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March 26, 2015 - John Hargrove

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Jason Jones bids farewell to The Daily Show, Jon congratulates Fox News for being right, and former orca trainer John Hargrove discusses his book "Beneath the Surface." (21:29)

( CHEERS AND APPLAUSE )

>> Jon: WELCOME TO"THE DAILY SHOW."

MY NAME IS JON STEWART.

TOP-NOTCH PROGRAM TODAY.

OUR GUEST TODAY, SEAWORLDWHISTLEBLOWER JOHN HARGROVE IS

GOING TO BE JOINING US ON THEPROGRAM.

BUT WE'RE GOING TO START TONIGHTIN THE MIDDLE EAST.

>> THE U.S. IS INVOLVED IN THEBATTLE TO RETAKE THE IRAQI CITY

OF TIKRIT FROM ISIS.

>> THE U.S. IS PROVIDING AIRSUPPORT FOR AN OFFENSIVE THAT

HAS BEEN LARGELY COORDINATED ONTHE GROUND AND LED BY IRAN.

>> Jon: FINALLY, WE'REMAKING PROGRESS IN THE FIGHT

AGAINST ISIS -- WAIT.

HOLD ON A SECOND.

DID YOU SAY LED BY IRAN?

BECAUSE I WAS THINKING WE'RE, ITHINK WE'RE THEIR ENEMY --

IRAN IRAN? ARE YOU SURE?

>> DEFINITELY, THIS BATTLE BEINGLED BY THOSE IRANIAN-BACKED SHIA

FORCES.

>> Jon: HUH.

THE IRAN WE'RE CURRENTLYCRIPPLING WITH SANCTIONS AND

PERIODICALLY THREATENING TOBOMB IS NOW OUR-- I DON'T

WANT TO SAY ALLY-- LET'S GOWITH BATTLE BUDDY.

WHICH BRINGS US TO TONIGHT'SSEGMENT, "WAIT, WHOSE SIDE

ARE WE ON AGAIN?"

SO IN TIKRIT, U.S. AND SHIAFORCES TEAMED UP TO FIGHT SUNNI

EXTREMISTS WITH A IRAN, WHICH ISINTERESTING BECAUSE THOSE THREE

SAME PARTIES ARE DUKING IT OUTRIGHT NOW IN YEMEN.

ALTHOUGH THE CONFIGURATION HAS ASLIGHTLY DIFFERENT SPIN ON IT.

>> BREAKING NEWS OUT OF YEMENTHIS MORNING, SAUDI ARABIA

LAUNCHING AIR STRIKES AGAINSTHOUTHI REBELS THERE.

>> THEY ARE FIGHTING THEHOUTHIS.

THE HOUTHIS ARE BACKED BY SAUDIARABIA'S KEY ENEMY THAT REGION,

IRAN.

THE U.S. IS IN THE GAME HERE.

THEY'RE CLEARLY PROVIDING, THEYSAY, LOGISTICAL INTELLIGENCE

SUPPORT TO THIS SAUDI-LEDCOALITION.

>> Jon: SO WE'RE FIGHTINGWITH IRAN AGAINST ISIS AND

THEN WITH SAUDI ARABIA AGAINSTIRAN-- HOLY ( BLEEP )!

( LAUGHTER )WE DID IT.

IT TOOK DECADES OF DESTABILIZINGCONFLICT, BUT WE FINALLY FIGURED

OUT HOW TO FIGHT A PROXY WARAGAINST OURSELVES.

( LAUGHTER )WE CUT OUT THE MIDDLE MAN, AND

NOW WE'RE JUST PUNCHINGOURSELVES IN THE DICK.

U-S-OW!

U-S-OW!

FOR MORE WE GO, AS WE HAVE SOOFTEN THESE LAST NEARLY 10

YEARS, LIVE TO JASON JONES INBAGHDAD.

JASON JONES!

>> HELLO THERE, JON?

( CHEERS AND APPLAUSE )>> Jon: NOW, JASON,

NORMALLY RIGHT NOW I WOULD ASKYOU TO EXPLAIN HOW WE ENDED UP

ON BOTH SIDES OF THE SUNNI-SHIACONFLICT BUT I'M NOT GOING TO DO

THAT.

>> WELL, THANK GOD BECAUSE IKNOW NOTHING ABOUT IT.

SERIOUSLY, NOTHING.

>> Jon: JASON, I'M NOT GOING TOASK YOU BECAUSE WE HAVE A FAR

MORE IMPORTANT STORY TO TALKABOUT TONIGHT.

TONIGHT IS YOUR LAST DAY.

>> Audience: OOOH.

>> THEY WERE NOT PAID TO DOTHAT.

( LAUGHTER )>> Jon: I-- I WAS-- REALLY FROM

THE SOUND OF THAT, I WAS GOINGON SAY "ON EARTH."

IT'S NOT ON EARTH.

( LAUGHTER )

IT'S HERE WITH US ON"THE DAILY SHOW."

THIS IS YOUR FINAL PROGRAM.

>> Audience: OOH.

>> OH, SAYS THE AUDIENCE.

THERE WE GO.

( CHEERS AND APPLAUSE ).PLEASE. PLEASE.

>> Jon: SO RATHER THAN THAT--WELL, THEY TURNED AWFULLY

QUICKLY FROM RUEINGTHAT TO CELEBRATING.

>> THEY DID. THEY DID.

>> Jon: RATHER THAN SPENDANOTHER SEGMENT PRETENDING WE

KNOW SOMETHING ABOUT THE MIDDLEEAST, WHICH WE DON'T.

>> WE DON'T.

>> Jon: I'M GOING TO ASK YOURIGHT NOW TO COME HOME.

>> REALLY, RIGHT --

>> COME HOME FROMTHE MIDDLE EAST?

>> RIGHT NOW?

>> Jon: WHY NOT?

COME HOME. COME HOME.

>> LET'S DO IT. LET'S DO IT.

>> Jon: ALL RIGHT. LET'S COMEHOME.

>> I'M GOING HOME.

I'M COMING HOME.

>> Jon: LET'S COME HOME RIGHTNOW.

LET'S COME HOME RIGHT NOW.

( CHEERS AND APPLAUSE )OH, HE MADE IT!

>> COMING HOME.

( CHEERS AND APPLAUSE )EXHAUSTING TRIP.

>> Jon: IT WAS ANEXHAUSTING TRIP.

WE WOULD LIKE TO JUST CELEBRATEWITH YOU JUST FOR A LITTLE BIT.

YOU GUYS HAVE NO-- SO JASON,YOUR FIRST PIECE WITH US WAS

ABOUT 10 YEARS AGO.

I WANT TO SHOW A QUICK LITTLEJUST SNIPPET FROM THAT

10 YEARS AGO.

>> SOON, THE VERY WORST OFHUMANITY WAS ON DISPLAY.

♪ ♪>> Jon: WE HAVE TALKED

ABOUT THIS, YOU CANNOT COME TOWORK WITHOUT PANTS.

WE'VE TALKED ABOUT THIS.

>> WHAT AM I SUPPOSED TO DO WITHTHIS?

LOOK AT THIS!

IT'S A ROARING LION TRAMP STAMP!

NOW, IF YOU'LL EXCUSEME, I SEEM TO HAVE GOTTEN MY

PENIS STUCK INSIDE THISCANTALOUPE.

( LAUGHTER )( APPLAUSE )

>> Jon: SO THERE -->> MY LEGACY.

( CHEERS AND APPLAUSE ).

>> Jon: THERE WAS A TIME--THERE WAS A TIME WHEN HE WAS OUR

RESIDENT BEEFCAKE.

AND HE WAS OUR GO-TO BEEFCAKE.

>> IT WAS A LOT OF BEEF.

>> Jon: BUT THE EVOLUTIONOF JASON JONES, YOUR SKILL AS

OUR INTREPID FOREIGNCORRESPONDENT, LIKE A REAL-- WE

NEVER USED TO-- YOU KNOW WE'DSTAND BY PICTURES.

WE WOULD ACTUALLY SEND JASON TOTHESE PLACES AND WHAT HE CAME

HOME WITH WAS AMAZING.

>> AS THE ONLY AMERICAN IN THISROOM, I'M SCARED.

I'M ONLY A SHOE'S-THROW AWAYFROM THE INCUMBENT PRESIDENT.

WE'RE JUST TRYING TO DO A THINGHERE --

>> YEAH.

>> WHERE WE SAY IRANIANS, LIKE,HATE AMERICANS.

CAN YOU JUST DO THAT FOR ME?

>> YOU WOULD LIKE ME TO HATE,TOO.

>> COULD YOU?

>> TO HATE?

>> YEAH PLEASE.

>> NO?

>> WHY NOT?

IF IT WAS GORBACHEV WHO ENDEDTHE COLD WAR, THEN LET'S JUST GO

TALK TO HIM.

>> WHO ASKED FOR THIS MEETING,WAS IT YOU OR YOUR COLLEAGUE?

>> IT WAS ME.

I WANTED TO COME SEE HIM.

>> IF YOU BRING CAMERAS IN HEREAGAIN, I WILL PUT YOU AGAINST

THE WALL.

>> YOU'RE GOING TO PUT MEAGAINST THE WALL?

>> I CAN ONLY IMAGINE TAKING MYKID TO SCHOOL AND SEEING TWO

DAD'S BRINGING A KID AND METRYING TO EXPLAIN TO MY KID

WHAT'S GOING ON HERE.

>> RIGHT.

I MEAN, IT'S TOUGH TO EXPLAINTHAT THAT KID HAS TWO DADDIES.

>> HOW TO FIND THE WORDS.

>> WELL, OTHER THAN THE WORDS IJUST USED.

>> WHAT?

>> HEY, THAT KID HAS TWODADDIES.

EXCUSE ME, MA'AM, DO YOU SPEAKENGLISH?

>> YES, I DO.

>> I'M SORRY, WHAT?

>> YES, I DO.

>> I'M LOOKING FOR SOMEONE WHOSPEAKS ENGLISH.

>> WELL, I DO.

>> DO.

YOU SPEAK.

ENGLISH?

>> YES, I DO, I SAID YES, I DO.

DO YOU UNDERSTAND?

>> I DON'T, I DON'T UNDERSTANDWHAT YOU'RE SAYING.

WHAT DO MINORITIES LOOK LIKEHERE?

>> YOU.

>> LIKE ME?

>> YES.

( APPLAUSE )>> YOU GUYS ALL CARE ABOUT

POLITICS?

>> YES.

>> YES, OF COURSE, I CARE ABOUTPOLITICS BECAUSE OUR FUTURE

DEPENDS ON US -- OUR FUTUREDEPENDS ON US SO WE CARE A LOT

ABOUT POLITICS.

>> YOU CARE THAT MUCH YOU DIDN'TEVEN NOTICE THAT MOTORCYCLE.

>> YEAH.

>> WOW.

>> GAYS HAVE ALL THE RIGHTS THATTHEY WANT.

ALL THEY'VE GOT TO DO IS MARRY APERSON OF THE OPPOSITE SEX.

>> OH OKAY, SO AS LONG AS GAYSDON'T BE GAY, THEY'VE GOT ALL

THE RIGHTS THEY WANT.

>> YOU SHOULDN'T HAVE SPECIALRIGHTS JUST BECAUSE OF THE TYPE

OF SEX YOU HAVE.

WHAT, WHERE IS THAT IN THECONSTITUTION?

>> IT AIN'T.

>> THAT'S RIGHT.

>> YE-HAW!

( CHEERS AND APPLAUSE )

>> Jon: UNBELIEVABLE! YOU ARE,IN MANY RESPECTS,

YOU FOR ARE A LONGTIME "THEDAILY SHOW'S" AMBASSADOR TO THE

WORLD.

>> THANK YOU.

I DON'T KNOW IF THAT'S A GOODTHING.

>> Jon: DO YOU STILL HAVE APASSPORT? OR DID THEY --

>> THEY REVOKED IT.

>> Jon: ALL RIGHT. I WOULDASSUME THAT.

>> YEAH.

>> Jon: BUT I JUST WANT TOSHOW-- YOU KNOW, JASON DID MORE

FIELD PIECES-- I DON'T KNOWEVEN IF YOU KNEW THIS-- YOU DID

MORE FIELD PIECES THAN ANYCORRESPONDENT IN THE HISTORY OF

THIS PROGRAM.

YOU'VE DONE THE MOST, I THINK BYA LONG SHOT.

>> THERE WERE OFTEN NOT ENOUGHPEOPLE HERE WORKING.

( LAUGHTER )AND I HAD TO STEP UP AND FILL

IN.

>> Jon: AND YOU DIDADMIRABLY SO.

THE THING IS, TOO, YOU KNOW, THEONE THING THAT WAS ALWAYS--

NOTHING MAKES MY JOB EASIER THANKNOWING THERE IS SOMEONE

THERE WHO I CAN ALWAYS GOTO, AND ALWAYS COUNT ON, WHO

IS GOING TO DELIVER THE FUNNY,THE SMART, THE EVERYTHING.

YOU WERE ALWAYS THAT DUDE.

I THANK YOU VERY MUCH.

( CHEERS AND APPLAUSE )WE'RE GOING TO GO TO YOU RIGHT

NOW.

HERE'S A CLIP, JASON JONES, WHOHAS ALWAYS BEEN ON THIS PROGRAM

THE MOST INTERESTING MAN IN THEWORLD.

>> IT'S MY WAY OR THE DIE-WAY.

I'M A PARENT, JUST LIKE YOU.

AND WHEN I'M NOT REPORTING ONWORLD EVENTS, I'M HANGING OUT

WITH MY DAUGHTER.

( LAUGHTER )( APPLAUSE )

♪ I'M THE WORLD'S GREATESTRAPPER IN ENGLISH AND FARSI

♪♪ I GOT MORE RHYMES THANTABOULI GOT PARSLEY

>> I LOVE YOU VERY MUCH,NANA.

I LOVE YOU,NANA.

I LOVE YOU!

WE NEED A SUPER PAC.

RIGHT HERE.

>> WHAT DOES IT LOOK LIKE I'MDOING, JON?

>> Jon: I'LL TELL YOU WHATIT LOOKS LIKE YOU'RE DOING.

>>JON, JON, RELAX.

I'M PLAYING WII CRAPS.

>> Jon: OH, OH GOD. THANK YOU.

>> WHILE I MASTURBATE.

>> Jon: OH NEXT!

>> THERE'S STILL COFFEE.

>> THERE'S STILL COFFEE.

♪ ♪

>> OH, ( BLEEP )!

>> GET ON THE GROUND NOW!

>> WHAT?

>> PUT IT DOWN.

>> IT'S A --

>> GET ON THE GROUND NOW.

>> IT'S A T-SHIRT CANNON.

>> I LIKE YOU A LOT.

>> THANKS, MAN.

>> GIVE ME A KISS.

>> ON THE CHEEK, ON THE CHEEK.

>> YEAH?

HOW DID THAT FEEL?

( LAUGHTER )IT WAS NICE.

ADMIT IT, IT WAS NICE.

>> CAN YOU DO THAT ON CABLETV?

>> OF COURSE, I CAN.

I CAN DO A LOT MORE THAN THAT.

( CHEERS AND APPLAUSE )>> Jon: JASON JONES!

( CHEERS AND APPLAUSE )BOOM! BOOM!

>> Jon: WELCOME BACK.

LAST WEEK, WE DID-- LAST WEEK, ITHOUGHT A VERY NICE PIECE ON THE

SHOW ABOUT HOW FOX NEWS WANTEDPEOPLE TO APOLOGIZE FOR RUSHING

TO JUDGMENT ON THE FERGUSONSHOOTING OF MICHAEL BROWN.

AND SO WE I THINK QUITE CLEVERLYDREW AN ANALOGY TO THAT

AND THEIR RUSH TO JUDGMENT ONBENGHAZI, IT WAS REALLY QUITE

DROLL.

NOW WHILE FOX NEVER ADDRESSEDOUR BENGHAZI POINT,

IT APPEARS NOW THEY'RE ASKINGFOR MORE THAN AN APOLOGY.

>> PETE WILLIAMS, TO HIS CREDIT,GOT THAT BOSTON MARATHON TERROR

REPORTING DEAD ON.

AND THE MAINSTREAM MEDIA HAILEDHIM AS A HERO FOR GETTING IT

RIGHT, WHICH HE DID.

FOX NEWS GOT THIS CASE RIGHT.

FOX NEWS, NOT JUST ME.

SEAN HANNITY HAD A LOT OFSEGMENTS, PLUS O'REILLY HAD A

LOT OF SEGMENTS, URGING CAUTION.

WOULD THE MAINSTREAM MEDIA EVERHAIL THEM AS HEROES LIKE WE

HEARD ABOUT PETE WILLIAMS?

>> Jon: YEAH, WHY DOESN'T FOXGET AS MUCH CREDIT AS-- WHO'S

PETE WILLIAMS?

( LAUGHTER )ANYWAY, THE POINT IS, IT WASN'T

THE FIRST TIME THEY GOT ITRIGHT.

>> I URGED CAUTION IN THE DUKECOVERAGE, AND IN THE TRAYVON

MARTIN COVERAGE, AND NOW THISCOVERAGE.

>> Jon: THAT'S THREE TIMES.

THEY GOT IT RIGHT THREE TIMES IN10 YEARS.

THOSE ARE SOLAR ECLIPSE NUMBERS,PEOPLE, WHICH I THINK IS WHY

IT'S RECOMMENDED YOU ONLY WATCHFOX THROUGH A TINY PINHOLE POKED

IN A PIECE OF CARDBOARD.

YOU CAN'T LOOK DIRECTLY AT FOX.

IT WILL INDELIBLY BURN YOURSOUL.

WHILE OF COURSE THE WHOLERUSH TO JUDGMENT COMPLAINT IS

( BLEEP ), FOX IS NOTHINGBUT A RUSH TO JUDGMENT IN

ALMOST EVERY SITUATION.

OKAY.

YOU'RE THE CAUTION AND SOBERREFLECTION NETWORK.

( LAUGHTER )BUT MY FAVORITE PART OF THE

PIECE WAS AFTER 10 MINUTES OFCOMPLAINING THAT NO ONE WOULD

EVER THANK THEM, THIS.

>> IF YOU ARE WAITING FOR THEMAINSTREAM MEDIA TO SAY NOT ONLY

THAT WE WERE WRONG IN THISRACIALLY CHARGED CASE THAT

RESULTED IN SO MUCH VIOLENCEIN THAT TOWN AND TO CREDIT

FOX NEWS FOR BEING RIGHT,YOU'RE GOING TO HOLD YOUR

BREATH A LONG TIME.

>> WE DON'T CARE ABOUT THEM.

(LAUGHTER)>> Jon: RIGHT, YOU DON'T

CARE, IN THE SAME WAY MY MOMDOESN'T CARE IF I EVER CALL.

( LAUGHTER )SURE, CALL OR NOT.

I COULD JUST SIT HERE AND DIE. ( LAUGHTER )

BUT THE POINT IS, THE POINT ISYOU WERE RIGHT,

AND THAT IS NEWSWORTHYWHEN FOX IS RIGHT.

AND CAUSE FOR CELEBRATION.

SO TO HONOR THAT TIME YOU WERERIGHT, WE GOT YOU A FUDGIE THE

WHALE.

( CHEERS AND APPLAUSE )BECAUSE, YOU KNOW WHY, WE THINK

YOU'RE A WHALE OF A NETWORK!

IN THAT WE'VE BEEN CHASING YOUOUR WHOLE LIVES AND JUST CAN'T

KILL YOU.

BUT THAT'S NOT ALL, FOX.

IN HONOR OF THIS SINGULARACHIEVEMENT OF YOU BEING RIGHT,

LIBERAL HOLLYWOOD HAS SOMETHINGTHEY'D LIKE TO SAY TO YOU.

HOLLYWOOD.

>> I'M GEORGE LUCUS AND I'M HERETO ASSURE YOU THAT I AM ONLY

GOING TO MAKE MOVIES FROM NOWON THAT ARE BLINDLY

UNCRITICAL OF AMERICA.

LIKE "THE EMPIRE STRIKES BACK,JUSTIFIABLY".

"AMERICAN EXCEPTIONALISMGRAFFITI."

"STAR WARS, THE REAGAN MISSILEDEFENSE VERSION."

AND "THE CLINTON MENACE."

FOX NEWS, MAY YOU LIVE LONG ANDPROSPER.

WAIT, I DIDN'T WRITE THAT, DIDI?

>> Jon: SORRY. BUT THE TRUTH ISTHIS--

( APPLAUSE )FOX, WE CAN SEND YOU ALL THE

CONGRATULATORY MESSAGES ANDPRAISE WE CAN MUSTER, BUT IT'S

REALLY JUST GOING TO PALE INCOMPARISON TO HOW YOUR BIGGEST

FANS FEEL ABOUT YOU, ANDSO WE HAD THEM TAPE SOME

MESSAGES OF CONGRATULATIONS ASWELL. TAKE A LOOK.

>> ONE NETWORK HAS TRANSFORMED,REENVISIONED AND REINVENTED THE

WAY NEWS IS DONE.

>> FOX IS THE DOMINANT FORCE INBROADCAST NEWS TODAY.

>> WE'RE THE ONLY NETWORK THAT'STELLING THE TRUTH RIGHT NOW.

>> IT'S THE ONLY PLACE YOU CANFEEL GOOD ABOUT YOUR COUNTRY.

>> YOU MIGHT LEARN SOMETHING ASOPPOSED TO JUST HAVING YOUR

WORLD VIEW REINFORCED.

>> WE GIVE YOU BOTH SIDES.

WE GIVE YOU ALL THE STUFF.

>> WE'RE SIMPLY BETTER THAN THEOPPOSITION.

>> WE KEEP KICKING THEIR ASSEVERY DAY IN THE RATINGS.

>> NUMBER ONE.>> NUMBER ONE.

>> NUMBER ONE, THAT'S US.

>> PROBABLY THE MOST POWERFULNEWS AGENCY IN THE WORLD RIGHT

NOW.

>> WE'RE CERTAINLY COVERINGIT THIS MORNING.

THANK YOU, FOX NEWS.

>> YOU GUY'S, YOU'RE THE BEST.

>> THANK GOD FOR OUTLETS LIKEFOX NEWS.

>> THANK GOD FOR FOX NEWS.

>> THANK GOD FOX NEWS IS ON IT.

>> THANK GOD.

>> THANK GOD.

>> THANK GOD.

>> GOD BLESS FOX NEWS.

>> Jon: HE CLEARLY ALREADYHAS.

THE GREAT THING IS I GET IT NOW.

YOUR NETWORK LAUNCHED IN 1996,YOU'RE 18 YEARS OLD, AND JUST

LIKE EVERY OTHER 18-YEAR-OLD,YOU HAVE A MASSIVE EGO AND SPEND

24 HOURS A DAY JERKING YOURSELFOFF.

WE'LL BE RIGHT BACK.

( CHEERS AND APPLAUSE )>> Jon: WELCOME BACK.

MY GUEST TONIGHT A FORMER ORCATRAINER AT SEAWORLD.

HE'S WRITTEN ABOUT THATEXPERIENCE IN HIS NEW BOOK

"BENEATH THE SURFACE: KILLERWHALES, SEAWORLD, AND THE TRUTH

BEYOND BLACKFISH."

PLEASE WELCOME TO THE PROGRAMJOHN HARGROVE.

JOHN!

( CHEERS AND APPLAUSE )ALL RIGHT, SIR.

"BENEATH THE SURFACE".YOU HAVE WRITTEN --

YOU'RE CONSIDERED AWHISTLEBLOWER FOR SEAWORLD.

HOW LONG DID YOU WORK ATSEAWORLD?

>> 12 YEARS OUT OF MY 14-YEARCAREER.

>> Jon: OUT OF YOUR 14-YEARCAREER.

>> I SPENT TWO YEARS AT ANOTHERKILLER WHALE FACILITY IN

FRANCE.

>> Jon: OH, OKAY.

NOW, WE HAVE HAD A LOT OFCONTROVERSIAL GUESTS ON THIS

SHOW.

JUST THIS WEEK, WE HAD FILMMAKERS WHO MADE A FILM ABOUT

RAPE ON CAMPUS, COLLEGECAMPUSES.

WE HAD ON AYAAN HIRSI ALI WHOTALKED ABOUT REFORMING ISLAM.

WE HAVE NEVER HAD A TWITTERRESPONSE AIMED AT US FOR YOUR

APPEARANCE.

THERE ARE PEOPLE SENDING US"DON'T TRUST THIS GUY.

HE'S A LIAR," MAINLY WITHSEAWORLD TWITTER HANDLE

ADDRESSES.

>> BIG SHOCKER THERE.

( LAUGHTER )>> Jon: THIS IS, THIS IS CRAZY.

>> YEAH.

>> Jon: WHAT IS THAT?

>> IT IS A CULT-LIKE MENTALITY.

YOU KNOW, YOU ARE-- IF YOU EVERLEAVE AND YOU DARE SPEAK OUT,

THIS IS WHAT'S GOING TO HAPPENTO YOU.

THEY'RE GOING TO GO AFTER YOUVICIOUSLY.

THEY'RE GOING TO TRY TO SILENCEYOU.

AND THIS IS THE REASON WHY THEYHAVE GOTTEN AWAY FOR DECADES

WITH SILENCING TRAINERS.

>> Jon: IN YOURCAREER,

SO YOU'RE TRAINING WHALES,AT WHAT POINT,

DO YOU THINK TO YOURSELF, "OH,THIS IS A SENTIENT CREATURE,

AND WHAT I'M DOING ISN'T RIGHT"?

>> YOU KNOW, THAT IS A GREATQUESTION BECAUSE IN THE

BEGINNING YOU DON'T KNOWWHAT'S NORMAL FROM ABNORMAL

OR HEALTHY FROM UNHEALTHY.

SO WHEN YOU GET INTO IT IN THEBEGINNING, YOU THINK, ARE ALL

THE DORSAL FINS LIKE THATCOLLAPSEED IN THE WILD?

>> Jon: RIGHT.

>> ARE ALL THEIR TEETH WORN DOWNLIKE THAT IN THE WILD?

YOU JUST DON'T KNOW.

BUT THEN ONCE YOU REALIZETHAT THESE ARE THE DAMAGING

EFFECTS FROM CAPTIVITY, ANDTHEY'RE DYING PREMATURELY,

THEY'RE DYING FROM ILLNESSESAND DISEASE THEY'RE NOT

DYING FROM IN THE WILD.

>> Jon: RIGHT.

>> YOU SEE ALL THESE THINGS, ANDTHE MOTHER-CALF SEPARATIONS, AND

HOW TRAUMATIC THAT IS FOR THOSEANIMALS, EVEN YEARS LATER.

I MEAN, YOU JUST GET IT AT SOMEPOINT MORALLY AND ETHICALLY THIS

IS JUST NOT RIGHT.

AND, YOU KNOW, AND WHAT THEPROBLEM IS, IS THAT AT THAT

POINT, YOU'RE STUCK BECAUSE YOULOVE THOSE WHALES SO MUCH.

THIS IS YOUR CHILDHOOD DREAM.

YOU FEEL LIKE, OKAY-- YOURATIONALIZE IT AWAY, ALMOST LIKE

A BAD RELATIONSHIP.

>> Jon: SURE.

I HAVE TO SAY EVEN GOING THEREYOU RATIONALIZE IT.

>> YEAH.

>> Jon: I'VE BEEN THERE.

I WENT THERE ONCE, I WANTED MYKID TO SEE IT, YOU KNOW, AND

WHILE YOU'RE THERE YOU'RE LIKE,OH YOU KNOW, JEEZ, THAT'S A

PRETTY GOOD-SIZED SWIMMINGPOOL.

>> RIGHT.

>> Jon: YOU KNOW, AND THENYOU LEAVE AND YOU'RE LIKE,

NOT FOR A WHALE.

>> NO, AND THE SAD PART ISIS THAT WHEN PEOPLE SEE THE

FRONT SHOW POOL, VERY RARELY DOTHOSE WHALES HAVE ACCESS

TO ALL OF THOSE POOLS.

MOST OFTEN, WE RESTRICT THOSEWHALES TO JUST ONE OR TWO POOLS,

AND MANY TIMES THROUGHOUT THEDAY, THEY'RE IN AN

EIGHT-FOOT-DEEP MED POOL, THAT'STHE DIMENSIONS OF A BACKYARD

SWIMMING POOL.

>> Jon: IS IT POSSIBLE TO HAVETHIS TYPE OF THING IN A HUMANE

WAY, OR ARE WEKIDDING OURSELVES?

ARE WE KIDDING OURSELVES THAT INANY WAY YOU CAN KEEP THESE

LARGE, VERY SMART MAMMALS, ANDEVEN TREATING THEM MORE HUMANELY

WITH LESS CHEMICALS AND MOREROOM, IS IT EVEN POSSIBLE TO DO?

>> IT'S NOT.

AND I WISH THAT I COULD TELL YOUTHAT IT WAS.

IT WOULD MAKE MY JOB AND THE WAYTHAT I REFLECT BACK ON MY LIFE

AND MY CAREER WITH THOSEANIMALS, MAKE ME SLEEP EASIER AT

NIGHT.

BUT WE-- WE TRIED WITH THE BESTRESOURCES THAT WE HAD, AND IT IS

CLEAR TO SEE, WE HAVE ANOVERWHELMING AMOUNT OF SCIENCE

THAT PROVES THAT THESE ANIMALSARE NOT ONLY NOT THRIVING.

THEY'RE NOT EVEN SURVIVING.

>> Jon: RIGHT.

>> AND THE DAMAGE, THEPSYCHOLOGICAL DAMAGE, AND THE

PHYSICAL DAMAGE IS APPARENT.

YOU DON'T HAVE TO BE ANEXPERIENCED KILLER WHALE TRAINER

LIKE I AM.

YOU CAN GO TO THE PARK, AND YOUCAN LOOK AT THOSE WHALES, LOOK

AT THEIR TEETH, LOOK AT THECOLLAPSED DORSAL FIN, LOOK AT

THE DEATH RATES OF THE WHALESAND THE AGES THAT THEY DIED.

>> Jon: RIGHT.

>> AND KNOW THAT THIS IS JUSTMORALLY AND ETHICALLY

MESSED UP.

>> Jon: WELL EVEN THAT, THERE'STHAT ONE SCENE IN "BLACKFISH"

WHERE THEY'RE SEPARATING THEBABIES FROM THE MOTHERS,

AND YOU SEE THEM GO BANANAS.

LIKE, THEY ARE MOURNING.

THEY'RE GOING CRAZY.

>> IT'S HORRIBLE. IT'S HORRIBLE.

>> Jon: AND THAT -- IS THAT--AND WHEN YOU SEE

THAT, KNOWING THAT IS WHAT'SHAPPENING AND KNOWING THAT

THAT'S GOING ON, CAN-- ARE THEYPOWERLESS TO PUT THEM BACK

TOGETHER AGAIN OR THEY JUST HAVETO SAY LIKE, HEY, THIS IS THE

JUST THE WAY WE DO THINGS?

>> YOU MEAN AS A TRAINER?

>> Jon: YEAH.

>> OH, I WOULD FIGHT IT.

>> Jon: YEAH.

>> BUT I MEAN, YOU CAN'T. LIKE,YOU KNOW, YOU, YOU KID YOURSELF

TO THINK THAT ONCE YOU'RE AHIGH ENOUGH LEVEL RANKED

TRAINER I'M GOING TOVOICE UP I'M GOING TO --

>> Jon: YOU'LL CHANGE THINGS.

>> YES, I'LL CHANGE THINGS ANDTHEN YOU REALIZE YOU HAVE NO

POWER.

YOU CAN'T STOP THIS MOTHER-CALFSEPARATION.

WHAT I LOVE IS LIKE THE ( BLEEP ) SEAWORLD PROPAGANDA.

THEY HAVE ON THEIR WEB SITE,EVEN TO THIS DAY, WHICH SHOWS

HOW STUPID THEY ARE-- "WE DO NOTSEPARATE MOTHERS FROM THEIR

CALVES."

OKAY, I KNOW OF, OFF THE TOP OFMY HEAD, WHICH IS PROBABLY

MORE BUT WITH 100% CERTAINTY,WE TOOK 19 CALVES AWAY

FROM THEIR MOTHERS.

OKAY AND THEN, BUT ON THAT PAGETHAT SAYS, "WE DO NOT SEPARATE

MOTHERS FROM THEIR CALVES,"THEY HAVE A PICTURE OF

TAKARA, WITH HER CALF KOHANA.

RIGHT NOW TAKARA IS IN TEXAS,AND KOHANA IS IN SPAIN.

SO THEY'RE SO STUPID THEYCOULDN'T EVEN USE A PICTURE

WHERE THE TWO WHALES AREACTUALLY STILL TOGETHER.

>> Jon: DO THEY, IS THERE ANYCHANCE THAT KOHANA IS JUST

STUDYING ABROAD FOR A SEMESTER?

"BENEATH THE SURFACE."

IT'S ON THE BOOKSHELVES NOW.

JOHN HARGROVE.

>> Jon: THAT'S OUR SHOW,HERE IT IS THE MOMENT OF ZEN.

>> OBAMACARE IS GOING TO BE ONEOF THE WORST THINGS, ONE OF THE

WORST THINGS IN AMERICANHISTORY.

>> DO YOU REMEMBER ( BLEEP )SLAVERY?

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