September 17, 2014 - Zephyr Teachout

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The NFL struggles with its image after several cases of domestic abuse emerge, Ebola poses a greater threat than ISIS, and Zephyr Teachout discusses "Corruption in America." 

(CHEERS AND APPLAUSE)>> Jon: WELCOME TO THE -- HELLO.

WELCOME TO THE DAILY SHOW.

MY NAME IS JON STEWART.

WE HAVE A TREMENDOUS PROGRAMFOR YOU TONIGHT.

ZEPHYR TEACHOUT WILL BE OURGUEST, A LAW PROFESSOR, A

GUBERNATORIAL CANDIDATE,TRULY ONE OF THE FINEST-NAMED

GUESTS I BELIEVE WE'VE EVERHAD IN ON THE PROGRAM.

AND I'M EXCITED ABOUT THAT.

SPEAKING OF GOOD NAMES,THAT'S THE SEGUE, THAT IS

THE SEGUE, AND I'M STICKINGWITH IT.

THE NATIONAL FOOTBALL LEAGUE,USED TO HAVE A GOOD NAME.

(LAUGHTER)(CHEERS AND APPLAUSE)

>> Jon: LET ME SAY THIS, A LESSFORGIVING AUDIENCE WOULD HAVE

LEFT BY NOW.(LAUGHTER)

THE NFL, OF COURSE,CURRENTLY GOING THROUGH A

BIT OF AN IMAGE PROBLEM.

>> THE NFL, WE CAN'T TRUSTTHESE INSTITUTIONS.

>> INSTITUTION THAT HAS GOTALL SORTS OF PROBLEMS.

>> THIS HORRIBLE, HORRIBLEINSTITUTION.

>> YOU WILL NEVER FIND AMORE WRETCHED HIVE OF SCUM AND

VILLANY.

>> Jon: NOT SURE THAT LASTPART WAS ABOUT THE NFL, BUT

STILL! NOW WE'VE ALL SEENTHE TAPE OF RAISABLE RAVENS

RUNNINGBACK RAY RICE, ANDWITNESSED THE LEAGUE'S

REACTION.

THE LEAGUE, OF COURSE,DISHED OUT SWIFT, OLD

TESTAMENT STYLE JUSTICE.

IN THE FORM OF A TWO GAMEBAN.

WHICH DUE TO ENORMOUSOUTRAGE AND AN ANOTHER EVEN

MORE EXPLICIT TAPE BECAME ALIFETIME SUSPENSION.

AS WELL AS PERNICIOUS PANTHERSPRO-BALLPLAYER, ACCEPTED AND

NOTED.

GREG HARDY'S CONVICTION ONDOMESTIC VIOLENCE CHARGES

RESULTING IN NO SUSPENSION, ANDTHEN A ONE GAME BENCHING

WITH AN OPTION TO WATCH,FOLLOWED BY THE PANTHERS'S

ANNOUNCEMENT TODAY THAT HEIS DONE UNTIL HE APPEALS HIS

MISDEMEANOR CONVICTION FORDOMESTIC VIOLENCE.

IT'S THE KIND OF FIRMDECISION-MAKING WE'VE COME

TO EXPECT FROM PEOPLEWHO DON'T KNOW WHAT THE

[BLEEP] THEY'RE DOING.

(APPLAUSE)>> BUT DON'T WORRY.

THE NFL HAS FINALLY FIGUREDOUT A SOLUTION TO THEIR

PROBLEMS.

>> THE LEAGUE APPOINTINGFOUR WOMEN INCLUDING A

VICE PRESIDENTOF SOCIAL RESPONSIBILITY TO

OVERSEE ITS DOMESTICVIOLENCE EFFORTS.

AND THREE SENIOR ADVISORS,ONE A FORMER HEAD OF

MANHATTAN'S SEX CRIMES UNIT.

>> Jon: SO WE'RE DONE HERE.

(LAUGHTER)YOU KNOW YOUR BUSINESS MODEL

IS IN ROUGH SHAPE WHEN YOUNEED TO APPOINT YOUR OWN

IN-HOUSE SPECIAL VICTIMSUNIT.

(LAUGHTER)ALTHOUGH I'M SURE SEASON TWO

PROMISES BIG SURPRISES.

THERE YOU GO.

BUT LISTEN, THAT'S GREAT.

THAT'S GREAT.

NOW WE GOT IT ALL TAKEN CAREOF.

AND WE CAN GO BACK GUILT-FREE TOSPENDING THE LORD'S DAY WATCHING

FOOTBALL, THIS REALTIMEEXPERIMENT IN BUMPER BRAINS.

>> STAR RUNNINGBACK ADRIANPETERSON NOW APOLOGIZING

AFTER HE WAS CHARGED WITHCHILD ABUSE.

>> Jon: [BLEEP](LAUGHTER)

NOT FORMER LEAGUEMVP ADRIAN PETERSON FOR WHOM

I MAY HAVE GIVEN UP A[BLEEP] LOAD TO DRAFT IN MY

FANTASY LEAGUE.

(LAUGHTER)GOD!

WELL, I GUESS THE NFL ISGOING TO HAVE TO FORM A

PANEL OF CHILDREN NOW.

I DON'T-- WHAT DO YOU DO?

>> A WARRANT HAS BEENISSUED FOR PETERSON'S

ARREST.

>> THE CHARGES STEM FROMPETERSON PHYSICALLY

DISCIPLINING HIS SON WITH ATREE BRANCH.

>> PETERSON RELEASED ASTATEMENT SAYING I'M NOT A

PERFECT PARENT BUT I AMWITHOUT A DOUBT NOT A CHILD

ABUSER.

>> Jon: YOU BEAT AFOUR-YEAR-OLD WITH A TREE

BRANCH.

HERE'S A TIP.

FOR ANY PRO FOOTBALL PLAYERSOUT THERE, CURIOUS AS TO

WHETHER OR NOT THEY MAY BECHILD ABUSERS.

YOU CAN'T DO SOMETHING TO AFOUR-YEAR-OLD THAT YOU ARE

NOT ALLOWED TO DO TO A 300POUND LINEMAN IN A HELMET

AND PADS.

SO-- (APPLAUSE)

I ASSUME THAT WOULD BE APENALTY.

NOW ONCE AGAIN THE NFL,BASTION OF PERSONAL

RESPONSIBILITY THAT IT IS,RESPONDED THE RIGHT WAY.

>> PETERSON WILL NOT BEPLAYING IN SUNDAY'S GAME

AGAINST THE PATRIOTS.

>> Jon: OH.

ACTUALLY, USUALLY WHEN I SAYTHINGS IN THAT SORT OF

ARCHED TONE, IT MEANS THATTHE OPPOSITE IS ABOUT TO--

(LAUGHTER)>> Jon: OH.

OH.

GOOD FOR YOU, NFL.

>> THE VIKINGS HAVEREINSTATED PETERSON AFTER

BENCHING HIM YESTERDAY.

>> Jon: I KNEW IT!

(LAUGHTER)ARE YOU KIDDING ME?

ACTUAL VIKINGS DON'T TREATTHEIR CHILDREN LIKE THAT.

(LAUGHTER)NOW THIS WOULDN'T HAVE

ANYTHING TO DO WITH THEMETAPHORICAL 30 TO 7 BEATING

THAT THE VIKINGS SUFFERED ATTHE HANDS OF THE PATRIOTS

WHO, I WOULD POINT OUT, WONTHE GAME WITHOUT THE

SERVICES OF THEIR ALLEGEDLYDOUBLE MURDERING TIGHT END

AARON HERNANDEZ.

(LAUGHTER)BUT FINE.

ANOTHER TYPICAL SLIMY NFLMOVE, SWEEPING THIS UNDER --

>> OVERNIGHT THE MINNESOTAVIKINGS REVERSED THEIR

DECISION FROM MONDAY'SREINSTATING ADRIAN PETERSON

AND ARE NOW BANNING THEFOOTBALL STAR FROM ALL TEAM

ACTIVITIES AND ADDING WE WANT TOBE SURE WE GET THIS RIGHT.

>> Jon: YOU WHAT?

WHAT?

(LAUGHTER)YOU NEED TIME TO MAKE SURE

YOU GET THIS RIGHT?

A 220 POUND RUNNINGBACK LEFTA RAILROAD TRACK ON A

FOUR-YEAR-OLD'S LEG.

THIS AIN'T FERMAT'S LASTTHEOREM, WHICH IF I MAY SAY, IS

A NOTORIOUSLY DIFFICULTNUMEROLOGICAL PROOF

CONCERNING INTEGER THEORY --

I'LL JUST GIVE MYSELF A WEDGIE.

(LAUGHTER)DADDY'S HOME.

ALL RIGHT.

SO WHAT --(LAUGHTER)

REALLY, I JUST RE-ENACTED MY7th GRADE YEAR.

THAT WAS-- THAT WAS WEIRD.

AND ODDLY CATHARTIC.

SO WHAT OVERNIGHT INFORMATIONCHANGED YOUR MIND THIS TIME?

>> THE LEAGUE'S BIGGESTPARTNER ANHEUSER-BUSCH SENT

A STRONG MESSAGE SAYING WEARE NOT YET SATISFIED WITH

THE LEGAL'S HANDLING OFBEHAVIORS THAT SO CLEARLY GO

AGAINST OUR OWN COMPANYCULTURE AND MORAL CODE.

>> Jon: WOW.

(LAUGHTER)SO THE NFL SUCCUMBS TO BEER

PRESSURE.

THE COMPANY THAT-- (CHEERS AND APPLAUSE)

OH I KNEW THAT WAS COMING. THANKYOU.

(CHEERS AND APPLAUSE)THANK YOU. THAT'S FOR YOU --

HOW CRAZY IS THIS?

A COMPANY THAT SELLS ALCOHOLIS THE MORAL TOUCHSTONE OF

THE NFL.

ALCOHOL.

MAYBE ONE OF THE ONLYSUBSTANCES THAT IS PROVEN

SCIENTIFICALLY TO INCREASETHE LIKELIHOOD OF DOMESTIC

ABUSE.

THAT COMPANY IS SAYING TOTHE NFL, YOU GUYS GOT A REAL

PROBLEM HERE.

(LAUGHTER)IT'S LIKE CAPTAIN MORGAN SHOWING

UP AT A FRAT PARTY GOINGARRGH MATIES, PLEASE, I'M

TRYING TO SLEEP.

KEEP IT DOWN.

FOR THE MORNING BRINGS ME ANORAL EXAM IN ART HISTORY.

ARRGH.

(LAUGHTER)ARRGH.

ARRGH.

BUT THE QUESTION POPS UP INMY HEAD, WHEN I HEAR ALL

THESE RUNNING AROUND AND THENFL CHANGING THEIR POSITION

AN REDOING IT AND THENCOMING BACK AND NOT KNOWING

WHAT THEY ARE DOING, ITREALLY MAKES ME WONDER.

WHAT DOES A STUPID PERSONMAKE OF ALL OF THIS?

>> I DO BELIEVE ADRIANPETERSON WENT TOO FAR.

I WILL SAY IT AGAIN.

BUT NY PROBLEM HERE IS DOPARENTS HAVE THE RIGHT TO

INSTILL THEIR VALUES INTHEIR CHILDREN.

YOU GUYS WANT TO TELLPARENTS WHAT THEY CAN AND

CANNOT DO.

FOR EXAMPLE, IS IT GOINGTO BECOME ILLEGAL IF A

PARENT TEACHES THEPOLITICALLY CORRECT VIEW

THAT BEING GAY IS NOT NORMAL?(AUDIENCE BOOS)

>> Jon: AH, SEANY. DON'T, DON'TWORRY SEANY.

SERIOUSLY, YOUR SPECIALBRAND OF SPITEFUL IGNORANCE WILL

ALWAYS BE LEGAL.

(LAUGHTER)AND PROFITABLE, SO SLEEP

WELL, FRIEND.

BUT YOU KNOW WHAT?

HANNITIY ARBITRARILYCONNECTED HOMOPHOBIA DOES

REMIND ME OF SOMETHING.

>> THE RAMS HAD TO KNOW THATDRAFTING MICHAEL SAM WOULD

CREATE A DISTRACTION.

>> WELL, THERE IS NO QUESTIONTHIS IS A DISTRACTION.

>> HERE'S SOME OF MICHAEL SAM'SPOTENTIAL TEAMMATES CALLING

THE WHOLE THING ADISTRACTION.

>> Jon: REMEMBER THOSE DAYS?

HOW SCARED THE NFL WAS BACKTHEN, THAT A GAY MAN WOULD

RUIN THEIR LEAGUE.

OOOH!

OH, WHAT THE NFL WOULDN'T DORIGHT NOW FOR THAT KIND OF

DISTRACTION.

(LAUGHTER)MY GUESS IS RIGHT NOW AT THE

NFL'S OFFICE, THEY AREWORKING NIGHT AND DAY, DAY

AND NIGHT ON A LEAGUE-WIDEBLOW A TEAMMATE PROMOTION.

(LAUGHTER)JUST TO CHANGE THE

CONVERSATION.

I TELL YOU, IF THE NFL'S PRGUYS ARE WORTH ANYTHING, AND

THEY'RE NOT, THEY WOULD MAKETHIS THE COVER OF NEXT

YEAR'S MADDEN.

(LAUGHTER)WE'LL BE RIGHT BACK.

>> WELCOME BACK! WE TURN NOW OFCOURSE TO ISIS THE TERRORIST

GROUP CURRENTLY OCCUPYING ALARGE SWATHES OF IRAQ, SYRIA AND

LINDSEY GRAHAM'S NIGHTMARES.

(LAUGHTER)YOU MADE ME STAIN MY FINEST

SHEETS, YOU MONSTERS.

A WEEK AGO PRESIDENT OBAMAANNOUNCED A COALITION TO

DESTROY ISIS.

TODAY ISIS RESPONDED.

>> THE TERRORIST GROUP SENDSA CHILLING WARNING TO THE

UNITED STATES WITH A NEWHOLLYWOOD STYLE PROPAGANDA

VIDEO.

>> SLICKLY PRODUCED VIDEOSEEMS TO DARE AMERICAN

TROOPS TO COME AFTER ISIS INIRAQ.

>> Jon: DID YOU SAY SLICKVIDEO?

I KNEW THEY HAD WEAPONS BUTI DIDN'T KNOW THEY HAD FINAL

CUT PRO!

THIS CHANGES EVERYTHING!

ALL RIGHT, LET'S SEE THIS.

LET'S SEE THIS LITTLE MOVIE YOUPUT TOGETHER THERE.

LET'S SEE THE MOVIE.

I'LL SAY THIS, IF YOU NEVERESTABLISH YOUR CALIPHATE YOU CAN

ALWAYS GET A JOB DOINGGRAPHICS FOR CNN.

WELL, LISTEN, DON'T THINKYOUR LITTLE STUDENT FILM IS

GOING TO SCARE AMERICANSINTO SENDING THE GROUND

TROOPS. I MEAN, LET'S FACEFACTS, YOU'RE A PAIN IN THE ASS.

AND I'M SURE AT SOME POINTYOUR GROUP WILL CAUSE THIS

COUNTRY AND MOST COUNTRIESAROUND THE WORLD HEARTACHE.

BECAUSE THAT'S REALLY THEONLY THING ASSHOLES WITH

WEAPONS KNOW HOW TO DO.

BUT TRUST ME YOU'RE NOT THEBIGGEST THREAT OUT THERE.

>> PRESIDENT OBAMA LAID OUTPLANS FOR 3,000 AMERICAN

TROOPS TO FIGHT THE EBOLAOUTBREAK IN WEST AFRICA.

>> WE'RE GOING TO ESTABLISHA MILITARY COMMAND CENTER IN

LIBERIA.

>> Jon: OH [BLEEP]. 3,000 TROOPSTO FIGHT EBOLA.

OH, WHAT'S THE MATTER, ISIS,JEALOUS?

YOU CAN'T EVEN SEE THIS[BLEEP] AND IT'S UPSTAGING

YOU.

>> THE EPIDEMIC IS GROWINGEXPONENTIALLY AND SUPPLIES

ARE RAPIDLY DWINDLING.

>> WHAT'S AT STAKE ISHUMANITY.

>> Jon: YOU TELL ME WHATSOUNDS SCARY, A BUNCH OF

DIP [BLEEP] IN PICKUPTRUCKS OR SOMETHING THAT WILL

LIQUIDFY YOUR INTERNAL ORGANS IFA LADY SNEEZES ON YOU WRONG

ON YOUR FLIGHT TO TAMPA.

I DON'T ACTUALLY KNOW IF THAT'SHOW IT SPREADS, BUT STILL.

I THINK IT'S PROBABLY NOT SPREADTHAT WAY ALTHOUGH IF YOU WOULD

LIKE TO CHANGE ITS WIKIPEDIAPAGE,

I CERTAINLY CAN'T STOP YOU.

(LAUGHTER)OH, AND HERE'S MORE BAD NEWS,

ISIS.

>> EBOLA JUST RELEASED ITSOWN SLICK VIDEO.

>> FROM THE MONKEYS THATBROUGHT YOU AIDS, DENGUE

FEVER AND FUTURE ENSLAVEMENTCOMES A NEW THREAT.

>> THE OCEANS NO LONGER PROTECTUS.

>> FROM A VIRUS SOTERRIFYING.

>> RISE TO THE OCCASIONBEFORE WE ALL GET KILLED.

>> YOU WILL [BLEEP] YOURPANTS, LITERALLY.

>> 24 HOURS, 36 HOURS, 48HOURS.

EBOLA COMING SOON TO A LUNGNEAR YOU.

(LAUGHTER)>> Jon: NOW THAT'S SOME

[BLEEP] THAT IS GOING TOKILL US ALL.

WE'LL BE RIGHT BACK.

>> Jon: WELCOME BACK, MYGUEST TONIGHT, SHE WAS RECENTLY

A DEMOCRATIC GUBERNATORIALCANDIDATE IN NEW YORK.

SHE IS AN ASSOCIATE PROFESSOR OF

LAW AT FORDHAM UNIVERSITY,HER NEW BOOK IS CALLED

"CORRUPTION IN AMERICA: FROMBENJAMIN FRANKLIN'S SNUFF

BOX TO CITIZENS UNITED."

PLEASE WELCOME TO THEPROGRAM ZEPHYR TEACHOUT.

HELLO! (CHEERS AND APPLAUSE)

>> Jon: THANK YOU FOR JOININGUS.

I WANT TO TALK -- SO THE BOOKHERE, CORRUPTION, HERE'S THE

SURPRISE, IN AMERICA.

I DIDN'T SEE THAT COMING.

YOU, THIS IS A REAL CORE ISSUEFOR YOU.

>> YEAH.>> Jon: YOU HAVE STUDIED THIS,

YOU GET INVOLVED IN THEGUBERNATORIAL RACE IN NEW

YORK AS AN UTTER UNKNOWN.

AND THROUGH THE FORCE OFTHIS ISSUE, THROUGH THE

FORCE OF PUTTING IT IN FRONTOF THE VOTERS YOU NEARLY

OVERTURN WHAT WAS AGUBERNATORIAL DEMOCRATIC

PRIMARY THAT WAS REALLY MORELIKE A CORONATION BEFORE YOU

ARRIVED ON THE SCENE.

>> YEAH, WE ACTUALLY WON OVERHALF THE COUNTIES IN NEW YORK

STATE.

AND I ACTUALLY THINK IT'SREALLY BASIC.

YOU KNOW, PEOPLE WANTPOLITICIANS WHO FIGHT FOR

THEM.

AND THEY DON'T WANTPOLITICIANS WHO ARE FIGHTING

FOR BIG MONEY.

I MEAN, THAT'S THE COREISSUE HERE.

>> Jon: AND SO THEDIFFICULTY THEN BECOMES HOW

DO YOU SEPARATE THE TWO?

AND HAS MONEY BECOME SOENTRENCHED THAT IT'S NOW

THE AIR THAT THEY BREATHEAND THE FOOD THAT THEY EAT.

>> WELL, IT IS TOO CLOSE TOBEING THAT ENTRENCHED.

BUT WE'RE NOT THERE YET.

I MEAN, EVEN OUR CAMPAIGNSHOWS THAT WE ARE NOT THERE

YET.

AND THERE ARE A LOT OF GOODPEOPLE IN POLITICS WHO ARE,

YOU KNOW, FIGHTING THE GOODFIGHT.

BUT IT'S SO TEMPTING TO GETCAUGHT UP IN THAT NET.

IF YOU ARE SPENDING HALFYOUR TIME FUND-RAISING.

>> Jon: RIGHT.

>> I MEAN THAT'S WHO YOUARE.

>> Jon: RIGHT. DID YOU HAVE TO,TO LAUNCH HERE AS A POPULIST

CAMPAIGN, HOW MUCH OF IT DIDEVEN YOU HAVE TO

INVOLVE YOURSELF IN?

>> WELL, AT THE BEGINNING, IMEAN, WE WERE JUST DIGGING

AROUND THE DIRT FOR PENNIES.

LIKE I WAS SPENDING ALL DAYCALLING PEOPLE.

>> Jon: RIGHT.

>> SAYING, YOU KNOW, LOOK,WE HAVE A CHANCE HERE.

THERE'S AN ANGLE.

AND IT'S HARD AND IT'S HARDBECAUSE IT'S SORT OF, IT'S NOT

WHO WE WANT TO BE AS PEOPLE.

>> SURE.>> TO CALL.

>> Jon: BUT IF, SO LET'S SAY INTHAT SITUATION, A BILLIONAIRE

FINANCER OR A BIG UNIONCOMES BY AND THEY SAY TO YOU

I HAVE A LARGE BAG...>> RIGHT.

>> Jon: IT HAS A DOLLAR SIGNPAINTED ON IT.

>> YEAH.

>> Jon: I COULD DROP IT OFF TOYOU.

IF THAT WOULD BE HELPFUL.

WHAT WOULD YOU DO?

>> WELL, I WOULD LIKE TO SAYTHAT I WOULD BE ABLE TO

RESIST THAT.

AND WE EVEN HAD A FEWMOMENTS LIKE THAT.

I MEAN TO BE HONEST, I WOULDTALK TO PEOPLE I CARE A LOT

ABOUT, PUBLIC ED.

I CARE A LOT ABOUT-- YOU KNOW, ISUPPORT TEACHERS UNIONS.

AND WE HAD PEOPLE REALLYSUPPORTIVE OF MY CAMPAIGN

WHO HAD MORE MONEY.

BUT WEREN'T AS EXCITED ABOUTTEACHERS' UNIONS.

AND SO WE WOULD HAVE THESECONVERSATIONS.

IT'S REALLY INTERESTINGBECAUSE IT IS NEVER THIS

EXPLICIT DEAL.

>> Jon: RIGHT.

>> OR MAYBE IT IS SOMETIMES.

>> Jon: BUT ISN'T THAT HOWIT TO YOU BEING DENIED.

>> YES. YEAH. WELL..

>> Jon: THE SUPREME COURT ISDEFINING IT AS TRUE

QUID PRO -- CORRUPTION IS ONLYQUID PRO QUO.

>> RIGHT.

>> I GIVE YOU THIS MONEY IF YOUPROMISE ME YOU WILL DO THIS.

>> YEAH, I MEAN, THE SUPREMECOURT, I THINK, IS JUST SO OUT

OF TOUCH WITH REALITY.

IT DOESN'T MAKE ANY SENSE.

(APPLAUSE)>> Jon: WELL, UNFORTUNATELY

THERE SEEMS TO BE NO SUPPORTFOR THAT SENTIMENT.

BUT NO, CONTINUE.

(LAUGHTER)>> BUT THERE ARE, AND IT DOESN'T

MAKE ANY SENSE.

AND I MEAN, THAT'S PART OFWHAT THE BOOK IS ABOUT.

IS THAT, NOT ONLY DOES IT NOTMAKE SENSE NOW, BUT YOU KNOW,

THROUGHOUT AMERICAN HISTORYFOR THE FIRST 200 YEARS WHEN

YOU SAID CORRUPTION, PEOPLETHOUGHT, INCLUDING THE

SUPREME COURT, OH, YOU MEANALL THE KINDS OF WAYS IN

WHICH MONEY CAN BASICALLYTEMPT PUBLIC, YOU KNOW,

POLITICIANS AWAY FROMSERVING THE PUBLIC.

AND IT'S NOT JUST IN BRIBES...>> Jon: RIGHT.

>> IT'S INCLUDING IN LEGAL WAYS.

AND THE SUPREME COURT NOWSAYS IT IS ONLY IF BASICALLY

I WRITE YOU A CONTRACTSAYING JOHN, WILL YOU PLEASE

MENTION, YOU KNOW, CRESTTOOTHPASTE, OR WHATEVER, IN

THIS OR THAT.

>> Jon: I WOULDNEVER-- ALTHOUGH IT DOES

REALLY POLISH TEETH.

SO WHY THIS CHANGE?

BECAUSE YOU SORT OF CHART ITFROM BEN FRANKLIN'S SNUFF

BOX THAT HE RECEIVES FROMFRANCE WITH DIAMONDS IN IT.

>> YEAH.

>> Jon: AND HOW THAT REGISTEREDAS CORRUPTION BACK IN THE DAY.

AND HOW THIS SUPREME COURTHAS NARROWED THAT

DEFINITION.

>> YEAH, I REALLY try -- I SPENTA LOT OF TIME TRYING TO

FIGURE THIS OUT.

LIKE HOW DID THEY GET SO OUTTO LUNCH ON THIS.

>> Jon: RIGHT.

>> AND I THINK SOME OF IT ISTHAT WE DON'T HAVE ENOUGH

POLITICIANS ON THE COURT ANYMORE.

THAT MAY SEEM SORT OFPERVERSE.

BUT LIKE TAFT...>> Jon: RIGHT.

>> NOW TAFT UNDERSTOODMONEY AND POLITICS.

SO WHEN A MONEY AND POLITICSCASE CAME TO HIM HE SAID WE

HAVE A REAL THREAT OFCORRUPTION RIGHT HERE.

AND RIGHT NOW THE MODERNCOURT IS MOSTLY ACADEMICS AND

APPELLATE COURT JUSTICES.I THINK THAT'S PART OF IT.

PART OF IT IS THEY DON'TACTUALLY, YOU KNOW, THEY'RE NOT,

THEY'RE NOT MAKING THEIRDECISIONS BASED ON FACTS.

JUST-- BUT NO, BUT -->> SURE, OKAY.

>> BUT IN CITIZEN'S UNITEDAND IN McCUTCHEN, THESE TWO

RECENT CASES, THEY ACTUALLYDIDN'T BUILD, YOU KNOW,

WHAT WE CALL A RECORD.

THEY DIDN'T LISTEN TOCONGRESS MEMBERS TALK,

LISTEN TO POLITICIANS TALK.

BECAUSE IF YOU TALK TOPOLITICIANS THEY WILL ALL TELL

YOU WHAT IS WRONG.

>> Jon: RIGHT. BUT THAT'S THEPOINT.

YOU KNOW, WE TALKED ABOUT ALITTLE BIT, BACKSTAGE, THE

CORRUPTING INFLUENCE OF HAVINGTO SPEND FOUR TO SIX HOURS A

DAY FUND-RAISING, FORGET ABOUTTHE QUID PRO QUO OF WHAT

THEY MAY WANT YOU TO DO.

HOW DOES ONE GOVERN, HOWDOES ONE DO THEIR JOB WHEN

SO OF OF THEIR JOB ISSPENT SEARCHING FOR MONEY.

>> IT'S REALLY HARD TO DO.

AND THE OTHER PART OF YOURJOB AS A POLITICIAN IS TO

LISTEN.

IS TO SORT OF BEAR WITNESSTO PEOPLE'S LIVES AND THEN

LEAD AND THEN LEARN FROMTHAT.

AND THERE'S NO TIME FOR THATAND FUND-RAISING AND

GOVERNING.

AND THESE ARE ALL PARTS OF,YOU KNOW, THE INITIAL

AMERICAN IDEA, WHICH I'MVERY ATTACHED TO.

>> Jon: RIGHT.

>> BUT THE GOOD NEWS IS WE CANDO THINGS ABOUT IT.

>> Jon: OH MY GOD, THAT'S ANUNBELIEVABLE SEGUE.

WHY DON'T I THROW TO COMMERCIAL,AND THEN WHEN WE COME BACK

ON THE WEB, YOU WILL TELL USWHAT WE CAN DO ABOUT IT.

BECAUSE IT DOES SEEM ATTIMES, YOU KNOW, I THINK

PEOPLE LOSE HEART.

I THINK THEY SEE THAT EVENTHE PEOPLE THAT THEY REALLY

RESPECT AND THEY REALLY LOVEFALL PREY TO THIS LARGE

MONEY INFLUENCE.>> YEAH.

>> Jon: SO WHEN WE COME BACKWE'LL TALK ABOUT THAT.

THE BOOK GIVES AN INCREDIBLYDETAILED AND I THINK VERY

WELL THOUGHT OUT EXPLANATIONOF THE WHOLE SITUATION.

"CORRUPTION IN AMERICA," IT'S ONTHE BOOK SHELVES NOW,

ZEPHYR TEACHOUT.

(APPLAUSE)>> THAT'S OUR SHOW, JOIN US

TOMORROW NIGHT AT 11:00,HERE IT IS YOUR MOMENT OF

ZEN.

>> ALL THE PEOPLE THAT HAVEUSED SWITCHES OVER THE YEARS

AND USED BELTS, WHAT ARE WEGOING ARREST THEM ALL?

>> I GOT HIT WITH A STRAP, BAM,BAM, BAM, BAM, AND I'VE NEVER

BEEN TO A SHRINK.

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