February 23, 2011 - Donald Rumsfeld

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Scott Walker falls for a prank phone call, and Donald Rumsfeld recalls the lead up to the Iraq war.

>> Jon: WELCOME TO "THE DAILY

SHOW".

MY NAME IS JON STEWART.

MAN DO WE HAVE A SHOW FOR YOU

TONIGHT!

I CAN'T EVEN TELL YOU HOW

EXCITED I AM FOR TONIGHT'S SHOW.

OUR GUEST TONIGHT JERRY SEINFELD

IS GOING TO --

[LAUGHTER]

SORRY THAT IS DONALD RUMSFELD.

[LAUGHTER]

NOW ALL MY QUESTIONS ARE ABOUT

THE CONTEST.

I DON'T THINK THEY HAD ONE OF

THOSE.

[LAUGHTER]

OR DID THEY?

[LAUGHTER]

TO HE WILL BE ON LATER IN THE

PROGRAM.

OUR TOP STORY TONIGHT THE UNREST

IN THE MIDWEST OUR CONTINUING

COVERAGE OF --

♪ ♪

AFTER EIGHT DAYS OF PROTESTS

OVER WISCONSIN GOVERNOR SCOTT

WALKER'S PROPOSAL TO STRIP STATE

EMPLOYEE UNIONS OF MUCH OF THEIR

COLLECTIVE BARGAINING RIGHTS

WALKER HAS OFFERED, FINALLY, A

COUNTER PROPOSAL.

>> SCOTT WALKER WARNED HE WOULD

LAYOFF 1500 PUBLIC EMPLOYEES IF

HIS PROPOSAL DOES NOT PASS BY

FRIDAY.

>> Jon: OKAY.

[LAUGHTER]

BY SATURDAY,,000 EMPLOYEE --

5,000 EMPLOYEES.

BY SUNDAY HE DECLARES THE RIGHT

OF GOVERNOR TO HAVE SEX WITH ANY

UNION WIFE ON THEIR WEDDING DAY

SAYS -- QUOTE -- "ELECTIONSELECTIONS HAV

CONSEQUENCES."

WHO IS THIS GUY WALKER.

KIND OF FAT CAT BUSTING ATILA

THE HUN -- THAT MAN LOOKS NICE.

THAT CY SIMMS ADVERTISEMENTS OR

WHOEVER GENTILES BUY SUITS, THE

SAME GOVERNOR WHO THREATENS THAT

IF HE DOESN'T GET WHAT HE WANTS

BY FRIDAY, THE STREETS OF

MADISON WILL RUN PINK WITH

SLIPS.

HE ADDRESSED WISCONSIN WITH I'M

SURE THE KIND OF HARD LINE

RHETORIC THAT WILL BELIE HIS

MILD LET'S SAY CHEDDAR LIKE

APPEARANCE.

>> I HAVE GREAT RESPECT FOR

THOSE WHO HAVE CHOSEN A CAREER

IN GOVERNMENT.

I AISLE DO.

>> Jon: I AM GOING TO MAKE A

POINT, I REALLY DO IS A DEAD

GIVEAWAY YOU REALLY DON'T.

THAT IS WHAT IS KNOWN IN THE

BUSINESS AS THE CONVINCING

CLAUSE.

I LOVE YOU, I REALLY DO.

[LAUGHTER]

THAT'S WHY BREAKING UP WITH YOU

RIGHT NOW IS SO DIFFICULT.

[LAUGHTER]

BUT GO ON.

>> IN 1985 WHEN I WAS A HIGH

SCHOOL JUNIOR IN THE SMALL TOWN

OF DELLVIN I WAS INSPIRED TO

PURSUE PUBLIC SERVICE AFTER I

ATTENDED THE AMERICAN LEGION'S

BADGER BOY STATE PROGRAM.

>> Jon: YOU WERE A BADGER BOY?

I WAS A BADGER BOY.

HE WAS A BADGER BOY.

♪ DIG YOU BADGERS TOWARDS THE

LIGHT ♪

[LAUGHTER]

♪ ALWAYS DOING WHAT IS RIGHT ♪

>> SOME QUESTION WHY WE HAVE TO

REFORM COLLECTIVE BARGAINING BARGAINING

BALANCE THE BUDGET.

>> Jon: THAT IS A GOOD

QUESTION, WHY DO YOU HAVE TO

REFORM COLLECTIVE BARGAINING

BECAUSE APPARENTLY THE UNIONS

HAVE MADE THE FINANCIAL

CONSESSIONS YOU ASKED OF THEM SO

LONG AS COLLECTIVE BARGAINING

REMAINS IN TACT.

>> I TRIED TO USE MODEST CHANGES

IN PENSION AND HEALTH INSURANCE

CONTRIBUTIONS AS A WAY OF

BALANCING THE BUDGET.

ON NEARLY EVERY OCCASION THE

LOCAL UNION EMPOWERED BY

COLLECTIVE BARGAIN AGREEMENTS

TOLD ME TO GO AHEAD AND LAY OFF

WORKERS.

THAT IS JUST NOT ACCEPTABLE.

>> Jon: BUT NOW THEY ARE

SAYING THEY'LL MAKE CHANGES TO

PENSION AND HEALTH INSURANCE AND

YOU ARE THREATENING TO LAY

PEOPLE OFF.

AND NOW THAT'S NOT ACCEPTABLE TO

THEM.

THIS IS FREAKING ME OUT!

[LAUGHTER]

BE BESIDES, UNIONS, EVEN IF YOU

ARE STREUPTD OF COLLECTIVE

BARGAINING RIGHTS YOU ARE STILL

WEARING PAPBLTS.

>> IT'S IMPORTANT TOLL --

WEARING PANTS.

>> IT'S IMPORTANT TO REMEMBER

MOST OF THE RIGHTS WE'RE TALKING

ABOUT DO NOT COME FROM

COLLECTIVE BARGAINING, IT COMES

FROM THE CIVIL SERVICE SYSTEM IN

WISCONSIN.

THAT LAW WAS PASSED LONG BEFORE

COLLECTIVE BARGAINING AND IT

WILL CONTINUE AFTER THE PLAN IS

APPROVED.

>> Jon: TO CHANGE THE LAW YOU

WOULD NEED A STATE LAW WILLING

TO GO ALONG WITH IT AND AN

ANTIUNION GOVERNOR.

WHERE ARE YOU GOING TO FIND

DOCTOR OOOH. -- WHERE ARE YOU

GOING TO FIND -- OH.

[LAUGHTER]

WALKER SEEMED STRAIGHTFORWARD,

DIRECT AND GENUINE IN HIS

ADDRESS ON TELEVISION LAST

NIGHT.

LESS SO WHEN EXPLAINING HIS

PLANS TO A REPORTER FROM A

BUFFALO BEAST WHO CALLED THEM UP

PRETENDING TO BE ONE OF COKE

BROTHERS, THE BILLIONAIRE DUO

WHO FINANCIALLY PW-BGD MANY

REPUBLICAN CAUSES AND CANDIDATES

INCLUDING WALKER, NOT THAT

THERE'S ANYTHING WRONG WIT.

>> AN INTERESTING IDEA BROUGHT

UP BY MY CHIEF OF STAFF, WE

DON'T DO IT UNTIL TOMORROW, IS

PUTTING OUT AN APPEAL TO THE

DEMOCRAT LEADER THAT I WOULD BE

WILLING TO SIT DOWN AND TALK TO

HIM BUT I'LL ONLY DO IT IF ALL

14 OF THEM COME BACK AND SIT

DOWN IN THE STATE ASSEMBLY.

>> Jon: THAT SOUNDS PRETTY

REASONABLE.

EVEN WHEN HE THINKS NO ONE IS

LISTENING HE IS TALKING

COMPROMISE.

I'M SURE THERE'S NO MORE TO THAT

TAPE.

>> ONCE THEY'VE GONE INTO

SESSION, THEY DON'T PHYSICALLY

HAVE TO BE THERE.

IF THEY ARE ACTUALLY IN SESSION

FOR THAT DAY AND THEY TAKE A

RECESS, THE 19 SENATE

REPUBLICANS COULD THEN GO INTO

ACTION AND THEY WOULD HAVE A

QUORUM BECAUSE THEY STARTED OUT

THAT THEY.

IF THEY HEARD I WOULD TALK TO

THEM THAT WOULD BE THE ONLY

REASON WHY.

>> Jon: THE ONLY REASON YOU

WOULD TALK TO THE DEMOCRATIC

COUNTERPARTS IN THE STATE SENATE

IS TO TRICK THEM?

IT'S SLEAZYIER BUT STILL IN THE

REALM OF ACCEPTABLE POLITICAL

STRATEGY.

>> WE WERE THINKING ABOUT THE

CROWDS OF PLANTING SOME TROUBLE

MAKERS.

>> WELL, THE ONLY PROBLEM D WE

THOUGHT ABOUT THAT --

[LAUGHTER]

>> Jon: PLANT TROUBLE MAKERS?

YOU WORE A BADGE -- WERE A

BADGER BOY.

WE HAVE SWORN TO DEFEND

WISCONSIN FROM TROUBLE MAKERS

AND ALL OF WISCONSIN'S ENEMIES.

♪ OH WISCONSIN NO TO COMMUNISTS,

ISLAMISTS AND THE LACTOSE

INTOLERANT ♪

[LAUGHTER]

WELL, LOOK, I BET IF WE LISTEN

TO WHAT HE SAYS TO THE FAKE

DAVID COKE, NO, WE CAN'T BRING

IN TROUBLE MAKERS THAT WOULD BE

WRONG MORALLY.

IT'S A REP REPREHENSIBLE

STRATEGY USED BY FRINGE ELEMENTS

AND BE NEATH THE DIG KNIT OF THE

CHIEF EXECUTIVE OF WISCONSIN GO

BADGERS.

LET'S LISTEN IN.

>> IF THERE WAS A RAUCOUS CAUSE

THAT WOULD SCARE THE PUBLIC INTO

THINKING MAYBE THE GOVERNOR HAS

TO SET TOLL AVOID ALL THE

PROBLEMS.

>> Jon: I WANT THE PROTESTERS

TO LOOK BAD BUT NOT SO BAD THAT

THEY BECOME A PROBLEM IN A NEEDS

SOLVING.

[LAUGHTER]

FOR THOSES OF YOU WHO HAVE SEEN

GLENN BECK'S TAKE ON HOW THE

WISCONSIN PROTESTS PLAY INTO A

BIGGER ISLAMO-SOCIALIST

CONSPIRACY BENT ON NOTHING LESS

THAN A NEW WORLD ORDER, TAKE

COMFORT IN THE FACT THAT THERE'S

A EQUALLY VAST AND PLAUSIBLE

DESTINATION.

>> WHO IS MOVING THE CHESS

PIECES IN WISCONSIN?

WE KNOW THE AMERICANS FOR

PROSPERITY ORGANIZE ORGANIZATION

BACKED BY THE COKE BROTHERS HAS

BEEN CLOSEST INVOLVED IN THE

ANTIUNION PROTESTS AFTER

SPENDING $5 MILLION ALMOST WHAT

I MAKE IN AN HOUR TO GET SCOTT

WALKER ELECTED.

THE COKE BROTHER BACKED RGA IS

WARNING HIM UNLESS UNIONS GET

BUSTED THEY MIGHT NOT HAVE AS

MUCH MONEY TO SEND HIS WAY IN

2014.

>> Jon: WELCOME BACK MY GUEST

TONIGHT SERVED AS A SECRETARY OF

DEFENSE IN TWO DIFFERENT

PRESIDENTIAL ADMINISTRATIONS.

MOST RECENTLY UNDER GEORGE W.

BUSH.

HIS MEMOIR IS CALLED KNOWN AND

UNKNOWN.

PLEASE WELCOME TO THE PROGRAM

DONALD RUMSFELD.

SIR, NICE SO SEE YOU -- NICE TO

SEE YOU.

THANK YOU.

PLEASE COME AND JOIN US.

THANK USM.

[CHEERS AND APPLAUSE]

-- THANK YOU.

[ APPLAUSE ]

THANK YOU.

PLEASE THANK YOU FOR BEING HERE.

>> THANK YOU.

>> Jon: WE APPRECIATE IT.

THE BOOK IS "KNOWN AND UNKNOWN."

THAT'S YOU RIGHT INTEREST --

RIGHT THERE IN A VEST.

>> IN TAOS, NEW MEXICO.

>> Jon: IS THAT TAOS, LOVELY

PLACE.

OBVIOUSLY HE WILL TPAPBLT IN THE

ROOM, TENSION.

I THINK I KNOW WHY YOU ARE HERE

AND LET ME DEFLATE THE TENSION

RIGHT OFF THE BAT.

APOLOGY ACCEPTED.

[LAUGHTER]

[CHEERS AND APPLAUSE]

AND NOW WE CAN MOVE ON AND HAVE

A NICE DAY, A NICE CONVERSATION.

I KNOW IT'S BEEN TROUBLING YOU

FOR SOME TIME NOW.

I DO THANK YOU FOR BEING HERE.

I DON'T EVEN KNOW WHERE TO

START.

SO LET'S START WITH IRAQ.

>> OKAY WHY AM I NOT SURPRISED?

>> Jon: I DON'T KNOW I'LL TAKE

YOUR STONEY SILENCE AS

ACCEPTANCE.

[LAUGHTER]

THERE'S AN INTERESTING QUOTE

THAT YOU HAD IN THE BOOK ABOUT

JOHN YOU ARE -- YOU URLICHMAN.

YOU SAY TO HIM ABOUT HIM, HE

SEEMED TO HAVE A HIGH DEGREE OF

CERTAINTY ABOUT HIS VIEWS THAT

BORDERED ON ARROGANCE, A TRAIT

THAT DID HIM NO FAVORS AS HE

GATHERED MORE INFLUENCE IN THE

WHITE HOUSE.

CERTAINTY WITHOUT POWER CAN BE

INTERESTING AND AMUSING.

CERTAINTY WITH POWER CAN BE

DANGEROUS.

I THOUGHT, BOY IF THERE WAS OF A

SOLID CRITIQUE OF HOW I FELT

ABOUT THE ADMINISTRATION YOU

SERVED UNDER UNDER PRESIDENT

BUSH IT WOULD BE THAT.

CERTAINTY WITH POWER IS

DANGEROUS.

TRUE OR FALSE?

[LAUGHTER]

>> IF YOU GO TO THE WEB SITE

THAT I PUT UP, RUMSFELD.COM,

THERE ARE HUNDREDS OF DOCUMENTS,

THOUSANDS OF PAGES, AND WHAT YOU

WILL SEE IS THE ABSENCE OF

CERTAINTY.

YOU WILL SEE PROBING,

QUESTIONING, WONDERING, DO WE

HAVE ENOUGH INFORMATION, ARE

THERE MORE THINGS WE OUGHT TO

KNOW.

IT'S EXACTLY THE OPPOSITE.

>> Jon: IF YOU WOULD GO TO MY

TiVo.

>> I DON'T THINK I KNOW WHAT

THAT MEANS.

>> Jon: YOU SAID

RUPLZFELD.COM.

YOU ARE AHEAD OF ME.

I'M LICKING STAMPS AND PUTTING

THEM ON ENVELOPES AND HOPING IT

GETS TO WHEREVER IT'S GOING.

I GUESS I'M DRAWING A

DISTINCTION PERHAPS BETWEEN THE

INTERNAL DELIBERATIONS AND --

>> RIGHT.

>> Jon: AND WHAT WAS PRESENTED

TO THE AMERICAN PUBLIC.

BECAUSE PRESENTED TO THE

AMERICAN PUBLIC WAS A PICTURE OF

NOT JUST RELATIVE CERTAINTY,

CERTAINTY BORDERING ON

ARROGANCE.

THERE WAS A DISMISSIVENESS TO

ANYONE WHO CHALLENGE THAT

CERTAINTY.

NOT HOW YOU REMEMBER IT?

>> IT ISN'T AT ALL REALLY.

>> Jon: WHY?

>> I KNOW WHAT WAS GOING THROUGH

MY MIND AND I KNOW THE KINDS OF

QUESTIONS THE PRESIDENT WOULD

ASK AND THE QUESTIONS THAT COLIN

POWELL OR CONDI RICE OR THE VICE

PRESIDENT WOULD ASK.

THERE WAS A SEARCHING -- THERE

WAS LOTS OF QUESTIONS.

>> Jon: A YEARNING, IF YOU

WILL.

>> NOT QUITE THE WORD I WOULD

HAVE USED.

[LAUGHTER]

>> Jon: YOU DISAGREE THAT THE

ADMINISTRATION SHOWED A FACE OF

CERTAINTY WHEN IT COME TO THE

INTELLIGENCE IN THE LEADUP TO

THE IRAQ WAR.

>> NO, IN THAT RESPECT YOU ARE

EXACTLY RIGHT.

THERE'S NO QUESTION BUT THE

INTELLIGENCE COMMUNITY PRESENTED

THAT INFORMATION.

COLIN POWELL MADE THE

PRESENTATION AT THE UNITED

NATIONS.

HE SPENT -- HE PROBABLY HAD AS

MUCH EXPERIENCE DEALING WITH

INTELLIGENCE PRODUCTS AS ANYONE

IN THE GOVERNMENT INCLUDING THE

DIRECTOR OF THE C.I.A.

HE SPENT DAYS ON IT.

HE WORKED HARD ON IT.

HE BELIEVED EVERY WORD HE SAID

AND HE PRESENTED IT THAT WAY.

NOW, THE INTELLIGENCE ALWAYS IS

NEVER PERFECT.

IT'S ALWAYS QUESTIONED.

YOU HAVE TO REQUEST IT.

>> Jon: DID YOU KNOW

INTELLIGENCE WAS NEVER PERFECT?

>> OH, MY GOODNESS, YES.

>> Jon: I FEEL LIKE WE'RE

SITTING ON A PORCH NOW SIPPING

LEMONADE.

>> I SAID WHAT I SHOULDN'T HAVE

SAID.

>> Jon: GEE WILLIKERS.

>> I MAKE FUN OF THAT BUT THERE

ARE PEOPLE WHO IN THE HEARTLAND

OF AMERICA THAT TALK LIKE I DO.

MAYBE NOT THE COAST.

>> Jon: ON THE COAST WE JUST

CURSE AND HAVE GAY SEX.

THAT'S ALL WE DO.

[CHEERS AND APPLAUSE]

WE JUST RETURN AROUND CURSING

AND GAY SEXING EACH OTHER.

[LAUGHTER]

>> LET ME GO BACK TO COLIN

POWELL.

>> Jon: POWELL WAS NOT THE

ONLY ONE.

>> OF COURSE NOT.

THE PRESIDENT MADE THE DECISION.

COLIN POWELL MADE THE

PRESENTATION.

THERE WAS NO ONE IN THE NSC WHO

DISAGREED WITH THAT.

>> Jon: I WOULD TAKE ISSUE

WITH SOME OF THEM.

BEFORE -- FOR INSTANCE, THE

LINKAGE BETWEEN SADDAM HUSSEIN

AND AL QAEDA IN TERMS OF THE

INTELLIGENCE.

>> THERE WASN'T MUCH OF A

LINKAGE AT ALL.

>> Jon: THANK YOU.

WE DIDN'T HEAR THAT THOUGH.

WHAT WE HEARD WAS THERE WAS A

DIRECT LINK.

YOU CAN NOT TALK ABOUT THE WAR

ON TERROR.

YOU TALKED ABOUT THIS FELLOW,

YOU DIDN'T MENTION HIS NAME BUT

AL LIBBY DESCRIBED TRAINING THAT

HAD BEEN OCCURRING FROM IRAQ TO

AL QAEDA.

>> THERE HAVE BEEN TRAINING

CAMPS AND THERE WAS AN AL QAEDA

CONNECTED GROUP THAT WAS

ACTUALLY PREPARING CHEMICALS.

WE FOUND TRACES OF RICIN AND

POTASSIUM CHLORIDE AFTER

OPERATIONS.

SADDAM HUSSEIN WAS GIVING

$25,000 TO THE FAMILIES OF

SUICIDE BOMBERS.

HE WAS ON THE STATE DEPARTMENT

TERRORIST LIST FOR YEARS.

>> Jon: NO QUESTION, HE WAS ON

THE LIST.

MY ULTIMATE POINT IS -- I'M

SOMEWHAT GETTING TO IT -- THERE

WAS NO REAL MOMENTUM FOR A WAR

IN IRAQ.

WE HAD TO FOCUS THE COUNTRY ON

THAT AFGHANISTAN DIDN'T TAKE

MUCH CONVINCING.

PEOPLE, I THINK, THEY ARE BEHIND

THAT.

>> THAT IS FAIR.

>> Jon: SO THE WHITE HOUSE,

AND THE DEFENSE DEPARTMENT AND

THE STATE DEPARTMENT HAD TO

COORDINATE A PRETTY

EXTRAORDINARY EFFORT TO GATHER

INFORMATION AND CONVINCE AMERICA

THAT THIS WAS IN OUR BEST

INTEREST TO DO SO.

AND WOULD IT BE FAIR TO CONSIDER

THAT IN THE EFFORT THAT IT TOOK

TO SELL US THIS --

>> THAT'S A --

>> Jon: LET ME BACK UP.

>> A LITTLE STRONG.

>> Jon: IN THE EFFORT IT TOOK

TO THE ADMINISTRATION TO --

>> PRESENT -- I'M JUST TRYING TO

HELP YOU.

[LAUGHTER]

>> Jon: THANK YOU I APPRECIATE

THAT.

IF ONLY I TALKED TO YOU BEFORE.

[LAUGHTER]

NOT SELL -- I WOULDN'T SAY

PRESENT BECAUSE THEY DID NOT

PRESENT.

THEY GAVE US -- AGAIN THEY WERE

PRETTY CERTAIN WHEN IT CAME OUT.

ALL THE DELIBERATION HAD BEEN

DONE.

>> YOU WANT TO KNOW WHAT I DO AT

ONE POINT?

>> Jon: YES.

>> IN THE BOOK I TALK ABOUT IT.

I SAT DOWN AND PREPARED A LIST

OF ALL THE THINGS THAT COULD GO

WRONG.

>> Jon: A PARADE OF HORRIBLES.

>> EXACTLY.

ONE OF THEM WAS THERE MIGHT NOT

BE WEAPONS OF MASS DESTRUCTION.

>> Jon: THAT'S RIGHT.

>> ANOTHER ONE WAS IT MIGHT LAST

SIX OR EIGHT YEARS.

>> Jon: DID YOU STAR THOSE?

>> NO, I DIDN'T.

I DIDN'T BELIEVE THEM I JUST

KNEW THAT A RATIONAL PERSON HAD

TO SAY WHAT COULD GO WRONG.

>> Jon: GREAT.

NOW WE'RE GETTING SOMEWHERE.

>> I PRESENTED THEM TO THE

PRESIDENT AND THE NATIONAL

SECURITY COUNCIL.

CAN I GIVE YOU A BACKGROUND.

>> Jon: NO.

WOULDN'T A RATIONAL PERSON -- I

GUESS WHAT I'M SAYING THE EFFORT

ON PRESENTING US THE INFORMATION

OF CERTAINTY THAT SADDAM HUSSEIN

WAS A GREAT THREAT THAT HAD

WEAPONS OF MASS DESTRUCTION

CAPABILITY AND WAS IN THE

PROCESS OF DISSEMINATING THAT TO

AL QAEDA OP PRA ACTIVES, THE

EFFORT TO -- OPERATIVES --

>> JIEWF OVERSTATED.

GOODNESS GRACIOUS.

>> Jon: ALL RIGHT.

WE'RE GOING TO GO TO COMMERCIAL.

WE'LL COME BACK AND I WILL

FINISH.

I'LL TRY TO RE

I GUESS MY -- WHAT I'M TRYING TO

GET TO IS THIS: YOU HAD A MEMO

OF PARADE OF HORRIBLES?

IT WAS TWO OR THREE PAGES?

>> I DON'T KNOW.

>> Jon: IT WAS 30 OR 40

HORRIBLES.

>> POSSIBLE.

I DIDN'T KNOW.

>> Jon: YOU DON'T KNOW IF THAT

PARADE IS GOING TO HAPPEN.

IT COULD BE THE PUERTO RICAN DAY

PARADE.

NOBODY KNOWS.

[LAUGHTER]

IT SEEMED THAT THE EFFORT THAT

THE ADMINISTRATION EXUDED WAS

MORE GEARED TOWARDS MAKING THE

CASE OF WHY WE HAD TO DO THIS

THAN EXAMINING YOUR MEMO.

YOU SAY YOURSELF IN THE BOOK, I

GAVE THE MEMO TO THE NFC, I

DON'T KNOW WHAT HAPPENED TO IT.

>> NOT QUITE.

>> Jon: YOU GAVE THE MEMO TO

THE NSC BUT THEY DIDN'T PAY

ATTENTION.

>> INDIVIDUALS DID AND PEOPLE

DID MAKE PREPARATIONS FOR SOME

OF THOSE THINGS.

CERTAINLY WE DID IN THE

DEPARTMENT.

THEY WERE NOT EXTENSIVE MEETINGS

ON THEM.

>> Jon: THAT'S MY POINT.

>> FAIR ENOUGH.

>> Jon: THE WHITE HOUSE RAT

GROUP MET WEEKLY.

THE GROUP THAT WAS ASSIGNED THE

JOB OF COORDINATING THE

PRESENTATION ABOUT GOING TO WAR

IN IRAQ MET WEEKLY?

>> I GUESS SO.

I DON'T KNOW.

IT WOULD HAVE BEEN AT A

DIFFERENT LEVEL.

THE NSC MET FREQUENTLY.

>> Jon: DID THEY TELL YOU

ANYTHING?

YOU POOR MAN.

ARE YOU NOT ON THE E-MAIL LIST?

ARE YOU NOT CCED?

>> I WAS IN THE NATIONAL

SECURITY.

>> Jon: THERE WAS A --

>> YOU DON'T NEED TO TELL ME.

>> Jon: YOU CREATED A WHOLE

OFFICE TO DEAL WITH INTELLIGENCE

WITHIN THE PENTAGON CALLED THE

OFFICE OF SPECIAL PLANS.

>>

DID YOU KNOW THAT.

>> I DID NOT.

>> Jon: YOU RECOMMENDED IT?

>> NO.

>> Jon: DID YOU HAVE ANY

POWER?

>> SURE, LOTS.

>> Jon: IF THEY SAID CAN WE

CREATE A SPECIAL OFFICE?

>> THERE ARE THREE MILLION

PEOPLE IN THAT OPERATION.

EVERYONE DID NOT ASK ME

EVERYTHING THEY WERE GOING TO DO

THEY WERE DELEGATED LARGE CHUNKS

OF RESPONSIBILITY.

THEY WERE GOOD PEOPLE WHO DID A

GOOD JOB.

>> Jon: LET'S NOT GET CRAZY.

I WANT TO TELL YOU THIS.

I REALLY DO APPRECIATE YOU AT

LEAST HAVING THE CONVERSATION

AND HAVING AT LEAST THE

ABILITY --

>> WHY DO YOU SAY AT LEAST

TWICE?

[LAUGHTER]

>> Jon: NICELY DONE.

I REALLY DO APPRECIATE IT.

[LAUGHTER]

AND I KNOW YOU HAVE TO GO AND

YOUR TIME IS VALUABLE AND I DO

THANK YOU FOR BEING HERE.

"KNOWN AND

>> Jon: THAT'S OUR SHOW.

JOIN US TOMORROW AT 11:00.

HERE IT IS YOUR MOMENT OF ZEN.

>> I TAKE PHONECALLS ALL THE

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