THERE ANYONE ELSE WHO HAS THEAUTHORITY TO [BLEEPED]?

[LAUGHTER]ALL RIGHT.

GIVE IT YOUR BEST SHOT.

>> ISRAEL'S SECURITY CABINET HASUNANIMOUSLY REJECTED SECRETARY

OF STATE JOHN KERRY'S PROPOSAL.

>> Jon: WOW.

UNANIMOUSLY.

JEWS DON'T USUALLY AGREE 100% ONANYTHING.

THAT'S... THIS IS A GOOD MARBLERYE.

IT'S DRY!

ACTUALLY, THE BEST COMMENT ABOUTTHIS CEASEFIRE STIPULATION FROM

KERRY FOR MY MONEY CAME FROM AVERY SENIOR ISRAELI GOVERNMENT

OFFICIAL, WHO DESCRIBED KERRY'SCEASEFIRE PROPOSAL AS "A

STRATEGIC TERRORIST ATTACK."

[AUDIENCE REACTS]

WHAT THE [BLEEPED]? ALL RIGHT.

THAT STINGS A BIT. A SHORT-TERMCEASEFIRE AGREEMENT THAT

INCLUDES STIPULATIONSISRAEL DISAGREES WITH IS

A STRATEGIC TERRORISTATTACK AGAINST YOU?

YOU, JOHN KERRY, HAVE HIT USWITH A STRATEGIC TERRORIST

ATTACK, AND ALSO THE IRON DOMESYSTEM YOUR COUNTRY HELPS US

DEVELOP AND FUND.

WE COULD USE ANOTHER $300MILLION OR MORE TO TOP IT ALL.

WE'VE BEEN USING IT A LOTLATELY.

I MEAN, COME ON!

AT LEAST KERRY'S KEEPING HISCHIN UP.

>> IT'S NEVER EASY, BUT THATDOESN'T MEAN YOU STOP,

THAT DOESN'T MEAN YOU TURN AWAY.

YOU HAVE TO KEEP DOING IT.

REMEMBER WHAT NELSON MANDELASAID: IT ALWAYS SEEMS IMPOSSIBLE

UNTIL IT IS DONE.

>> Jon: SO I WILL JUST PUT YOUDOWN FOR "SEEMS IMPOSSIBLE."

[LAUGHTER]WE'LL BE RIGHT BACK.

[CHEERING AND APPLAUSE]>> Jon: WELCOME BACK.

MY GUEST TONIGHT, SHE IS THEPULITZER PRIZE WINNING AUTHOR OF

"ENRIQUE'S JOURNEY, THE STORYOF A BOY'S DANGEROUS ODYSSEY TO

REUNITE WITH HIS MOTHER."

PLEASE WELCOME TO THE PROGRAMSONIA NAZARIO.

HELLO.

NICE SEE YOU.

THANK YOU FOR JOINING US.

>> THANK YOU.

>> Jon: OBVIOUSLY WE'D LOVE TOSAY THAT THIS SITUATION HAS

GOTTEN BETTER SINCE THE TIME OFTHIS VERY ACCLAIMED "ENRIQUE'S

JOURNEY."

WHEN, WHEN DID YOU, DID YOUWRITE THIS, ABOUT TEN YEARS AGO?

>> YEAH, I WENT TO HONDURAS 13AND TEN YEARS AGO...

>> Jon: RIGHT.

>> AND WAS WRITING ABOUT, YOUKNOW, THESE WOMEN WHO COME HERE,

SINGLE MOTHERS, LEAVE THEIRCHILDREN BEHIND IN

CENTRAL AMERICA, MEXICO, AND THECHILDREN WHO FOLLOW THEM AND

MAKE THIS MODERN-DAY ODYSSEY ONTOP OF FREIGHT TRAINS TO COME

SEARCHING FOR THEIRMOTHERS.

>> Jon: RIGHT.

>> AND I WROTE ABOUT IT THROUGHTHE STORY OF ONE BOY WHO DOES

THIS. HE DOESN'T SEE HIS MOM FOR11 YEARS. SHE LEAVE HIM WHEN

HE'S FIVE YEARS OLD.>> Jon: RIGHT.

>> AND AFTER 11 YEARS HE'SDESPERATE TO BE WITH HER, AND HE

MAKES THIS INCREDIBLE JOURNEY ONTOP OF FREIGHT TRAINS.

>> Jon: DANGER AND FILLEDWITH BEATINGS AND VIOLENCE AND

ALL KINDS OF TERRIBLE THINGSHAPPEN TO THESE KIDS AS THEY'RE

MAKING THIS JOURNEY.

>> YEAH, INCREDIBLE DANGER.

I, I DID THE JOURNEY FOR THREEMONTHS ON TOP OF FREIGHT

TRAINS TO WRITE ABOUT WHATTHIS IS LIKE. AND THEY FACE

BANDITS ALONGSIDE THERAILS, GANGS THAT I WOULD SEE

CONTROLLING THE TRAIN TOPS,ROAMING FROM CAR TO CAR...

>> Jon: RIGHT.

>> RAPING, KILLING THESECHILDREN.

>> Jon: TERRIBLE.

>> I RODE WITH A 12-YEAR-OLDBOY. THERE WERE

7-YEAR-OLD BOYS MAKING THISJOURNEY ALONE ACROSS

FOUR COUNTRIES COMING IN SEARCHOF THEIR PARENTS.

>> Jon: AND THIS, FOR THE MOSTPART BACK THEN, THE ISSUE WAS

POVERTY.

>> POVERTY AND REUNITING WITHTHE PARENT.

>> Jon: AND REUNITING WITH THEPARENT...

>> YES.

>> Jon: BUT THE PARENT HADGONE FOR POVERTY.

HOW HAS THE CONDITION CHANGED INHONDURAS NOW?

>> WELL, SO I WENT BACK TOHONDURAS...

>> Jon: YEAH.

>> TO THIS BOY'SNEIGHBORHOOD LAST MONTH...

>> Jon: RIGHT.

>> AND I WAS JUST SHOCKED BYTHE CHANGE THAT I SAW, ENORMOUS

GROWTH IN VIOLENCE BECAUSE,YOU KNOW, THERE WERE GANGS BACK

THEN, BUT NOW IN THE LAST FEWYEARS, THESE NARCO CARTELS,

WE'VE, WE STOPPED THE FLOW OFCOCAINE FROM COLOMBIA UP THE

CARIBBEAN TO THE UNITED STATES.WE SPENT $8 BILLION TO DO THAT,

BUT IT SIMPLY REROUTEDINLAND TO HONDURAS.

SO ALL THESE COCAINE FLIGHTSGOING TO THE U.S. LAND THERE,

AND THESE NARCO CARTELS, MOSTLYMEXICAN, ARE REALLY FIGHTING FOR

CONTROL OVER THIS TURF.

AND THESE CHILDREN HAVE BECOMETHEIR FOOT SOLDIERS.

>>Jon: RIGHT.

>> SO THEY'RE TRYING TO RECRUITTHESE CHILDREN AT A VERY YOUNG

AGE TO USE DRUGS, DISTRIBUTEDRUGS, SERVE AS LOOKOUTS AND

ULTIMATELY SERVE AS HITMEN FORTHESE CARTELS.

SO THEY HAD A GRIP ON HISNEIGHBORHOOD NOW, AND CHILDREN

LIVING IN JUST ENORMOUS FEAR,HAD BEEN THREATENED MULTIPLE

TIMES BY THE TIME THEY WERE 11YEARS OLD.

>> Jon: AND NOW THESE KIDS,SO, SO THIS IS THE SITUATION

WE'RE IN NOW WITH 40,000 KIDS,45,000 KIDS THAT HAVE COME UP

FROM CENTRAL AMERICA, WHICH HAS

BEEN INUNDATED WITH THESE TURFWARS, THESE DRUG TURF WARS.

>> RIGHT.

>> Jon: AND THEY GET TO OURBORDER, AND WE DO WHAT?

>> WELL, I THINK WE NEED TO SEETHESE CHILDREN FOR WHAT THEY

ARE.

THEY ARE REFUGEES.

THEY ARE FLEEING... AN IMMIGRANTWHO COMES HERE FOR ECONOMIC

REASONS, FOR A BETTER LIFE...>> Jon: RIGHT.

>> I UNDERSTAND THE IMPULSE TODEPORT THAT PERSON.

I'M NOT AN OPEN-BORDERS GAL, BUTTHESE CHILDREN, AND I TALKED TO

AN 11-YEAR-OLD BOY WHO SAID, YOUKNOW, THEY ARE BEATING ME IN MY

SCHOOL TRYING TO FORCE ME TO USEDRUGS.

I KNOW THREE PEOPLE WHO HAVEBEEN KILLED THIS YEAR.

MY ELEMENTARY SCHOOL, THESE12-YEAR-OLD NARCOS SHOW UP AND

THEY SAY, ALL OF THESE KIDS HAVETO GO WITH ME, THESE

TEN-YEAR-OLDS, TO DISTRIBUTECRACK IN MY SCHOOL.

>> Jon: RIGHT.

>> SO THESE CHILDREN ARE FLEEINGFOR THEIR LIVES, AND I THINK

IT'S REALLY AN EXTRAORDINARYMOMENT FOR US TO STAND UP AND DO

THE RIGHT THING FOR THESECHILDREN.

>> Jon: AND WHY IS IT SO HARD TODO THAT? YOU KNOW, IT'S...

[APPLAUSE]YOU KNOW, YOU SEE THESE

IMMIGRANTS, I, I, THIS IS,YOU KNOW, MAY BE A BIT OF

A RIGHT TURN, BUT I SPENTA LITTLE BIT OF TIME IN

JORDAN LAST SUMMER. THIS IS ACOUNTRY WITH IT MUST

HAVE BEEN SIX MILLIONPEOPLE IN IT.

>> RIGHT.

>> Jon: THEY HAVE VERY LITTLE INTERMS OF RESOURCES, WATER, OIL,

THEY DON'T HAVE IN THAT COUNTRY.

REFUGEES ARE POURING IN BY THEHUNDREDS OF THOUSANDS FROM

SYRIA, FROM IRAQ, AND THEY DOEVERYTHING IN THEIR POWER TO

GIVE THOSE PEOPLE REFUGE ANDASYLUM.

>> AND WE TELL THEM TO.

>> Jon: AND WHY, AND WE LINE UPAT THE BORDER AND YELL AT THEM.

>> THAT'S RIGHT.

>> Jon: SO IT'S, I THINK IT'SEMBARRASSING FOR OUR COUNTRY.

>> IT IS EMBARRASSING. I MEAN,

I THINK REPUBLICANS HAVE USEDTHESE SIX YEAR OLDS AS PUNCHING

BAGS AHEAD OF THE PRIMARYPLAYING TO THEIR BASE, SAYING

THAT THESE KIDS ARE CRIMINALSAND THEY'RE CARRYING EBOLA.

AND THEY'RE SIMPLY PLAYING TOTHE LOWEST COMMON DENOMINATOR,

THESE ANTI-IMMIGRANT FEELINGS,AND PRESIDENT OBAMA, INSTEAD OF

SAYING, LET'S GIVE THESE KIDS AREAL DUE PROCESS, LET'S LET THEM

GO TO COURT AND SEE IF THEY'REREFUGEES.

>> Jon: RIGHT. WHICH IS THE LAW,BY THE WAY, THE 2008 LAW THAT...

>> THAT'S RIGHT.

>> Jon: PRESIDENT BUSH SIGNEDWAS THAT IF YOU COME FROM

CENTRAL AMERICA AND YOU'RESEEKING ASYLUM, YOU ARE, YOU ARE

OWED DUE PROCESS.

>> AND SHAME ON HIM FOR TRYINGTO CHANGE THAT LAW.

BECAUSE HE'S TRYING EXPEDITETHEIR REMOVAL.

>> Jon: PRESIDENT OBAMA?

>> PRESIDENT OBAMA WANTS TOCHANGE THAT LAW SO THESE KIDS

ARE NOT GIVEN THEIR FAIR DAY INCOURT WHERE THEY CAN ARGUE

WHETHER THEY'RE REFUGEES OR NOT.>> Jon: RIGHT.

>> THEY NEED TO BE GIVEN AFULL, FAIR HEARING WITH AN

ATTORNEY BY THEIRSIDE. BECAUSE I'VE SEEN IN THESE

COURTROOMS, YOU KNOW, WEALLOW MURDERERS IN THIS COUNTRY,

WE PROVIDE THEM WITH A PUBLICDEFENDER.

>> Jon: RIGHT.

>> BUT AN IMMIGRANT CHILD IS NOTPROVIDED WITH THAT.

AND SO MANY OF THEM CAN'T AFFORDAN ATTORNEY.

>> Jon: WHAT DOES A SIX YEAROLD WHO ONLY SPEAKS SPANISH NEED

WITH AN ATTORNEY?

I'M SURE OUR COURT SYSTEM WILLSORT IT ALL OUT.

>> YEAH. I'M SURE THEY CAN, THEYCAN PRESENT A COMPLEX

IMMIGRATION CASEALL BY THEMSELVES.

RIGHT?

NO PROBLEM.

>> Jon: IS THERE, IS THERE AHUMANITARIAN MOMENTUM BUILDING

TO BEGIN TO STATES SAYING,LOOK, WE'LL STEP IN, WE

WILL HOUSE THEM OR AT LEAST GIVETHEM REASONABLE

LIVING CONDITIONS UNTIL THISCAN BE SORTED OUT?

>> YOU KNOW, I THINK I'VE SEENTHE GRASSROOTS, MANY

ACTUALLY CHRISTIAN, EVANGELICAL,BAPTIST GROUPS...

>> Jon: RIGHT.

>> THAT HAVE REALLY STOOD UP ANDSAID, WE CAN HELP

THESE CHILDREN IN THESEDETENTION FACILITIES.

>> Jon: RIGHT.

>> WE WANT TO DO THE RIGHTTHING.

BUT I THINK ON A POLITICALLEVEL, THESE CHILDREN ARE BEING

USED AS FOOTBALLS AND MANYPEOPLE ARE SAYING, HOW FAST CAN

WE GET RID OF THEM.

AND THE PRESIDENT IS TRYING TOPUSH MEXICO AND GUATEMALA TO

STOP THESE CHILDREN, TOBASICALLY SEAL THEM INTO THESE

COUNTRIES WHERE MANY OFTHESE CHILDREN FACE DEATH.

>> Jon: RIGHT.

>> IT'S A SERIOUS ISSUE WITHTHESE CHILDREN.

>> Jon: RIGHT.

>> THEY HAVE BEEN THREATENEDMULTIPLE TIMES.

AND I THINK THAT WE NEED TO SEETHESE CHILDREN NOT AS AN

IMMIGRATION ISSUE, BUT AS AREFUGEE ISSUE,

>> Jon: REFUGEE ISSUE, YEAH.

>> LIKE WE DID WITH CUBANS, LIKEWE HAVE WITH HAITIANS.

THERE HAVE BEEN EXTRAORDINARYMOMENTS IN OUR HISTORY WHERE WE

HAVE STOOD UP AND SAID, WE NEEDTO DO THE RIGHT THING.

THAT'S WHAT WE NEED TO DO WITHTHESE KIDS.

>> Jon: RIGHT. THE RIGHT THING.

THE RIGHT THING.

WE HAVEN'T DONE THAT IN A WHILE,HAVE WE?

"ENRIQUE'S JOURNEY" IT'S ON THEBOOKSHELVES NOW.

THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR BEINGHERE.

SONIA NAZARIO.>> THANK YOU.

>> Jon: THANK YOU SO MUCH.

>> Jon: HEY, THAT'S OUR SHOW.

JOIN US TOMORROW NIGHT AT 11:00.

HERE IT IS, YOUR MOMENT OF ZEN.

>> STRAWBERRY SHORT CAKE TOOK APICTURE WITH HER DAD AND HER MOM

AND A CHILD. AND WHENTHE FAMILY CHOSE NOT

GIVE A LARGER TIP,STRAWBERRY SHORT CAKE RIPPED OFF

HER HEAD AND STARTEDCURSING AT THE FAMILY.

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