March 29, 2012 - Rachel Maddow

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The Supreme Court hears from both sides on the Affordable Care Act, Spike Lee endangers the lives, and Rachel Maddow explains how Americans can connect with the military.

>> WELCOME TO THE DAILY SHOW,

MY NAME IS JON STEWART.

GUESTS TON RACHEL MADDOW WILL BE JOINING US.

SHE WROTE A BOOK.

(CHEERS AND APPLAUSE)

>> Jon: YOU KNOW WHAT I MEAN,

I'M UP THERE PLAYING VIDEO IMGAS, SHE'S OVER THERE WRITING BOOKS FOR GOD'S SAKES.

MAKES ME MAD, QUITE FRANKLY.

SHE'S GOT TO TAKE IT EASIER.

LET'S BEGIN WITH THE BIG NEWS IN WASHINGTON THIS WEAK.

AT FORDABLE CARE ACT, AKA OBAMACARE, AKA THE SOCIALIST TAKE OVER OF AMERICA'S COLONS.

HAS MADE ITS WAY TO THE SUPREME COURT FOR THREE DAYS OF INTRICATE LEGAL DISCUSSION OF THE

CONSTITUTIONALITY OF THE HEALTH CARE MANDATE.

I DON'T THINK THAT IS GOING TO BE INTERESTING.

(LAUGHTER) 24 HOUR NEWS NETWORK YOU CAN SELL IT?

>> DAY ONE OF AN EPIC HEALTH CARE SHOWDOWN.

>> THIS IS A MASSIVE DAY IN AMERICAN HISTORY WANTS EPIC LEGAL BATTLE.

>> THE MOST IMPORTANT LEGAL DEBATE IN YEARS.

>> JUST HOW BIG A DEAL IS THIS ON A SCALE OF, LIKE WATERGATE AND BUSH V GORE.

>> PROBABLY THE TWO OF THEM TOGETHER JSES.

>> Jon: I'M MUST SEE THIS ON SUNDAY, SUNDAY, SUNDAY.

YOU HAD ME AT BIGGER THAN WATERGATE.

YOU KNOW WHY JUSTICE IS BLIND, SHE STARED DIRECTLY INTO THE SOLAR SYSTEM, THAT BIG.

LIKE EVERYTHING THAT OCCURS IN THIS COUNTRY AMERICANS CAN BE DIVIDED-- DID YOU ENJOY THAT?

(LAUGHTER)

>> Jon: ALL DAY LONG WE SPEND TRYING TO DISSTILL THREE DAYS OF SUPREME COURT

ARGUMENTS INTO DIGESTIBLE BITES AND HOT, HOT DOCKET,

THAT'S THE THING.

I HAVE EATEN THOSE-- OH,

WAIT A MINUTE.

THE SPELLING IS DIFFERENT,

THERE IS A GAVEL IN THE PICTURE.

AS WE KNOW AMERICANS CAN BE DIINDIVIDUAL MOOD ONLY TWO CAMPS.

REPRESENTATIVES OF WHICH GATHERED OUTSIDE THE COURTROOM.

SUPPORTER OF OBAMACARE ON ONE SIDE.

>> I THINK NEFERN THIS COUNTRY SHOULD HAVE ACCESS TO QUALITY, AFFORDABLE HEALTH CARE.

>> I PAY FOR MY OWN HEALTH CARE.

I'M OUT HERE FOR THOSE PEOPLE THAT CAN'T.

>> Jon: OH, ALL RIGHT,

LOVELY SENTIMENT.

AND OPPONENTS OF THE BILL.

>> WE WON'T HAVE RIGHTS.

>> FREEDOM.

>> WHEN DOW WANT IT.

>> TO YOU WITHIN HONSLY I WILL NOT COMPLY WITH THE LAW BECAUSE I BELIEVE IN FREEDOM

(LAUGHTER)

>> Jon: SO NOW WE HAVE THE TWO SIDES HAVE DRAWN THE BATTLE LINES IT'S I BELIEVE

PREEXISTING CONDITION US SHOULD NOT DISCUL FEW PEOPLE,

VERSUS I BELIEVE IN FREEDOM.

I GOT TO SAY THOSE DO NOT SEAM LIKE TWO HAVELS OF THE SAME ARGUMENT.

THE SCALING SEEMS ODD, I'M TEAM JAY COULD BE.

>> I'M ANTI-TYRANNY.

>> Jon: ALL RIGHT.

HATE'S GREAT.

LESS HOLOCAUST.

ALL RIGHT, I DON'T

ARE WE GOING TO BALANCE THIS.

I BELIEVE THE OBAMACARE SUPPORTERS MAY HAVE MADE THE MISTAKE OF BRINGING A

PROVISION TO A PRINCIPLES FIGHT.

SO LET'S SEE HOW THE COURT VIEWS IT.

NOW UNFORTUNATE LEIGH CAMERAS ARE NOT ALLOWED AT THE SUPREME COURT SO WE

CAN'T SHOW YOU VIDEO OF THE HEARING.

I CAN ONLY ASSUME THEY BEGAN WITH A SELLOUT CROWD FILING IN.

AND THEN PROMPTLY AT 10 A.M.

THE 9 JUSTICES SLIDE DOWN INTO PLACE, A PACKED GALLERY OF JOURNALISTS, INTERESTED

PARTIES AND OF COURSE MARK'S MOST BELOVED JUDGE CEE-LO.

(LAUGHTER) HE'S THE CHIEF JUSTICE OF OUR HEARTS.

HAT TIP TO OUR FRIENDS THE IMAGINEEERS AT THE TAIWANESE ANIMATION STUDIO.

(LAUGHTER) LET'S SEE HOW THAT REDUCTIVE OUTSIDE THE COURTROOM SCREAMING MATCH PLAYS OUT

INSIDE THE COURTROOM.

>> INSURANCE HAS BECOME THE PREDOMINANT MEANS OF PAYING FOR HEALTH CARE IN THIS COUNTRY.

BUT FOR MORE THAN 40 MILLION AMERICANS, WITHOUT DO NOT HAVE ACCESS TO HEALTH

INSURANCE, THE SYSTEM DOES NOT WORK.

>> THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT IS NOT SUPPOSED TO BE A GOVERNMENT THAT HAS ALL POWERS.

IT IS SUPPOSED TO BE A GOVERNMENT OF LIMITED POWERS.

>> Jon: WHAT, WHAT WHAT, YES,

NO WONDER THEY DON'T WANT CAMERAS IN THERE, THAT SHOW SUCKS.

I GUESS BASICALLY WHAT THEY ARE SAYING IS THE GOVERNMENT SEES A PROBLEM, THAT PEOPLE

DON'T HAVE HEALTH CARE.

AND THE GOVERNMENT IS SAYING ATHAT IN ORDER FOR ALL PEOPLE TO BE COVERED AND FOR

PRIVATE INSURANCE TO NOT GO BANKRUPT BY COVERING ALL PEOPLE THEY MUST HAVE A PAN

DATE FROM THE GOVERNMENT THAT EVERYONE HAS TO BUY HEALTH INSURANCE.

AND SCALIA IS SAYING YEAH-- YOU KNOW, MAYBE THAT WOULD FIX IT BUT YOU DON'T

HAVE THE POWER TO DO THAT,

[BLEEP] BUT WHAT WAS SO INTERESTING WAS WATCHING BOTH SIDES TAKE THAT ARGUMENT TO THEIR LOGICAL CONCLUSION.

TO SEE THE EXACT POINT WHERE THE ARGUMENTS BEGIN TALKING PAST EACH OTHER.

>> IN THE HEALTH-CARE MARKET ARE YOU GOING INTO THE MARKET WITHOUT THE ABILITY

TO PAY FOR WHAT YOU GET,

GETTING THE HEALTH-CARE SERVICE ANYWAY AS A RESULT OF THE SOCIAL NORMS THAT

ALLOW, THAT, TO WHICH WE'VE OBLIGATED OURSELVES.

>> DON'T OBLIGATE YOURSELF TO THAT.

>> Jon: THAT RIGHT THERE,

DID YOU HEAR IT.

DON'T OBLIGATE YOURSELF TO THAT.

THE GUY ON THE GOVERNMENT SIDE IS TWISTING HIMSELF INTO PRETZEL TO FIND A WAY

TO PAY FOR THE PREVIOUSLYLY UNINSURED 40 MILLION PEOPLE THAT GET EMERGENCY ROOM CARE

BUT CAN'T PAY FOR IT WELL,

TAKE THIS OVER HERE, TAKE SOME FAT OUT OF THE ASS PUT IT IN THE LIPS.

AND THE OTHER GUY IS LIKE HAVE YOU TRIED, I DON'T KNOW

[BLEEP] WHAT ARE THEY GOING TO DO?

IT'S A COMPLETELY DIFFERENT DEFINITION OF WHAT IS FREEDOM AND SOCIETY IS.

THAT'S-- YOU HAVE TO WONDER HOW IT IS THAT THE PARTY THAT CREATIONISTS CALL HOME

IS SO DARWINNIAN.

THAT'S THE CRAZY PART.

THIS IS THE WAY THE ARGUMENTS WENT.

THE LIBERAL JUDGES CLINGING TO THEIR MOST PRECIOUS VALUES.

THE CONSERVATIVE JUDGES CLINGING TO THEIR MOST PRECIOUS VALUES.

AND THAT BASICALLY JUST LEFT THE LAWYERS TAKING TURNS FIGHTING OVER THE ONLY SWING

VOTE ON THE PANEL JUSTICE KENNEDY.

(LAUGHTER) I DON'T-- I DON'T KNOW WHY ONE SIDE TRIES TO BUY HIM YOU HAVE A AND THE OTHER

SIDE JUST GIVES HIM ICE CREAM.

ANYWAY, ULTIMATELY WHAT WAS THE RESULT OF THE THREE-DAYS OF ARGUMENT?

WHO WON THE COURT CASE OF FREEDOM V SOCIAL CONTRACT.

>> THIS WAS A TRAIN WRECK.

>> PRESIDENT OBAMA'S HAILT CARE-- HEALTH CARE LAW COULD BE ON LIFE-SUPPORT.

>> AND IT MAY ALSO BE A PLANE WRECK (LAUGHTER)

>> Jon: AND DOWN GOES SOCIAL CONTRACT.

8, 9, 10, IT'S OVER!

THANK GOD, THE DISASTER OF THAT WASN'T CAPTURED BY CAMERAS, AS LADY LIBERTY-- (LAUGHTER)

>> Jon: JUST TOOK A-- OH MY GOD.

(LAUGHTER)

[BLEEP] BIDEN

>> Jon: WELCOME BACK.

LAST NIGHT ON OUR PROGRAM WE TOLD YOU HOW PRESIDENT BARACK OBAMA TOLD RUSSIAN

PRESIDENT MEDVEDEV-- EDEV THAT HE WOULD LIKE NOTHING MORE THAN TO RENEGOTIATE THE

MISSILE DEFENSE BUT ONLY -- -- OF COURSE HE WAS MICKED WHEN HE SAID THAT KIND OF

EMBARRASSING SLIP-UP, A GAFFE.

THE SUBJECT OF OUR NEW SEGMENT JON STEWART EXAMINES OTHER MEN'S BONERS.

NO, IS THAT SHALL DID -- THAT SHOULD NOT BE THE NAME OF THE SEGMENT.

CAN WE PLEASE-- LET'S CHANGE THIS BEFORE THE SHOW AIRS.

IS-- GOOD, THANK YOU.

YOU WILL EDIT OUT THIS ENTIRE CONVERSATION AS WELL,

RIGHT, PERFECT.

OKAY.

ALL RIGHT, THAT'S GOOD.

WE BEGIN WITH OUR NEW SEGMENT GAFFE-WATCH, THAT IS THE EDIT POINT RIGHT THERE

AND THAT WILL BE SEAMLESS WHEN PEOPLE WATCH IT AT HOME,

RIGHT, THEY WON'T-- THEY WON'T SEE THE BONER PART.

RIGHT?

I DON'T KNOW WHERE I'M SUPPOSED TO FAKE LOOK IN THIS BIT.

(LAUGHTER) AMAZINGLY OBAMA'S GAFFE GAVE BIRTH TO A SECOND GAFFE FROM ANOTHER INDIVIDUAL.

THIS FROM THE MOUTH OF ONE MITWORTH WILLARD ROMNEY UNY THE FOURTH.

>> HE IS PLAN ON DOING MORE AND SUGGESTS TO RUSSIA THAT HE HAS THINGS HE'S WILLING

TO DO WITH THEM, HE'S NOT WILLING TO TELL THE AMERICAN PEOPLE.

THIS IS TO RUSSIA.

THIS IS, WITHOUT QUESTION,

OUR NUMBER ONE GEO POLITICAL FOE.

>> Jon: BOO GAFFE.

WORDS HURT, MITT ROMNEY.

AND I FOR ONE WANT TO TAKE THIS MOMENT TO REASSURE OUR MANY, MANY FOES AROUND THE

WORLD AMERICA DOESN'T PLAY HATE FAVORITES.

(LAUGHTER) YOU'RE ALL NUMBER ONE IN YOUR OWN SPECIAL WAY.

IRAN, DON'T LET ANYONE TELL YOU YOU ARE NOT A REAL NUMBER ONE FOE IN OUR HEARTS.

NOT TO TAKE ANYTHING AWAY FROM CHINA, OUR NUMBER ONE ECONOMIC FOE OR PAKISTAN,

OUR NUMBER ONE FOE WITH BENEFITS.

NOW THAT'S AN INTERNATIONAL INCIDENT GAFFE.

NEXT UP, THE FLASHPOINT SOCIAL ISSUE GAFFE.

>> CONCERNING THE TRAGIC SHOOTING OF TRAYVON MARTIN BY GEORGE ZIMMERMAN.

>> THE FLORIDA COUPLE SAYS THEY ARE LIVING IN FEAR AFTER SOMEONE TWEETED THEIR

ADDRESS AS THE HOME OF GEORGE ZIMMERMAN.

>> Jon: WHAT?

WHO WOULD DO SOMETHING THAT ASNINE.

HOPEFULLY IT IS ONE OF THESE FRINGE TWITTER CRACK POTS WITH 12 FOLLOWERS AND THE

DAMAGE IS HIT GATED.

MATTERS GOT MUCH WORSE WHEN SPIKE LEE REPORTEDLY RETWEETED TO ALL OF HIS FOLLOWERS THAT ADDRESS.

HE HAS 250,000 FOLLOWERS.

AND NOW SPIKE LEE RETWEETING SOMEBODY HOME ADDRESS WITHOUT VERIFYING WHOSE IT IS.

>> THAT SAY BAD MISTAKE.

>> IT CERTAINLY IS.

>> Jon: YES.

SENDING A LYNCH MOB TO THE WRONG ADDRESS IS A BAD MISTAKE.

BUT I GOT TO SAY, EVEN IF IT WAS THE RIGHT ADDRESS,

THAT'S STILL A BAD [BLEEP]

THING.

SENDING A LYNCH MOB TO ANYBODY'S ADDRESS IS A BAD MISTAKE.

RIGHT ADDRESS, WRONG ADDRESS,

LYNCH MOB-- AND SPIKE,

YOU'RE A 55-YEAR-OLD MAN,

LEAVE THE CYBERBULLYING TO TEENAGERS.

YOU KNOW, IT IS AS IMMATURE AS STEALING SALLY JESSE RAFAEL'S GLASS, SERIOUSLY.

SERIOUSLY, SPIKE.

DID YOU STEAL SALLIE JESSE RAFAEL'S GLASSES?

HOW COULD THIS GET ANY WORSE?

>> MY HUSBAND SAID WE DON'T HAVE A GEORGE THAT LIVES HERE AND DON'T KNOW ANYONE.

AND THEN THE NEXT DAY WE GOT HATE MAIL.

>> IT WAS AN ENVELOPE ADDRESSED WITH A BLACK MAGIC MARKER TO GEORGE ZIMMERMAN

IT SAID TASTE THE RAINBOW.

AND I GUESS THAT IS THE SKITTLES CATCH-PHRASE.

(LAUGHTER)

>> Jon: THE PEOPLE WHOSE ADDRESS YOU TWEETED ARE THE MOST ADORABLE PEOPLE EVER.

>> IT'S BEEN REALLY, REALLY HARD, REALLY HARD.

I HAVE A HEART CONDITION.

AND HIGH BLOOD PRESSURE AND THIS IS JUST SKYROCKETED IT.

>> Jon: OH GOD, OF COURSE YOU DO.

I'M SO SORRY FOR YOU GUYS.

YOU MOVED TO FLORIDA SO YOU COULD FINALLY RELAX AND ENJOY THESE YEARS AND YOU

SUDDENLY FIND YOURSELF AS LIVE ON THE CORNER OF BULL'S EYE STREET AND ANGRY MOB AVENUE.

SPIKE, TELL ME YOU'VE MADE THIS RIGHT.

>> SPEAK LEE'S TWEET HAS SINCE BEEN REMOVED.

>> Jon: OH, GOOD.

WE ALL KNOW ONCE SOMETHING IS REMOVED FROM TWITTER IT IS GONE FOREVER.

(LAUGHTER) LIKE IT NEVER HAPPENED.

DAMAGE FIXED.

COME ON, SPIKE.

>> SPIKE WROTE ON TWITTER LAST NIGHT I DEEPLY APOLOGISE TO THE McLEAN

FAMILY FOR RETWEETING THEIR ADDRESS IT WAS A MISTAKE.

PLEASE LEAVE THE McLEAN'S IN PEACE.

JUSTICE IN COURT.

>> Jon: ALL RIGHT, THAT'S A NIGHT HERS FELT APOLOGY,

ALTHOUGH CALL ME CRAZY,

SOMETHING TELLS ME A TWEET ISN'T THE IDEAL MEDIUM FOR APOLOGIZING TO 71-YEAR-OLDS.

>> I NEVER TWEETEDMENT I DON'T EVEN TEXT.

>> Jon: OF COURSE YOU DON'T.

YOU'RE TOO BUSY BAKING COOKIES FOR THE NEIGHBORHOOD KIDS AND SOWING YOUR

GRANDDAUGHTER A QUILT.

YOU'RE ADOREABLE.

SERIOUSLY, SPIKE A POLL GIZING TO PEOPLE IN A WAY THEY CAN COMPREHEND.

TAPE A NOTE TO THEIR GRANDKIDS.

HOLD UP A SIGN AT A KNICKS GAME OR CALL THEM.

THAT IS WHAT THEY REALLY WANT.

THAT IS ALL ANY FLORIDA RETIREE REALLY WANTS.

PICK UP THE PHONE AND CALL THEM.

AND THEN, HELP THEM

>> Jon: WELCOME BACK.

MY GUEST TONIGHT, THE HOST OF MSNBC THE RACHEL MADDOW BOOK, HER NEW BOOK CALLED

DRIFT, THE UNMOORING OF AMERICAN MILITARY POWER.

WELCOME BACK TO THE PROGRAM,

RACHEL MADDOW.

(APPLAUSE) OH MY GOD.

YOU-- WAIT, YOU HAVE A COPY OF YOUR OWN BOOK.

YOU HAVE NOT READ IT?

>> I HAVE BEEN TRYING TO MEM ORIZE SIGNIFICANT PORTIONS SO I CAN JUST-- .

>> Jon: THE BOOK IS CALLED DRIFT, THE UNMOORING OF AMERICAN MILITARY POWER.

YOU KNOW, A LOT OF TELEVISION HOSTS, A LOT OF PEOPLE IN THIS INDUSTRY WRITE BOOKS.

WE TRY AND DO THEM AS CHEAPLY AND EASILY AND AS SUPERFICIALLY AS WE CAN.

YOU APPEAR TO HAVE INVESTED A GREAT DEAL OF RESEARCH IN THIS.

>> YEAH, I JUST TREATED IT LIKE A SECOND JOB.

>> Jon: IT'S MAKING EVERYBODY LOOK BAD IS WHAT I AM SAYING.

I DON'T THINK ANY OF US PRAERBT THAT, IN ANY WAY,

SHAPE OR FORM.

>> I'M SORRY.

>> Jon: WHAT MAKES YOU DECIDE I WANT TO DIVE INTO THIS MILITARY INDUSTRIAL

COMPLEX WHICH NO ONE HAS BEEN ABLE TO STOP.

AND YOU DO IT AT THE END SU HAVE PRESCRIPTION, ACTUAL PRESCRIPTION OF WHAT PEOPLE MAY DO.

>> I FELT LIKE, WHEN I GOT THE BOOK CONTRACT I HAD A RADIO SHOW.

I WAS JUST ABOUT TO GET A TV SHOW.

AND THIS WAS, I WAS REPORTING A LOT ON THE WARS.

AND WHAT WAS GOING ON.

BUT I FELT LIKE HI THIS THING I WANTED TO GET OFF MY CHEST, THIS THING WANTED TO

SAY, AN ARGUMENT I WANTED TO MAKE THAT I DIDN'T KNOW HOW TO MAKE IN A SHORT FORM WAY.

THAT I NEEDED TO LAY OUT A BUNCH OF EVIDENCE AND SAY WHAT I THOUGHT.

AND I DON'T THINK THERE IS A WAY TO HAVE DONE IT EXCEPT IN A BOOK.

AND SO I HATE WRITING.

IT MAKES ME CRAZY.

I'M REALLY SLOW AT IT I DON'T THINK I'M VERY GOOD IT

ALTHOUGH I'M HAPPY WITH THE WAY THE BOOK TURNED OUT,

PLEASE READ IT.

>> Jon: I WAS GOING TO JUMP IN, THAT IS NOT THE HARD SELL.

>> I DIDN'T WANT TO WRITE A BACK AND THEN LOOK FOR A TOPIC.

HAD THIS TOPIC I COULDN'T DO ANY OTHER WAY INSTEAD OF A BOOK.

AND SO IT'S ABOUT-- .

>> Jon: SO ARE YOU DOING THIS OR ARE YOU TALKING AND THEN SENDING IT, WHAT ARE YOU DOING?

>> I'M A NOTE SCRIBBLERS,

LIKE I'M WRITING-- I HAND WRITE IT AND REWRITE IT TYPING.

YOU KNOW, I JUST, WE FEEL LIKE WE'RE A COUNTRY THAT,

WE DIDN'T FEEL LIKE WE WENT TO WAR AS A COUNTRY.

WE FEEL LAKE A COUNTRY THAT SENT THE MILITARY TO THE WAR,

AND THE MILITARY FOUGHT THE WARS AND WE WEREN'T INVESTED AND DIDN'T SACRIFICE AND

DIDN'T FEEL IT WE STILL FEEL THAT WAY.

AND I THINK WE OUGHT TO FEEL THAT WAY IT OUGHT TO MAKE US WANT TO CHANGE THE WAY WE

ARE AS A COUNTRY AND I DON'T THINK IT WOULD BE IMPOSSIBLE TO DO.

>> Jon: DON'T YOU THINK THAT THAT IS A PURPOSEFUL CREATION BY THE GOVERNMENT,

TO ISOLATE THE MILITARY FROM THE GENERAL POP LAS BECAUSE THEN ARE YOU ABLE TO DO

THINGS WITH THE MILITARY YOU CAN'T-- IF THE SACRIFICE IS SPREAD OUT TO EVERYBODY BY A

DRAFT OR THAT TYPE OF THING,

THE PUSHBACK IS MUCH MORE ENORMOUS FROM THE POPULATION FOR HOW YOU USE THE WARS.

YOU THINK THAT'S SOMETHING THEY DESIGNED PURPOSEFULLY.

>> I THINK INCREMENTALLY THAT IS WHAT WE ACHIEVED IT IS CALLED DRIFT IF PART

BECAUSE I DIDN'T WANT PEOPLE TO THINK IT WAS A CONSPIRACY,

THAT SOMEBODY SET OUT TO CHANGE THE COUNTRY.

>> Jon: YOU REALLY DON'T KNOW HOW TO SELL BOOKS, DO YOU.

ARE YOU SUPPOSED TO HAVE THE WHOLE CONSPIRACY THING HERE.

>> I KNOW.

>> CONSPIRACY IS EASIER TO UNDERSTAND THAN COMPLEXITY,

RIGHT.

BUT IT IS ALL OF THESE REALLY REASONABLE DECISIONS MADE BY POLITICIANS WHO HAD

UNDERSTANDABLE FRUSTRATIONS.

THEY SEE US, NATIONAL SECURITY NEEDS, THEY FEEL LIKE NEEDS TO BE ADDRESSED

BUT THE CONGRESS DOESN'T WANT THEM TO.

THEY FIGURE OUT HOW TO DO IT AROUND THE CONGRESS.

THEY SEE A NATIONAL SECURITY NEED THEY WANT TO ADDRESS BUT THEY DON'T WANT TO

EXPLAIN IT TO THE PUBLIC SO THEY DO IT IN SECRET.

THEY FIGURE OUT A WAY TO DO IT BUT IT LOOKS TOO EXPENSIVE, TELL PEOPLE IT'S FREE.

WE MAKE ALL OF THESE INCREMENTAL CHANGES TO MAKE IT LESS HASSLE TO GET AROUND

THE THINGS THAT WE NEED TO GET AROUND TO DO WHAT WE KNOW IS RIGHT.

>> Jon: I LOVE HOW YOU CALL THESE INCREMENTAL CHANGES RATHER THAN LIKE LIES.

THEY HAVE THESE LITTLE LIES THAT THEY TELL AS WE GO ALONG.

IS IT THE KIND OF THING, YOU KNOW, THERE WAS SUCH A DRASTIC CHANGE AFTER THE

VIETNAM AND WATERGATE ERAS IN TERMS OF CURTAILING EXECUTIVE POWER.

>> YEAH.

>> Jon: THAT SEAMED TO HAVE LASTED UP UNTIL 189-- THERE IS ABOUT A TENNIER PERIOD

WHERE THEY WERE ABLE TO ACCOMPLISH THAT.

IS IT JUST IMPOSSIBLE, THEN TO, BECAUSE A LOT OF THIS,

YOU POST LATE IS THE EXECUTIVE BRANCH, REALLY OVERSTEPPING.

IS IT IMPOSSIBLE TO REIGN THAT IN AT SOME LEVEL WHEN YOU ARE TALKING ABOUT WAGING A WAR?

>> I THINK THAT WE CAN'T EVER EXPECT PRESIDENTS TO GIVE BACK POWER THAT THEY HAVE.

I JUST DON'T THINK HUMAN DOES THAT.

AND I THINK ANYBODY WHO HAS THE PERSONALITY TO BE PRESIDENT ISN'T GOING TO SAY

YOU KNOW WHAT, I HAVE APPROVED TOO MUCH POWER.

WHY DON'T YOU TAKE SOME BACK.

CONGRESS ACTUALLY HAS TO TAKE IT AND AFTER VIETNAM CONGRESS GOT UP ON A ITS

BEHIND LEGS AND ASSERTED ITS CONSTITUTIONAL PREROGATIVE TO DO IT.

>> Jon: CONGRESS IS A CENTER?

CONGRESS IS SOME TYPE OF LABRADOR.

ALL RIGHT.

>> IT'S VERY UNBALANCED, BUT IMPRESSIVE.

>> Jon: HOW ABOUT A SCABBY SCENTS, THERE YOU GO.

BUT THEY HAVE FALLEN BACK DOWN ON TO ALL FOUR AND THEY OUGHT TO BE MORE ASSERTIVE.

>> Jon: DO YOU THINK-- IS IT THE ONLY REASON WE HAVE THE POLITICAL WILL TO DO THAT

AFTER WATERGATE AND VIETNAM,

WAS THE EXTENSIVE AND OBVIOUS DAMAGE THAT THOSE TWO EVENTS CAUSED IF AMERICA,

DO WE NEED SOMETHING THAT EXTREME TO OCCUR BEFORE WE CAN RECENT THAT IN AGAIN,

THAT YOU KNOW, AS YOU SAID,

IT'S SO DIFFICULT AND CONGRESS IS IN MANY WAYS COMPLICITY WITH THIS.

>> YEAH.

>> Jon: ISN'T IT SO DIFFICULT FOR THEM TO GIVE THAT POWER BACK.

>> I THINK WE HAVE HAD SOMETHING THAT BIG IN THE LONGEST WAR IN AMERICAN HISTORY.

>> Jon: RIGHT.

>> FOUGHT SIMULTANEOUSLY WITH AN 8.5 YEAR LONG WAR IN IRAQ AND ONLY 1% OF THE

POPULATION FATING IT, DOING 3, 4, 5, 6, 7 TOURS.

WHILE WE GAVE OURSELVES MULTIPLE TAX CUTS.

WE GAVE OURSELVES A TAX CUT RIGHT BEFORE 9/11.

THEN 9/11 HAPPENED, WE INVADED AFGHANISTAN.

WE DIDN'T GIVE THE TAX CUT BACK AND GAVE ANOTHER TAX CUT RIGHT BEFORE INVADING IRAQ.

WITHOUT DOES THAT.

WHAT KIND OF COUNTRY DOES THAT.

THAT IS NOT A COUNTRY THINKING OF ITSELF AS GOING TO WAR.

(APPLAUSE)

>> Jon: YOU HAVE TO LOOK AT TAX CUTS LIKE EXECUTIVE POWER.

IT IS HARD TO GIVE THEM BACK.

>> BUT I THINK THAT THE FACT THAT REPUBLICANS ARE UP SET ABOUT THIS.

CONSERVATIVES, LIBERALS ARE UP SET ABOUT THIS DEMOCRATS.

IT'S VERY, THIS IS A NONPARTISAN THING.

>> Jon: THE BOOK SHOWED ME T WAS NICE TO SEE, NON-- IT DOESN'T PHRASE THINGS IN

THAT SORT OF STRANGE RIGHT,

LEFT PARADIGM THAT ALWAYS EVERYTHING HAS TO FALL UNDER.

THAT IS A NICE PIECE OF WORK.

>> IT'S NOT A RIGHT LEFT FIGHT.

THERE IS A LOT OF BAD DECISIONS MADE BY PEOPLE OF BOTH PARTIES.

>> Jon: WE'RE REALLY IN VERY POOR HANDS, AREN'T WE.

EVERYBODY SUCKS VERY NICE.

BUT THE THING THAT I REALLY ENJOYED ABOUT IT WAS AT THE END THERE IS A SORT OF, I

WOULD SAY FOUR PAGE KIND OF BULLET POINTED, LIKE 12 PRESCRIPTIONS OF THINGS IT

THAT I THOUGHT REALLY WERE VERY INTERESTING, SEEMED SOMEWHAT ATTAINABLE AND WOULD HAVE SOME EFFECT.

>> YEAH.

>> Jon: ON THE WAY THAT WE DO, WAGE THESE THINGS IN TERMS OF REIGNING IN THE POWER.

>> AND WHEN THE U.S.

MILITARY IS THE LARGEST ORGANIZATION IN THE WORLD.

SO YOU MAKE EVEN A SMALL DECISION ABOUT THAT ORGANIZATION, IT HAS A REALLY BIG IMPACT.

SO I THINK WE OCCASIONALLY NEED TO GO TO WARP.

I THINK WE NEED A GREAT MILITARY BUT I DON'T THINK WE NEED PRIVATE CONTRACTORS

PEELING POTATOES.

I THINK THE MILITARY CAN DO THAT ITSELF.

I DON'T THINK WE NEED 1800 NUCLEAR WEAPONS, OR A SECRET MILITARY OR CIA.

THERE ARE CHANGES THAT WE'VE MADE RELATIVELY RECENTLY THAT WE COULD DIAL BACK THAT

WOULDN'T BE A HUGE PARTISAN DEAL AND THAT WOULD MAKE ALL THE DIFFERENCE TO MAKING US

FEEL CONNECTED ONCE AGAIN TO THE PEOPLE WHO FIGHT IN OUR NAMES.

>> Jon: I KNOW-- GOOD, GREAT.

THE BOOK IS CALLED DRIFT, BY THE WAY, I LOVE THESE.

THE LITTLE ARMY MEN?

I PRETEND THAT MY SON LOVES THEM.

BUT IT'S ME.

>> FINDING THE GUY WITH THE RADIO, THAT WAS ALWAYS FUN TO ME.

>> Jon: THAT IS THE ONE THAT MELTS FIRST.

THE RADIO ALWAYS MELTS FIRST.

DRIFT ON THE BOOK SHELVES NOW, RACHEL MADDOW.

>> THANK YOU.

(APPLAUSE)

>> Jon: THAT'S OUR SHOW.

THERE IS, YOUR MOMENT OF ZEN.

>> LET'S JUST GIVE CONGRESS A CLEAN SLATE F IT'S SO EASY TO HAVE THAT OTHER BIG

VOLUME GET REN ENACTED THEY CAN DO IT IN A COUPLE OF DAYS T WON'T BE A BIG DEAL.

IF IT'S NOT, BECAUSE IT'S

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