July 30, 2014 - Maggie Gyllenhaal

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Corporations throw tantrums and move to Europe, Jordan Klepper reports on hard-hitting journalism in a digital world, and Maggie Gyllenhaal discusses "The Honorable Woman." 

>> Jon: HEY, WELCOME TO "THEDAILY SHOW."

MY NAME IS JON STEWART.

WE HAVE A GOOD SHOW FOR YOUTONIGHT.

MY GUEST TONIGHT, OH, AN OLDFAVORITE, MAGGIE GYLLENHAAL IS

GOING TO BE HERE DISCUSSING HERNEW MINISERIES, "THE HONOURABLE

WOMAN," ABOUT ONE PERSON'SATTEMPT TO BRIDGE THE GAP

BETWEEN -- OH, FOR GOD'S...

ISRAEL AND PALESTINE?

OH, MAN, CAN A BROTHER GATEBATMAN SEQUEL?

I MEAN, FOR GOD'S SAKE.

[LAUGHTER]I JUST, I JUST NEED A DAY OFF.

THAT'S ALL I NEED.

AND THE AUDIENCE WANTS ME TOSOLVE IT. AND THE [MUMBLING]...

WHAT DO YOU, WOULD YOU DO?

I DON'T KNOW. I JUST [BLEEPED]SAID THAT.

I JUST WANTED SOME PIZZA.

WHAT DO YOU WANT FROM ME?

[LAUGHTER]BUT TONIGHT I'D LIKE THE TALK TO

YOU ABOUT CORPORATIONS.

CORPORATIONS, THEY'RE A LOT LIKEUS -- IMMORTAL.

[LAUGHTER]SHIELDED FROM LIABILITY,

ACCOUNTABLE ONLY TOSHAREHOLDERS.

OH, WAIT, THAT'S OPPOSITE OF US.

SORRY.

BUT THERE IS ONE THINGCORPORATIONS DO HAVE IN COMMON

WITH THE REST OF US.

THEY DON'T LIKE PAYING TAXES.

HATE IT.

FORTUNATELY, THEY RARELY HAVETO.

IT'S THE SUBJECT OF TONIGHT'S --OH, THAT'S NOT, NO.

THAT'S... I DON'T. I DON'T... IDID NOT...

I DID NOT APPROVE THIS, AND IFEEL THAT THIS IS DISRESPECTFUL

IN SOME WAYS.

IT'S ABOUT INVESTIGATING...OKAY.

THAT I DON'T... THAT I DON'T.

LET'S GO WITH THE FIRST ONE, ANDTHEN WE'LL JUST... OKAY.

THAT'S FINE.

[LAUGHTER]ANYWAY, THIS SEASON'S HOT NEW

TAX LOOPHOLE FOR CORPORATIONS, AONCE-OBSCURE TAX DODGE KNOWN AS

THE CORPORATE INVERSION, WHICHSOUNDS LIKE THE BUSINESS

EQUIVALENT OF GENDERREASSIGNMENT, AND IT KIND OF IS.

IT'S A LIBERATING PROCEDURE FORCOMPANIES THAT HAVE BEEN RAISED

AMERICAN BUT KNOW IN THEIRHEARTS THEY'RE REALLY IRISH.

>> TAX INVERSIONS, THAT'S WHERECOMPANIES REINCORPORATE OVERSEAS

SIMPLY TO CUT THEIR U.S. TAXBILLS.

>> ACCOMPANIED BY THE FOREIGNSUBSIDIARY AND THEN

THROUGH THE MAGIC OF PAPERWORKPROCLAIMS ITSELF TO BE A FOREIGN

COMPANY AND OWNED BY THESUBSIDIARY.

>> AT THE BEGINNING OF THE DAY,YOU'RE AN AMERICAN COMPANY.

AT THE END OF THE DAY, YOU'RE ANIRISH COMPANY.

>> Jon: OH SO IT'S LIKE ST.PATRICK'S DAY FOR CORPORATIONS.

[LAUGHTER]EXCEPT INSTEAD OF BEER, THEY

VOMIT PROFIT.

CORPORATE INVERSION IS A WIN-WINFOR EVERYONE.

AND BY "EVERYONE," I MEAN ONLYTHE CORPORATIONS AND THEIR

SHAREHOLDERS.

CONGRESS ESTIMATES THATINVERSIONS WILL COST THE

TREASURY $19.5 BILLION OVER TENYEARS, BUT FORTUNE MAGAZINE

BELIEVES THAT THAT ESTIMATE ISWAY LOW BECAUSE "FORTUNE"

MAGAZINE IS A COMMUNIST RAG.

[LAUGHTER]HOW DO WE STOP INVERSION?

>> PRESIDENT OBAMA WILL SUPPORTANTI-INVERSION LEGISLATION.

THE LEGISLATION WOULD MANDATETHAT COMPANIES MUST BE MORE THAN

50% OWNED BY A FOREIGN ENTITY TOESCAPE U.S. TAXES.

>> Jon: WELL, THAT SOUNDSREASONABLE, AND IF PRESIDENT

OBAMA IS BACKING THAT LAW, IT'SPROBABLY A DONE DEAL.

[LAUGHTER]JUST OUT OF CURIOSITY, THOUGH,

FOR GIGGLES HERE, WHERE DOES THEREPUBLICAN PARTY STAND?

>> WE HAVE THE HIGHEST CORPORATETAX RATE IN THE WORLD.

>> OUR TAX CODE, WHICH IS WHAT'SCAUSING A LOT OF THESE

INVERSIONS...

>> IN A WAY THESE COMPANIES AREECONOMIC REFUGEES.

[LAUGHTER]>> Jon: OH, WELL IF THEY'RE

REFUGEES, WHY DON'T WE JUSTSTICK TO OUR NORMAL POLICY AND

SEND THEM BACK TO WHERE THEYCAME FROM.

OH, WAIT, THAT'S HERE!

[LAUGHTER]BUT OBVIOUSLY BESTOWING REFUGEE

STATUS ON MULTIBILLION DOLLARCORPORATIONS ATTEMPTING TO

MAXIMIZE PROFIT THROUGHGLOBALIZED TAX EVASION IS

ENTIRELY APPROPRIATE.

LET'S MEET ONE OF THESE POORCORPORATE WAIFS,

PENNSYLVANIA'S MYLANPHARMACEUTICAL.

NO, THAT'S AN ACTUAL REFUGEE.ACTUALLY, THAT'S, WELL YOU KNOW

WHAT, LET'S REFUGEE UP THE LOGOA LITTLE BIT AND THEN WE CAN...

OKAY.

GREAT.

THAT'S NICE.

WHERE IS THIS POOR CORPORATIONSEEKING ASYLUM?

>> THIS MONTH MYLAN ANNOUNCEDTHAT IT WOULD INCORPORATE IN THE

NETHERLANDS AS PART OF A TAXINVERSION DEAL.

>> Jon: POOR, GENERIC DRUGCOMPANY.

LIFE WAS SO BAD FOR MYLAN IN THEU.S. THAT IT DECIDED TO GO FROM

PENNSYLVANIA DUTCH TO JUST PLAINDUTCH.

[LAUGHTER]WELL, HERE ARE SOME OF THE

TERRIBLE CONDITIONS THAT MYLANFACED IN THEIR HOME COUNTRY.

MILLIONS OF DOLLARS INOPPRESSIVE TAX CREDITS FOR

THINGS LIKE ECONOMICOPPORTUNITY, FOR THINGS LIKE

INDUSTRIAL EXPANSION, FOR THINGSLIKE MANUFACTURING INVESTMENT,

FOR RESEARCH AND DEVELOPMENT,FOR SOMETHING CALLED "STRATEGIC

RESEARCH AND DEVELOPMENT."

WHICH IS APPARENTLY A WHOLE[BLEEPED] DIFFERENT THING THAN

REGULAR RESEARCH ANDDEVELOPMENT.

WE'RE RUNNING OUT OF ROOM.

SUPER CREDITS AGAINST BUSINESSFRANCHISE TAXES, SUPER CREDITS

AGAINST CORPORATE NET TAXES,EVEN A TAX CREDIT FOR

REHABILITATING AN HISTORICBUILDING.

YES, TAXPAYERS GAVE AMULTIBILLION DOLLAR GENERIC

BONER PILL COMPANY MONEY TOARTIFICIALLY PROP UP AN AGING

STRUCTURE LONG PAST THE POINTTHAT NATURE MEANT FOR IT TO

COLLAPSE TO RUBBLE.

[CHEERING AND APPLAUSE]BY THE WAY, IF THAT BUILDING

STANDS FOR MORE THAN FOUR HOURS,YOU MAY WANT TO, YOU MAY WANT TO

CALL YOUR ARCHITECT.

[LAUGHTER]BUT ALONG WITH TAX CREDITS, THE

OPPRESSIVE AMERICAN REGIME ALSOFORCED MYLAN TO ACCEPT $3

BILLION IN SALES FROM JUST THEV.A. SINCE 2009, ALTHOUGH SINCE

IT'S THE V.A., I ASSUME THOSEWERE FOR AILMENTS FROM THE

'90s.

NOW, WE KNOW HOW CONSERVATIVESFEEL ABOUT INDIVIDUALS WHO TAKE

ADVANTAGE OF GOVERNMENT PROGRAMSTHEY'RE LEGALLY ENTITLED TO.

>> REMEMBER THE SURFER DUDE,LIVES ON FOOD STAMPS, USES YOUR

TAX DOLLARS TO EAT LOBSTER.

>> THIS GUY IS A PARASITE.

>> JUST BECAUSE YOU CAN TAKEADVANTAGE OF A SYSTEM DOESN'T

MEAN YOU SHOULD.

AND I WONDER WHERE HIS PARENTSARE.

[LAUGHTER]>> Jon: I BELIEVE IT'S THE

NETHERLANDS.

[LAUGHTER]WELL, ALL RIGHT, IF THAT'S HOW

YOU FEEL ABOUT PEOPLE WHO TAKETOO MUCH ADVANTAGE OF

ENTITLEMENTS, HOW DO YOU FEELABOUT CORPORATIONS WHO ON A MUCH

LARGER SCALE AND THROUGH MORALLYDUBIOUS YET ENTIRELY LEGAL MEANS

[BLEEPED] OVER THE UNITED STATESGOVERNMENT WHILE STILL ENJOYING

ALL THE INFRASTRUCTURE ANDSECURITY BENEFITS SAID

GOVERNMENT PROVIDES?

>> THE COMPANY IS MORECOMPETITIVE WHEN IT PUTS ITS

LEGAL HEADQUARTERS OVERSEAS. >> IT MAKES NO SENSE

FOR THEM TO PAY A HIGHER TAXBILL IF THEY CAN AVOID IT.

>> THEY HAVE A FIDUCIARYOBLIGATION TO THEIR

SHAREHOLDERS.

>> ABBOTT LAB C.E.O. MILES WHITESAYS ESSENTIALLY THIS IS LEGAL.

KUDOS TO HIM FOR STANDING UP ASA C.E.O. AND TAKING A STAND.

YOU DON'T OFTEN SEE THAT.

>> Jon: OH, KUDOS.

YOU SO RARELY SEE FIDUCH-BAGSLIKE THAT DEFENDING

THE POLICIES THAT MAKETHEIR COMPANIES PROFITABLE.

IT'S LIKE SEEING A UNICORN,STUPID UNICORNS, ALWAYS

EATING YOUR GARBAGE ATNIGHT, SCURRYING ALL

OVER THE SUBWAY, SPREADINGDISEASE AND PESTILENCE.

I MEAN, THAT'S... I'M SORRY.

I'M BEING TOLD I'M BEING TOLDI'M THINKING OF RATS.

THAT'S RATS. I ALWAYSCONFUSE RATS WITH UNICORNS.

THAT'S PROBABLY WHY MYDAUGHTER'S BIRTHDAY PARTY WAS

SUCH A DISASTER.

[LAUGHTER]WOW, WOW, LOOK AT MY LEAN BODY.

DRESSED IN MY TRADEMARK JEANS.

WHEN DOES THIS END?

WHEN, I SAY, GETTING BACK TO THEBIT?

WE ARE CONSTANTLY GIVING IN TOEVERY DEMAND AND WHIM OF

CORPORATIONS.

AND YET THEY'RE STILL NOTSATISFIED.

THEY'LL NEVER BE SATISFIED.

MYLAN WAS PAYING AN EFFECTIVETAX RATE IN THE UNITED STATES OF

16.2% IN 2013.

RATHER THAN THE 35% CORPORATETAX RATE THAT THERE IS.

THEY WERE ENJOYING ENORMOUSGOVERNMENT CONTRACTS, THE

BENEFITS OF OUR NIH RESEARCH ANDDEVELOPMENT AND IT'S STILL NOT

ENOUGH.

THEY JUST WANT AND WANT AND WANTWITH NO CONCERN -- WAIT A

MINUTE.

WHEN WAS THE CITIZENS UNITEDDECISION.

THAT WAS 2010, RIGHT?

THAT EXPLAINS IT.

CORPORATIONS HAVE ONLY BEENPEOPLE FOR LIKE FOUR YEARS.

[LAUGHTER]THEY'RE TODDLERS.

AND BY GIVING IN EVERY TIME THEYTHROW A TANTRUM AND THREATEN TO

RUN AWAY FROM HOME, WE'RESPOILING THESE BASTARDS.

IF WE'RE NOT CAREFUL, THESECORPORATIONS WILL GROW UP FERAL

AND TURN INTOSOMETHING EVEN WORSE.

YEAH. IF WE DON'T START TELLINGCORPORATIONS NO, THEY'RE GOING

TO JUST END UP PEEING IN BUCKETSAND TRYING TO SNEAK MONKEYS INTO

GERMANY.

MAYBE IT'S TIME TO TELLCORPORATIONS, IF YOU WANT TO

LIVE UNDER OUR ROOF, YOU PLAY BYOUR RULES, SO, NO, MYLAN, YOU

CAN'T GO TO HOLLAND.

YOU'RE GROUNDED.

WE'LL BE RIGHT BACK.

[CHEERING AND APPLAUSE][CHEERING AND APPLAUSE]

>> Jon: WELCOME BACK.

FOLKS WE ALL KNOW VIDEO KILLEDTHE RADIOSTAR.

ASK YOUR PARENTS.

[LAUGHTER]BUT HAS THE INTERNET KILLED

NEWSPAPERS?

YES!

OR HAS IT?

JORDAN KLEPPER REPORTS.

>> THE PEOPLE OF ANN ARBOR,MICHIGAN, USED TO HAVE A LOT OF

LOCAL NEWSPAPERS TO CHOOSE FROM,BUT NOW ALL OF THEM HAVE CLOSED

UP SHOP OR MOVED ONLINE, ALLEXCEPT ONE, THE UNIVERSITY OF

MICHIGAN STUDENT-RUN DAILY.

I WENT TO THEIR NEWS ROOM TO SEEIF THEY HAD WHAT IT TAKES TO

SURVIVE.

WHAT DO YOU GUYS THINKJOURNALISM IS?

>> IT MUST BE WELL RESEARCHED.

>> INFORMATIVE.

>> JOURNALISM IS THE ABILITY TOTELL A STORY IN A WAY THAT

EMPOWERS PEOPLE.

>> IS THIS WHAT THEY'RE TEACHINGYOU HERE?

>> UH-HUH.

>> OH, WE ARE SO [BLEEPED].

THEY WERE GOING TO GET CRUSHED.

SEE, KIDS, THE MODERN WORLD OFJOURNALISM IS DOMINATED BY

AGGREGATORS LIKE THESE, THE ONESTHAT KILLED TRADITIONAL PAPERS.

TODAY MEN LIKE FORMER GAWKEREDITOR NEETZAN ZIMMERMAN HAVE

REDEFINED NEWS.

>> IF A PERSON IS NOT SHARING ANEWS STORY, IT IS, AT IT'S CORE,

NOT NEWS.

>> WHAT ADVICE WOULD GIVECOLLEGE STUDENTS STUDYING TO BE

JOURNALISTS.

>> I'D SAY DON'T BOTHER UNLESSYOU'RE LEARNING HOW TO CRAFT

THE PERFECT STORY FOR THE VIRALWEB, YOU'RE PROBABLY NOT GETTING

MUCH OUT OF THAT EDUCATION.

>> REALLY?

>> YES.

NOWADAYS IT'S NOT IMPORTANT IF ASTORY IS REAL.

THE ONLY THING THAT REALLYMATTERS IS WHETHER PEOPLE CLICK

ON IT.

>> YOU GOT THAT, KIDS?

OKAY, PROFESSOR NEETZAN, TIMEFOR JOURNALISM 101.

>> THE MOST IMPORTANT THING ISHAVING A GOOD HEADLINE.

USUALLY YOU'LL START WITH AQUESTION WORD.

YOUR WHAT'S, YOUR WHO'S, YOURWHERE'S.

>> MAYBE A HOW?

>> YEAH.

THEN WORDS THAT CAUSE A PERSONTO STOP AND PAY ATTENTION, SO

YOU'LL USE A THIS OR A THAT.

>> WHAT THIS?

WHO THAT?

>> EXACTLY.

>> HOW LONG DOES IT TAKE DO YOUWRITE A GOOD HEADLINE.

>> MAYBE 15 MINUTES.

>> JUST SITTING THERE FOR 15MINUTES COMING UP WITH THAT

HEADLINE AND THEN MOVING ON.

>> WELL THEN YOU HAVE TO WRITETHE REST OF THE ARTICLE.

>> HOW LONG DOES THAT TAKE?

>> MAYBE FIVE MINUTES.

>> TIME TO SEE IF THESE CUBREPORTERS HAVE THEIR PRIORITIES

STRAIGHT.

>> HEAR THIS SOUND?

THAT'S THE SOUND OF PEOPLELIKING THE THINGS YOU PUT

ONLINE.

READ ME SOME OF YOUR HEADLINES.

>> ACCLAIMED INDY FILMMAKERDONATES WORK TO

UNIVERSITY ARCHIVES.

>> NEXT.

>> NEW GROCERY STORE TO REPLACEKROGER ON SOUTH INDUSTRIAL.

>> MEET THE MAN WITH NO ASSCRACK.

SNEAKY BEAGLE HITS UP CHICKENNUGGETS WHILE OWNER IS AWAY.

>> LOVE IT.

>> SORORITY GIRL GETS BACK ATTWO-TIMING BOYFRIEND BY

[BLEEPED] IN HIS BED.

>> IMPRESSIVE, BUT HE COULD HELPTHIS NEWS ROOM OF FULL OF KIDS

DETERMINED TO WRITE ARTICLESTHAT MATTER.

WELL, LISTEN TO THE ADVICE HEHAD FOR THIS KID ON HOW TO

SPICE UP A BORINGSTORY ABOUT GROUND-BREAKING

ALZHEIMER'S RESEARCH.

>> ALWAYS LEAD WITH SEX IF YOUCAN.

>> ARE WE GOING TO TOUCH ONALZHEIMER'S THING?

>> WHAT WE WANT TO DO ISBRING PEOPLE IN WITH THE BOOBS

AND THE SIDE-BOOB BUT THENHAVE THEM STICK AROUND FOR

THE MORE SERIOUSLY, HARDERSTUFF.

>> GET UP WITH THE TITS AND THENGIVE THEM THE ALZHEIMER'S FOR

DESSERT.

>> EXACTLY.

>> OKAY.

LET'S PUT THAT TO A LAB TEST.

BY INTERVIEWING DR. EVA FELDMAN,ONE OF THE WORLD'S PREEMINENT

NEUROLOGICAL RESEARCHERS.

>> AND IN A PHASE ONE DRUGTRIAL, WHAT YOU...

>> ASK HER ABOUT HER SEX LIFE.

>> I DON'T THINK THAT'SAPPROPRIATE.

>> DO IT.

>> I KNOW THERE'S CAMERAS ANDEVERYTHING, BUT FEEL FREE TO

TALK OPENLY ABOUT ANYTHING INTERMS OF YOUR PERSONAL LIFE OR

THE REPRODUCTIVE HEALTH OF SOMEOF THE STAFF HERE.

THERE HAVE BEEN QUESTIONS ABOUTTHAT IF YOU HAVE ANY INFORMATION

YOU WANT TO SHARE.

>> I DON'T.

>> OKAY.

DIDN'T THINK SO.

>> THESE NERDS DIDN'T GET IT.

TODAY NEWS IS ONLY THE THINGSPEOPLE WANT TO CLICK ON.

DO YOU FEEL THAT WHAT YOU DID ATGAWKER INFLUENCED NEWS?

>> I THINK IT DEFINITELY DIDINFLUENCE NEWS.

I THINK IT REALLY DEPENDS WHICHSTORY YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT.

IF YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT...

>> THIS ZOO ADOPTED A STRAY CATTHAT MADE FRIENDS WITH A LYNX.

>> IMAGINE THAT.

I THINK IT DEFINITELY INFLUENCEDA NEW PERSPECTIVE ON HOW...

>> KATE UPTON ON A TRAMPOLINE.

>> YEAH, THAT SOUNDS, THATSOUNDS GREAT.

>> SORRY.

>> I TELL YOU, IT PROBABLY HASTO A CERTAIN EXTENT.

AGAIN, IT DEPENDS ON...

>> CAN I GET THAT IN THREE WORDSOR LESS?

>> YES, IT HAS.

>> GREAT.

I'LL LEAD WITH THAT.

IT WAS TIME TO GIVE THESESTUDENTS SOME JOURNALISTIC

INSPIRATION.

>> ADORABLE BABY DRESSED AS ADOCTOR.

WHO IS A CLICKABLE BABY?

>> FOR THE EXOTICS DESK, BABYLION.

>> WE'RE NOT INSURED. LET'S GETHIM AWAY FROM THESE PEOPLE.

>> AND WHO WANTS SIDE-BOOB DESK?

[CLICKING]ALL RIGHT. AND

AFTER A FEW EARLY HURDLES -->> WOAH, WHO DID THIS?

>> I DID.

>> THIS IS GREAT.

TAKE A PICTURE OF IT AND PUT ITONLINE.

>> THEY FINALLY STARTED FIGURINGIT OUT.

>>WHAT DO YOU GOT?>> DRONIES.

>> A SELFIE WITH A DRONE?

>> REMEMBER, WHEN THISTHING GETS CLOSE WAVE.

THERE WE GO. ACTUALLY, I DON'TKNOW HOW TO CONTROL...RUN, RUN.

[BLEEPED] AND WHEN THE NEW PAPERFINALLY ARRIVED, THE STUDENTS

COULDN'T DENY THE GENIUS OFNEETZAN'S WAYS.

>> THIS IS GREAT, RIGHT?

>> THIS IS [BLEEPED].

>> NO, KID, THIS IS NEWS.

>> Jon: JORDAN KLEPPER.

WE'LL BE RIGHT BACK.

>> Jon: WELCOME BACK.MY GUEST TONIGHT, AN ACTRESS

HER NEW SERIES FOR SUNDANCE TVIS CALLED "THE HONOURABLE

WOMAN."

>> THEY DON'T WANT YOU TO CHOOSE

A PALESTINIAN.

THEY WANT AN ISRAELI.

>> IT DOESN'T MATTER WHAT ANYONEWANTS, MR. MURAJI.

>> WE WANT YOU TO CHOOSE APALESTINIAN.

>>I WILL CHOOSE WHOEVER BESTPROTECTS THE AIMS AND IDEALS OF

THIS COMPANY.

AND NOTHING YOU OR ANYONE ELSEWANTS WILL AFFECT THAT DECISION.

>> YOU CANNOT CHOOSE AN ISRAELI,NOT AFTER THIS.

>> I'LL CHOOSE EXACTLY WHO IWANT.

>> THEN YOU WILL HAVE MADE AMISTAKE.

>> AND IF I DO, AT LEAST IT WILLBE MINE.

>> Jon: WELL, THAT SEEMS LIKE ANINTERESTING SUBJECT. ALL RIGHT.

PLEASE WELCOME BACK TO THEPROGRAM MAGGIE GYLLENHAAL.

COME ON!

LOOK AT YOU.

HOW ARE YOU?

>> I'M GOOD.

I'M GOOD.

>> Jon: WHAT ARE YOU DOING TOME?

>> SORRY.

I'M SORRY.

LET'S DO IT.

>> Jon: ALL RIGHT.SO WHEN DID YOU START FILMING

THIS THING, THIS, THISMINISERIES?

>> IN 2013.

>> Jon: 2013.>> YEAH.

>> AND YOU PROBABLY THOUGHT TOYOU'RE, WELL, JEEZ WE'RE

GOING TO MAKE THIS AND THENPROBABLY BE OBSOLETE

BECAUSE BY THE TIME IT COMESOUT, THIS WHOLE CONFLICT

WILL BE SOLVED.

>> RIGHT.

RIGHT.

>> Jon: AND PEOPLE WILL SEE ITAS A HISTORICAL DOCUMENT.

>> NO, NOT EXACTLY.

[LAUGHTER]IT WAS A RELATIVELY QUIET TIME

WHEN WE MADE IT, BUT RIGHT,OBVIOUSLY...

>> Jon: RIGHT. WHERE DID YOUMAKE IT?

>> WE MADE IT IN LONDON ANDMOROCCO.

>> Jon: WELL, THAT'S PROBABLYWHY IT WAS QUIETER.

LONDON AND MOROCCO.

>> BUT 2013 WAS QUIET IN ISRAELAND PALESTINE, TOO, QUIETER.

>> Jon: 20 YEARS. IT'S KINDA NOTQUIET.

>> NO, IT'S TRUE.

>> Jon: AND ALSO, YOU KNOW, YOU,YOU, YOU GIVE A SPEECH IN THE

BEGINNING OF IT. YOURCHARACTER GIVES A SPEECH

ABOUT RELATIONS BETWEENISRAEL AND PALESTINE.

AND NO ONE SHOUTS YOU DOWN.

>> ARE PEOPLE GONNA POP UP WHENWE TALK ABOUT IT?

>> Jon: NO, NO, NO. BUT NOBODYSHOUTED YOU DOWN.

AND I THOUGHT, YOU KNOW, IUNDERSTAND ARTISTIC LICENSE, BUT

PUSHING FICTION THAT FAR I THINKREALLY CAN GET YOU IN TROUBLE.

>> YOU KNOW, IT'S FUNNY.

SO FAR ACTUALLY ABOUT THIS SHOW,AND I'VE BEEN TALKING ABOUT IT

FOR A COUPLE WEEKS.

AND I'VE WATCHED YOU SHOW.

I KNOW IT'S BEENCOMPLICATED. AND I,

I HAVEN'T HAD ANYBODY PUSHBACK AT ME AND BE REALLY UPSET.

YOU KNOW, I DON'T KNOW.

I GUESS WE'LL SEE WHAT HAPPENS.BUT I FEEL...

>> Jon: YOU HAVE VERYTHOUGHTFUL FRIENDS.

>> YEAH, I KNOW.

I'M CURIOUS TO SEE WHATHAPPENS.

I THINK THERE WILL BE MOMENTS INIT WHEN PEOPLE THINK WE'VE GONE

TOO FAR...>> Jon: RIGHT.

>> TO ONE SIDE OR TOO FARTO THE OTHER, BUT I THINK

ULTIMATELY, YOU KNOW...

>> Jon: IT'S ABOUTUNDERSTANDING EACH OTHER AND

DRAMATIZING THAT.

>> WELL, IT'S ABOUT LAYING OUTASPECTS OF THE CONFLICT I THINK

AND ASKING THE AUDIENCE TO THINKABOUT IT.

>> Jon: UH-HUH.

>> AND SO FAR, ANYWAY, I MEAN,YOU KNOW, FOUR EPISODES HAVE

PLAYED IN LONDON, AND ACTUALLYTHE FOURTH EPISODE TAKES

PLACE IN GAZA AND PLAYEDLAST THURSDAY.

AND, YOU KNOW, I WAS REALLYCURIOUS WHAT WOULD HAPPEN AND

HOW PEOPLE WOULD RESPOND.

AND I THINK... I DON'T KNOW.

SO FAR, I HOPE IT IS MAKINGPEOPLE THINK AND FEEL.

I DON'T KNOW.

>> Jon: THERE'S SOMETHINGCALLED TWITTER.

I THINK IF YOU CHECK IT, I THINKYOU'LL SEE.

>> YEAH, I KNOW.

>> Jon: LET ME ASK YOUABOUT THE CHARACTER,

BECAUSE I'M ALMOST MOREINTERESTED IN, THOUGH, IN WHEN

YOU'RE MAKING IT, BECAUSE SOMUCH OF THIS IS... WHEN YOU'RE

CREATING SOMETHING ALONG THESELINES, IT'S ABOUT THE

PARTICIPANTS, THE ACTORS, THEWRITERS, THE DIRECTOR DISCUSSING

THESE ISSUES.

I IMAGINE THERE WAS A WIDEVARIETY OF OPINION ON SET.

HOW DID YOU FIND THAT THATMANIFESTED ITSELF?

AND WAS THAT AN INTERESTINGCONVERSATION?

>> I MEAN, I MEAN, I THINK INSOME WAYS THE WAY YOU'RE GOING

IN IS THE RIGHT WAY. LIKEBASICALLY,

WE MADE A PIECE OF ART. ICREATED A CHARACTER.

I TRIED TO CREATE A CHARACTERTHAT I HOPED WOULD SPEAK TO BOTH

SIDES. NOW, MAYBETHAT'S A FANTASY.

BUT I DO THINK IT'S A FANTASYTHAT'S WORTH HAVING,

>> Jon: SURE.

>> THAT'S WORTH EXPLORING,THAT'S WORTH CONSIDERING.

AND, YOU KNOW, ESPECIALLY NOW ATTHIS MOMENT WHERE IT FEELS

IMPOSSIBLE, WHERE IT'S REALLYSCARY TO TALK ABOUT, ESPECIALLY

IN THIS COUNTRY, YOU KNOW, ITHINK, I THINK ART CAN BE ONE

WAY IN TO START TO THINKAND FEEL ABOUT THIS,

NOT THAT IT'S GOING TO,YOU KNOW, SOLVE ANYTHING...

>> Jon: RIGHT.

>> BUT IF YOU CAN, IF YOU CANSHIFT SOMEONE A LITTLE TINY BIT,

IF THERE'S, YOU KNOW, IF YOUHAVE A, IF IT'S TOO SCARY TO

HAVE A CONVERSATION WITH SO MANYPEOPLE BECAUSE IT'S,

PEOPLE GET SO ANGRY ANDSTOP LISTENING, MAYBE, MAYBE

SOMETHING LIKE THIS CAN MAKE YOUFEEL ABOUT IT IN A WAY THAT

MAKES YOU THINK.

>> Jon: IS THAT WHEN YOU FIRSTINVOLVE YOURSELF IN IT, IS THAT

PART OF THE CALCULATION AND THEEQUATION? DO YOU THINK TO

YOURSELF, LIKE, YOU KNOW WHAT,THIS IS, THIS... THIS IS A NICE,

THIS IS A PARTICULARLYFRUITFUL AREA FOR ART TO

DELVE INTO BECAUSE IT'STOUCHING, YOU KNOW, THE MOST

VOLATILE HEART, YOU KNOW,IN SOME WAYS ON THE PLANET.

>> THAT'S WHY I THINK HUGO, WHOIS THE DIRECTOR, WHO IS A

GENIUS, IN MY OPINION, THAT'SWHY HE SET IT HERE ON SOME LEVEL

BECAUSE THERE IS ANIMPOSSIBILITY ABOUT IT.

>> Jon: RIGHT.

>> BECAUSE IT IS THE HEART OFSOMETHING. AND IT, BUT

FOR ME, TO BE HONEST, I GOTINVOLVED AND EMOTIONALLY

ATTACHED TO WHAT'S HAPPENINGTHERE THROUGH MAKING IT.

>> Jon: RIGHT.

>> I KNEW ABOUT AS MUCH AS YOUKNOW IF YOU KIND OF TRY READ THE

NEWSPAPER, LIKE I DO.

I DO MY BEST.>> Jon: RIGHT.

>> I HAVE TWO LITTLE KIDS, ANDI, YOU KNOW, I...

>> Jon: RIGHT.

>> BUT I, I NOW I AMCOMPULSIVELY READING ABOUT IT.

>> Jon: RIGHT.

TRY TO KEEP THE KIDS AWAY FROMTHAT BECAUSE THAT, THAT IS A

TOUGH ONE TO EXPLAIN.

>> THAT IS TRUE.

>> TO THE LITTLE ONES.

WELL, IT'S ALWAYS GREAT TO SEEYOU. NEXT TIME WHAT DO YOU

THINK ABOUT LIKE A KIDS'ANIMATED SERIES? SOMETHING LIKE

THAT. YOU COME BACK AND TALKABOUT THAT FOR A LITTLE?

>> SURE.

>> Jon: MIGHT BE, YOU KNOW...

>> I JUST CAME THE CHALLENGE YOUA LITTLE.

>> Jon: I KNOW.

I LOVE IT VERY MUCH.

"THE HONORABLE WOMAN" PREMIERESON SUNDANCE TV THURSDAY

JULY 31st AT 10:00 P.M., THENEXT EPISODE,

OR THE FIRST ONE HEREIN THIS COUNTRY.

>> THAT'S RIGHT.

>> Jon: YES. MAGGIE GYLLENHAAL,EVERYBODY.

[APPLAUSE]>> Jon: THAT'S OUR SHOW.

JOIN US TOMORROW NIGHT AT 11:00.

HERE IT IS, YOUR MOMENT OF ZEN.

>> EVERYBODY'S TALKING ABOUTINVERSIONS, AS WELL THEY SHOULD,

BUT I'LL TELL YOU WHAT, IF YOULOOK AT IT FROM THE LENS OF

PATRIOTISM, I THINKYOU'RE WRONG.

AND DON'T USE THE WORD"PATRIOTISM" UNLESS IT'S TRULY

PATRIOTIC CONVERSATION.

BACK TO YOU.

>> ALL RIGHT.

THANKS SO MUCH, RICK.

IF ONLY IT WERE THAT EASY.

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