August 27, 2014 - Hassan Abbas

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ISIS looks to establish a caliphate, Samantha Bee comes up with ways for Michael Sam to succeed in the NFL, and Hassan Abbas discusses "The Taliban Revival." 

>> Jon: HEY.

WELCOME TO "THE DAILY SHOW."

MY NAME IS JON STEWART. VERYEXCITED.

>> [AUDIENCE CHEERING] STEWART,STEWART, STEWART!

>> Jon: IT'S VERY KIND TO DOWHATEVER IT IS YOU WERE DOING

THERE. TONIGHT'S GUEST,HASSAN ABBAS, HERE TO TALK ABOUT

HIS NEW BOOK "THE TALIBANREVIVAL," WHICH IS REALLY

ONE OF THE WORST BROADWAYREVIVALS THAT'S COME OUT.

I KNOW WHAT YOU'RE PROBABLYTHINKING THERE, TALIBAN?

WHAT THE WHO? THEY WENT OUT OFSTYLE.

THAT'S TEN YEARS OLD.

ISN'T THERE A HIPPER,MORE-WITH-IT MILITANT

FUNDAMENTALIST ISLAMIC TERRIBLETHREAT FOR TODAY'S GENERATION?

>> ISLAMIC EXTREMISTS KNOWN ASISIS.

>> Jon: OH.

[LAUGHTER]FIRST RULE OF EVIL, TRY NOT TO

HAVE YOUR ACRONYM REMIND PEOPLEOF '70s LIVE ACTION CHILDREN'S

TELEVISION SHOWS.

[APPLAUSE]YES, WE ARE TAKING OVER YOUR

TOWN. FROM NOW ONEVERYONE REPORTS TO ME!

CAPTAIN KANGAROO.

DOESN'T WORK.

LISTEN, OBVIOUSLY ALL WE SEEM TOKNOW ABOUT THIS GROUP RIGHT NOW

IS THEY DO INCREDIBLY EVIL[BLEEPED].

THEY ARE TERRIBLE PEOPLE.

BUT WHO ARE THEY?

>> EMERGING FROM THE CHAOS NEXTDOOR IN SYRIA, THE EXTREMISTS

CALL THEMSELVES ISIS FOR THEISLAMIC STATE OF IRAQ AND SYRIA.

>> Jon: PRETENTIOUS.

[LAUGHTER]WHAT ELSE DO WE KNOW?

>> ISIS CAPTURED MILITARYDEPOTS, EQUIPMENT AND WEAPONS.

>> THEY LEARNED HOW TOSELF-FINANCE.

>> THEY USE SOCIAL MEDIA AS AWEAPON.

>> Jon: I GOT NEWS FOR YOU,EVERYBODY USES SOCIAL MEDIA AS A

WEAPON.

[LAUGHTER]THAT'S WHAT IT'S FOR.

WHAT ELSE?

>> MOST-FEARED TERRORISTS IN THEWORLD.

>> THIS TERRORIST ARMY.

>> SEIZING CONTROL OF CITYAFTER CITY.

>> WE'VE NEVER SEEN ANYTHINGLIKE THIS.

>> THIS IS AL QAEDA TIMES TWO.

>> EVEN AL QAEDA SAYS ISIS ISTOO VIOLENT.

>> THEY'RE BLOODTHIRSTY RADICALISLAMIC JIHADISTS.

>> ISIS IS PURE EVIL.

>> ISIS IS LIKE A CANCER.

>> LOOKS LIKE THEY'REUNSTOPPABLE.

[LAUGHTER]>> Jon: SO THAT'S IT.

I GUESS WE'RE DONE THEN.

UNSTOPPABLE, HUH?

WE'RE NOT EVEN GOING TO TRY,RUSSIA, CHINA, U.S., GET THE

AVENGERS TOGETHER? THAT'S IT?

IT'S JUST, ARE WE GOINGTO DO ANYTHING?

>> U.S. AIR STRIKES HAVEALREADY HIT ISIS HARD IN IRAQ.

>> THE U.S. CONDUCTED TWO MOREAIR STRIKES IN IRAQ AGAINST ISIS

TARGETS TUESDAY, PUTTING THENUMBER AT 98 STRIKES THIS MONTH.

>> Jon: OH, AIR STRIKES.

[LAUGHTER]AMERICA'S ANSWER TO REALLY ANY

PROBLEM IT SEEMS.

AIR STRIKES ARE LIKE FOR AMERICACLUB SODA.

OH, YOU GOT A LITTLE STAIN ONYOUR SHIRT THERE?

TRY A LITTLE AIR STRIKES.

YOUR STOMACH UNSETTLED?

YOU KNOW, AIR STRIKES WILL FIXYOU RIGHT UP THERE.

AN EVIL, UNSTOPPABLE GROUP?

REMEMBER, THESE GUYS AREUNSTOPPABLE.

[CHEERING AND APPLAUSE]UNSTOPPABLE.

AIR STRIKES AREN'T REALLY GOINGTO CUT IT, ARE THEY?

>> GENERAL MARTIN DEMPSEYINDICATED LAST WEEK ISIS COULD

NOT BE DEFEATED OR CONTAINEDSIMPLY USING AIR STRIKES IN

IRAQ.

>> MOST OF THE MILITARY EXPERTSSAY YOU HAVE TO GO INSIDE SYRIA.

>> COULD YOU SEE AS CRAZY AS ITMIGHT SOUND, SOME SORT OF COVERT

COOPERATION BETWEEN THE U.S. ANDTHE SYRIAN REGIME OF PRESIDENT

BASHAR AL-ASSAD IN DAMASCUS?

>> Jon: YOU KNOW, IT IS[BLEEPED] LIKE THIS THAT

MAKES YOU ALMOST REGRET USDESTABILIZING THE REGION IN THE

FIRST PLACE.

[LAUGHTER]I GUESS NOW IN SOME RESPECTS...

[CHEERING AND APPLAUSE]I GUESS NOW... I GUESS NOW WE

FIND OURSELVES TRAPPED BETWEENIRAQ AND ASSAD PLACE.

[CHEERING AND APPLAUSE]THANK YOU.

I WROTE THAT.

THANK YOU SO MUCH.

THANK YOU SO MUCH.

WE'LL BE RIGHT BACK AFTER... NO?

WE'RE NOT.

ALL RIGHT.

I THOUGHT THAT WAS KIND OF ANENDER.

NO?

ALL RIGHT.

[LAUGHTER]SO WHO ARE THESE GUYS?

>> 33-YEAR-OLD DOUGLASMcARTHUR McCAIN HAD GONE TO

SYRIA TO JOIN THE ISIS JIHAD.

>> Jon: McCAIN!

[LAUGHTER]SO WAIT A MINUTE.

THEY'RE RECRUITING AMERICANS?

>> HE GREW UP IN MINNESOTA, ANDNOTHING ON HIS FACEBOOK PAGE

HINTS WHY HE DECIDED TOSACRIFICE HIS LIFE FOR JIHAD.

McCAIN'S LIKES INCLUDED PIZZAHUT, THE CHICAGO BULLS AND THE

QURAN.

>> Jon: SO ISIS IS ANUNSTOPPABLE FORCE OF EVIL THAT'S

BEEN USING THINGS LIKE YOUTUBETO RECRUIT HUNGRY CHICAGO BULLS

FANS TO FIGHT FOR THEM.

BUT FOR WHAT PURPOSE?

>> A MUSLIM CALIPHATE, A SINGLEISLAMIC STATE.

>> EVERYTHING ABOUT THE CALIPH'SOUTFIT IS MEANT TO EVOKE THE

EARLY ISLAMIC EMPIRE.

>> Jon: SO, THEY WANT ACALIPHATE, MUCH LIKE THE EMPIRE

RULED BY THE UMAYYADS'S IN THESEVENTH AND EIGHTH CENTURIES.

I HOPE YOU NOTIFIED YOURRECRUITS THAT LIFE IN THE

CALIPHATE WILL BE LESS PIZZA HUTAND MORE HUT.

[LAUGHTER]BUT SETTING ASIDE THE HISTORICAL

AUTHENTICITY OF ISIS METHODS,WHY EXACTLY DO YOU EVEN WANT

YOUR OWN COUNTRY?BECAUSE WHILE YOU SEEM QUITE

ADEPT AT THE DEPRAVED KILLINGPART,

ARE YOU REALLY PREPARED TO DOTHE LITTLE THINGS YOU NEED TO DO

TO RUN A FUNCTIONING STATE.

>> THEY PROVIDE SOME MODICUM OFLAW AND ORDER.

>> FOOD KITCHENS AND FIXING POTHOLES.

>> THEY'RE CHARGING CUSTOMS.

>> THEY HAVE THEIR OWN COURTS.

>> THEY'RE ISSUING LICENSEPLATES.

>> ISIS MILITANTS NOW DIRECTTRAFFIC.

>> Jon: OH, YOU'RE DIRECTINGTRAFFIC.

THAT MUST BE SO HARD IN A CITYWITH EIGHT CARS LEFT.

[LAUGHTER]YOU KNOW, I WOULDN'T BE SO PROUD

OF ACCOMPLISHING A JOB WHERE YOUCOULD BE REPLACED BY A COLORED

LIGHT, ALL RIGHT?

HERE'S A QUESTION FOR YOU, GUYSWHO WANT TO ESTABLISH THEIR OWN

STATE, WHO IS GOING TO PAY THATGUY'S PENSION?

HOW ARE YOU GOING TO RAISE MONEYTO MAINTAIN THOSE ROADS?

OH, YOU CAPTURED SOME OIL WELLS.

GREAT. NOW YOU'VE GOT TO BUILDUP A BUREAUCRACY TO PUMP THAT

OIL, REFINE IT.

AND WHAT IF THERE IS A SPILL?

YOU THINK YOU'RE RADICAL ANDDETERMINED.

HAVE YOU MET ENVIRONMENTALISTS?

AND THAT'S NOT TO MENTION ALLTHE RESOURCES YOU GOT TO SPEND

KEEPING YOUR PEOPLE HAPPY.YOU'RE GOING TO HAVE TO BUILD

PARKS, A ZOO, YOU'REGOING TO HAVE TO TRY TO HOST THE

OLYMPICS, WHICH EVEN IF YOUGET, YOU'RE GOING TO JUST SPEND

BILLIONS OF DOLLARS TO END UPWITH A BUNCH

OF SKATING RINKS YOU'RE NEVERGOING TO USE AGAIN, ESPECIALLY

AFTER YOU OUTLAW SKATING BECAUSEYOU'RE [BLEEPED] CRAZY.

AND REMEMBER ALL YOUR FIGHTERSIN THOSE PICK-UP TRUCKS?

WELL, IN 20 YEARS, GUESS WHAT,THEY'LL BE FILLING THE WAITING

ROOMS IN YOUR DYSFUNCTIONAL V.A.

LET'S SEE HOW MUCH FUN YOU GONNAWHEN YOU HAVE TO TERRORIZE A

NINE-MONTH BACKLOG BY HANDBECAUSE ONE COMPUTER'S

DEPARTMENT DOESN'T TALK TOANOTHER COMPUTER'S DEPARTMENT.

THAT'S RIGHT, ISIS, LOOK ATUS, TAKE A GOOD LOOK AT US.

WE'RE LIVING YOUR DREAM.

[LAUGHTER]WE'RE THE MOST POWERFUL STATE IN

HISTORY.

WE INFLUENCE THE WHOLE WORLD,AND ALL WE TALK ABOUT IS HOW

EVERYTHING SUCKS NOW.

HOW MUCH HAPPIER WE WERE IN THEOLD DAYS WHEN WE WERE TOOLING

AROUND ON HORSES, TAKING POTSHOT AT REDCOATS.

NO RESPONSIBILITIES. WE COULDSPEND ALL NIGHT JUST THROWING

TEA INTO A HARBOR.

BUT, YOU KNOW WHAT CAME AFTERTHAT?

TWO HUNDRED YEARS OF [BLEEPED]PAPERWORK.

THAT'S RIGHT.

AND BY THE WAY...

[CHEERING AND APPLAUSE]BY THE WAY, OF ALL THE PLACES TO

BUILD A NEW GOVERNMENT, GREATJOB PICKING THE ONE REGION WHERE

THEY GO THROUGH REGIMES LIKEPRINGLES.

BECAUSE PRETTY SOON YOU'RE GOINGTO DO SOMETHING THAT'S GOING TO

PISS PEOPLE OFF ENOUGH THATTHEY'LL TAKE ARMS UP AGAINST

YOU.

AND THEN SUDDENLY YOU HAVE YOUROWN INSURGENCY TO DEAL WITH.

AND YOU'RE GOING TO HAVE THEMAKE SOME TOUGH CHOICES ABOUT

WORKING WITH PEOPLEYOU DON'T LIKE.

AND GUESS WHAT?

IT'S PROBABLY GOING TO BE US.

SO IF THAT SEEMS GREAT, GO FORIT.

AND IN 20 YEARS WHEN YOU COMECRYING NO US, OH, NO, MY

POLARIZED GOVERNMENT CAN'T AGREEON A LONG-TERM SOLUTION FOR OUR

FISCAL POLICIES, THEN ALL WE'LLHAVE TO SAY TO YOU IS THIS:

WELCOME TO THE [BLEEPED] CLUB.

WE'LL BE RIGHT BACK.

[CHEERING AND APPLAUSE]>> WELCOME BACK TO THE SHOW.

JOIN ME NOW, JOIN ME NOW AS IATTEMPT PERHAPS THE

GREATEST FEAT KNOWN TO MODERNFAKE NEWSCASTING.

I'M ABOUT TO REPORTA NON-DEPRESSING STORY ABOUT A

YOUNG BLACK MAN IN THE AREA OFST. LOUIS, MISSOURI.

MICHAEL SAM, YESTERDAY HE TOOKONE STEP CLOSER TO BECOMING THE

FIRST OPENLY GAY MAN TO PLAY AREGULAR SEASON NFL GAME.

HE ADVANCED TO THE ST. LOUISRAMS 75-MAN ROSTER.

OF COURSE, ESPN HAS BEENCOVERING HIS PERFORMANCE EVERY

STEP OF THE WAY.

>> HOW IS HE FITTING IN WITH HISRAMS TEAMMATES SO FAR?

>> WELL JAY, DEFENSIVE TACKLEKENDALL LANGFORD SAID THAT

MICHAEL SAM IS JUST SIMPLYONE OF THE GUYS. BUT ANOTHER

RAMS DEFENSIVE PLAYER TOLD METHAT, "SAM IS RESPECTING OUR

SPACE AND THAT FROM HISPERSPECTIVE HE SEEMS TO THINK

THAT MICHAEL SAM IS WAITING TOKIND OF TAKE A SHOWER AS

NOT TO MAKE HIS TEAMMATES FEELUNCOMFORTABLE."

[LAUGHTER]>> Jon: WHY WOULD HIS

TEAMMATES FEEL UNCOMFORTABLESHOWERING WITH MICHAEL SAM?

DOES HE USE AXE GARLIC ANDROTTEN EGG BODY WASH?

DOES MICHAEL SAM HAVE A KUATO?

TO BE HONEST WITH YOU, I DIDN'TREALLY KNOW WHAT IT WAS EITHER.

[LAUGHTER]MICHAEL SAM'S GAY.

ARE WE NOT OVER THIS YET?

>> NOW WHILE LANGFORD TOLD ME,"LISTEN I HAVE NOT BEEN IN THE

SHOWER AT THE SAME TIME ASMICHAEL SAM, HE SAID THAT THERE

DEFINITELY COULD BE A MILLIONREASONS AS TO WHY THAT IS.

HE SAID HE COULD BE DOING EXTRAWORK ON THE PRACTICE FIELD.

HE COULD BE RIDING HIS BIKE, HECOULD BE DOING EXTRA CARDIO."

>> Jon: YES, THOSE ARE ALL THEMOST LIKELY THINGS A FOOTBALL

PLAYER MIGHT BE DOING, BUT HECOULDN'T HE ALSO BE SINGING SHOW

TUNES OR BINGE WATCHING BRAVO.

ESPN VIEWERS NEED TO KNOW.

FOR MORE LET'S JUST GO OUT TOSENIOR SPORTS CORRESPONDENT

SAMANTHA BEE. SAMANTHA BEE LIVE.

[CHEERING AND APPLAUSE]LIVE AT RAMS' TRAINING CAMP

OUTSIDE OF ST. LOUIS.SAMANTHA, THE FINAL CUT TO 53

PLAYERS IS GONNA BE ONSATURDAY.

>> YES.

>> Jon: HOW ARE MICHAEL SAM'SPROSPECTS TO MAKE THIS TEAM?

>> WELL JON...>> Jon: WHAT'S BEEN HAPPENING?

>> JON, I HATE TO SAY IT, BUT ITSOUNDS LIKE SAM IS IN TROUBLE.

>> Jon: NOW, YOU DON'T THINKHE'S GOING TO MAKE THE TEAM?

HAS HE BEEN PLAYING LESS WELLTHAN HAS BEEN REPORTED?

>> NO, NO, NO, NO.

HIS WORK ON THE LINE HAS BEENGREAT, BUT HE'S BEEN MAKING HIS

TEAMMATES VERY UNCOMFORTABLE.

>> Jon: WELL, ACTUALLY THEYSAID HE'S BEEN RESPECTING THEM.

HE HASN'T BEEN SHOWERING WITHTHEM.

>> NO, NO, NO.

IN FACT, HE HASN'T BEEN GETTINGNAKED AROUND THEM AT ALL.

JON, THERE'S BEEN NO GRAB-ASS,NO DICK SNAPS, NO BALL CUPPING,

NONE OF THE LOCKER ROOM BEHAVIOROF NORMAL, HETEROSEXUAL NFL

PLAYERS.

[CHEERING AND APPLAUSE]>> Jon: I KNOW THE LOCKER ROOM

CAN GET A LITTLE, YOU KNOW,WHATEVER THERE, THE GRAB-ASSY

CULTURE.

IT'S NOT THAT BAD, THOUGH.

>> OH, IT ISN'T, JON?

WELL, I HAPPEN TO HAVE A COPY OFTHE 2008 NFL EXPOSE, "BOYS WILL

BE BOYS."

DO YOU REMEMBER CHARLES HAYLEY?

>> Jon: NO, I DON'T, ALINEBACKER FOR THE 49ers,

TWO-TIME NFC DEFENSIVE PLAYER OFTHE YEAR, MORE THAN 100 CAREER

SACKS.

>> YEAH. HAYLEY WOULD STROLL UPTO AN UNSUSPECTING TEAMMATE,

WHIP OUT HIS PHALLUS ANDREPEATEDLY STROKE IT IN HIS

FACE. A PHALLUS IS A [BLEEPED],JON.

>> Jon: I'M FAMILIAR WITH THETERM.

>> HE WOULD WRAP HIS HAND AROUNDHIS PENIS, TURN TOWARD JOE

MONTANA AND BELLOW, "YOU KNOWYOU WANT TO SUCK THIS."

>> Jon: THAT IS OUTRAGEOUSBEHAVIOR.

>> UH-HUH.

>> Jon: JOE MONTANA LED THE49ers TO FOUR SUPER BOWL WINS.

CHARLES HAYLEY SHOULD BE SUCKINGHIS [BLEEPED].

>> OKAY.

OKAY.

OKAY, JON.

YOU KNOW WHAT, REASONABLE PEOPLECAN DISAGREE ABOUT WHICH TOTALLY

STRAIGHT PRO FOOTBALL PLAYERSHOULD BE BLOWING THE OTHER.

THE POINT IS: IF MICHAEL SAMWANTS TO FIT INTO THE NFL, HE

BETTER CUT THE SHY ACT AND GAYIT UP.

>> Jon: SO YOU THINK HE SHOULDBE SHOWERING WITH THE TEAM.

>> OH, MY GOD, YES, AND THENWHEN THEY'RE DRYING OFF,

SNEAKING UP BEHIND THEM ANDPUTTING HIS WET DICK IN THEIR

EAR, YOU KNOW, HETERO STYLE.

>> THANK YOU VERY MUCH FOR THEREPORT, SAM

SAMANTHA BEE, EVERYBODY.

[CHEERING AND APPLAUSE]>> Jon: WELCOME BACK TO THE

PROGRAM.

MY GUEST TONIGHT IS PROFESSORAND CHAIR OF THE REGIONAL

STUDIES DEPARTMENT AT NATIONALDEFENSE UNIVERSITY.

HIS NEW BOOK IS CALLED "THETALIBAN REVIVAL: VIOLENCE AND

EXTREMISM ON THEPAKISTAN-AFGHANISTAN FRONTIER.

PLEASE WELCOME TO THE PROGRAMHASSAN ABBAS.

HELLO, SIR.

NICE TO SEE YOU AGAIN.

THANK YOU FOR JOINING US.

>> THANK YOU VERY MUCH.

>> Jon: THANK YOU FOR BEINGHERE.

THE BOOK IS CALLED "THE TALIBANREVIVAL."

I THINK IT MUST HAVE OBVIOUSLYBEEN PRINTED IN ERROR BECAUSE

I'M PRETTY SURE WE TOOK CARE OFTHESE GUYS.

I'M PRETTY SURE WE WENT TOAFGHANISTAN.

SO THEY'RE ACTUALLY DONE NOW.

THEY'RE ACTUALLY GONE.

>> WE THOUGHT SO.

THAT WAS WHAT WE THOUGHT SHOULDHAVE HAPPENED...

>> Jon: YES.>> BUT THAT'S NOT THE STORY.

WE THOUGHT THAT AFTER THE 9/11TRAGEDY AND THE WAY THE U.S.

FORCES WENT IN THAT WE WOULDGO AND JUST THROUGH BOMBING

AND JUST THROUGH MILITARYKINETIC ACTION, WHICH WAS

IMPORTANT, BUT THERE WAS MORESPACE THAT THEY HAD GAINED.

THEY HAD MORE POWER, AND THEYHAD MORE IDEAS THAT WE NEVER

THOUGHT WOULD BE THERE.

>> Jon: BUT WE ALSO... YOU KNOW,WE SPENT AN AWFUL LOT OF TIME IN

A SORT OF HEARTS AND MINDS,NATION-BUILDING MODE, AS WELL.

I MEAN, IN AFGHANISTAN, IN IRAQ,TEN YEARS, 12 YEARS, 14 YEARS,

BILLIONS OF DOLLARS.

HAS THAT BEEN FOR NAUGHT?

>> NO.

THAT WAS A VERY IMPORTANTCONTRIBUTION, BUT IN SOME CASES

WE THOUGHT WE'D BE ABLE TO ATTIMES MICROMANAGE.

WE ALSO THOUGHT, AND WHEN I SAY"WE," THE INTERNATIONAL

COMMUNITY, WE THOUGHT THAT WECOULD JUST INTRODUCE THE IDEA OF

DEMOCRACY AND FREEDOM ANDLIBERTY AND THE OTHERS WOULD BE

WILLING TO TAKE IT.

THEY WERE GOING THROUGH ATERRIBLE PHASE OF WAR FOR TWO OR

THREE DECADES.

AND WE WENT ONLY FOR ENHANCINGTHEIR CAPABILITY TO FIGHT

TERRORISM THROUGH KINETIC MEANS.FOR INSTANCE, IT WAS A LATE

THOUGHT, IT WAS QUITE LATEIN THE GAME THAT WE THOUGHT THAT

AFGHANISTAN NEEDS POLICE ASWELL, THE CIVILIAN LAW

ENFORCEMENT INFRASTRUCTURES,BECAUSE CIVILIAN POLICING IS

LINKED TO THE CRIMINAL JUSTICESYSTEM.

THE CRIMINAL JUSTICE SYSTEM ISLINKED TO THE RULE OF LAW.

THE RULE OF LAW IS LINKED TODEMOCRACY.

THERE'S NO SHORT WAY OR SHORTCUTTO THIS.

SO WE WANTED TO DO WELL.

I TEACH U.S. OFFICERS WHO HAVESERVED IN THAT AREA.

I SALUTE THEM, THEIR DEDICATIONAND COMMITMENT.

BUT IN TERMS OF POLICY, WENEEDED A MUCH MORE

COMPREHENSIVE, WELL-THOUGHT-OUTPROCESS ABOUT EDUCATION, ABOUT

AWARENESS. SO WEHAVE DONE WHAT WE COULD,

BUT TO REALLY TACKLE THIS KINDOF EXTREMISM THAT WE ARE SEEING

IN AFGHANISTAN STILL AND INIRAQ IN THE SHAPE OF ISIS,

THAT REQUIRES A VERY, ITHINK, A MORE COMPREHENSIVE

STRATEGY, INTERNALLY AS WELL ASEXTERNALLY.

>> Jon: BUT IT DOESN'T, YOUKNOW, BY ALL INDICATIONS, THESE

GROUPS, THE TALIBAN, FORWHATEVER THEIR POWER IS,

FOR WHATEVER THEIR REVIVAL,ISIS, THE TALIBAN, THEY DON'T

SEEM TO ENJOY HUGE POPULARSUPPORT AMONGST THE PEOPLE.

THEY SEEM TO RULE THROUGH FEARAND THROUGH VICIOUSNESS AND

DEPRAVITY.

I THINK THE MAJORITY OF PEOPLETHERE JUST WANT TO BE LEFT ALONE

TO LEAD THEIR LIVES.

IT DOESN'T APPEAR SO.

HOW DO YOU FOCUS ON THAT?

>> THAT IS TRUE.

AND THEY HAVE DEVISED GOOD WAYSTO MANAGE THIS.

FOR INSTANCE, THE VERY IDEA OFAL QAEDA, IT WAS NOT ABOUT FOOT

SOLDIERS AND A POLITICAL PARTY.>> Jon: RIGHT.

>> THIS WAS A FEW PEOPLE HADSOME IDEAS BASED ON DISTORTION

OF ISLAMIC PRINCIPLES.

BUT THEN THEY KNEW HOW TO CREATEFEAR. THE WHOLE POLICY,

THE WHOLE VIEW AND THEORY ABOUTTERROR TACTICS, THAT IS TO

OPPRESS, THAT IS TO CONTROL,MANIPULATE, BLACKMAIL.

AND THAT'S WHAT THEY HAVE BEENGOOD AT, BUT I ALSO WANTED TO

SEEM IN MY WAY, AS I WOULDSAY WEARING MY HAT, MY RELIGIOUS

IDENTITY, TO SEE THE KIND OF...TO SEE CHALLENGE TO THIS FROM

WITHIN THE MUSLIM COMMUNITY,WHICH HAS HAPPENED.

AT TIMES WE FORGET ABOUT IT.

AT TIMES WE IGNORE IT.

AT TIMES IT DOESN'T FIT INTO OURMODEL.

BUT THAT HAS BEEN HAPPENING WITHTHE DEGENERATION OF RELIGIOUS

AND POLITICAL HEART, IF I MAYCALL IT THAT,

HAS ALSO BEEN VERY SEVERE.THIS SCOURGE OF

SECTARIANISM, THIS KIND OFBIGOTRY AND RELIGIOUS ZEAL, THAT

THEN ENABLES THESE THUGS

>> Jon: RIGHT.

>> WITH CRIMINAL BACKGROUNDS TODO WHAT THEY WANT TO DO.

I'M SAYING THAT FOR ANYSUSTAINABLE CHANGE,

YOU HAVE TO FOR INSTNACEPICK PARTNERS FROM THE OUTSIDE

IN IRAQ OR IN AFGHANISTAN, PICKPARTNERS WHO NOT WOULD LOOK

AT THEM AS IDENTICAL OF OURS ANDMIDDLE.

WE NEED PARTNERS WHO HAVECREDIBILITY...

>> Jon: RIGHT. >> WHO HAVE SOME

LEVEL OF RESPECT, AND THEYCHALLENGE THEM.

>> Jon: BUT, THIS IS ANINTERESTING POINT THAT YOU

BRING UP, AND IT'S THE ONE THATI CAN'T WRAP MY HEAD AROUND:

WHY IS IT THE UNITED STATES?

WHY CAN'T SAUDI, UAE, ALL OFTHESE GROUPS THAT HAVE MORE

CREDIBILITY IN THAT REGION ANDCERTAINLY IN THE SUNNI WORLD,

WHY CAN'T THEY TAKE THE LEAD INTHIS TYPE OF THING AND DO WHAT

YOU SAY?

MY ASSESSMENT IS THATAUTHORITARIANISM IS AS BAD AS

TERRORISM.

IN SOME OF THESE CASES, I'LL NOTNAME ANY COUNTRIES, BUT THE KIND

OF BIGOTRY THAT WE SEE HAS BEENINSTITUTIONALIZED IN SOME OF

THESE CASES.

FOR US FROM OUTSIDE, WE MUST SEETHE KIND OF INJUSTICES,

OPPRESSION SOME OF THEMINORITIES WITHIN THE MUSLIM

AND NON-MUSLIMS WHO AREFACING ALL THESE CHALLENGES.

>> Jon: RIGHT.

>> THAT THEY REQUIRE ADIFFERENT, DISPASSIONATE LOOK.

IT HAS TO BE MUCH MORECOMPREHENSIVE, AND I'M USING THE

WORD "COMPREHENSIVE" AGAINBECAUSE I HAVE NOT SEEN THAT

HAPPENING.

>> Jon: BUT THEN IT'S A WORLDJOB. IF THIS IS A REGION

TRAPPED BETWEEN AUTOCRACY ANDEXTREMISM, THEN IT'S THE JOB,

I JUST THINK IT'S TOO BIG A JOBFOR ONE COUNTRY.

CAN YOU STICK AROUND? WE'LL GOTO COMERCIAL.

YOU'LL STICK AROUND ANDYOU'LL TELL US HOW TO DO IT.

>> I WOULD LOVE TO.

>> Jon: I DON'T WANT TO GIVEAWAY THE ENDING OF THE BOOK, BUT

DO WE WIN?

>> WE WILL. WE WILL.

>> Jon: "THE TALIBAN REVIVAL" ISON THE BOOKS SHELVES NOW.

HASSAN ABBAS, THANK YOU.

>> Jon: THAT'S OUR SHOW.

JOIN US TOMORROW NIGHT AT 11:00.

HERE IT IS, YOUR MOMENT OF ZEN.

>> WE WANT TO SHOW YOU SOMEVIDEO OF A MAN ACCUSED OF

CHARGES RELATED TO INSIDERTRADING.

HIS NAME, WE TOLD YOU YESTERDAY,MICHAEL LUCARELLI.

WE FIRST TOLD YOU ABOUT THOSECHARGES RIGHT HERE ON

POWER LUNCH. THERE HE GOES. HE'STAKEN OFF.

WE'LL BE FOLLOWING THIS ONE FORYOU AND SEE WHERE IT GOES.

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