January 17, 2011 - Peter Bergen

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Michael Steele steps down as RNC chairman, and Peter Bergen talks about progress in Afghanistan.

( CHEERS AND APPLAUSE )

>> Jon: HEY, WELCOME TO THE

DAILY SHOW.

MY NAME IS JON STEWART.

BIG SHOW TONIGHT.

MY GUEST TONIGHT VERY EXCITING

PETER BERGEN, THE INVENTOR OF

BERGEN COUNTY NEW JERSEY.

THE WHOLE THING WAS HIS IDEA.

THE AUTHOR OF THE LONGEST WAR,

A BOOK ABOUT THIS COUNTRY'S

TIME IN AFGHANISTAN.

SO THERE'S THAT.

I WANT TO SAY LAST NIGHT I

WATCHED THE GOLDEN GLOBES.

I WAS OFFENDED BY RICKY

GERVAIS.

I WAS OFFENDED THAT A COMEDIAN

COULD BE THAT FUNNY.

AT AN AWARDS SHOW.

RICKY WAS HILARIOUS.

I HOPE YOU HAD A NICE WEEKEND.

OTHERWISE I WATCHED A LITTLE

BIT OF FOOTBALL AS WELL.

I DO WANT TO SAY-- AND

OBVIOUSLY IN OUR AMERICAN

SPIRIT OF CIVILITY, IT'S BEEN

ABOUT A WEEK NOW.

I DO WANT TO SAY IN THAT NEW

SPIRIT TO THE NEW ENGLAND

PATRIOTS, SUCK IT.

( CHEERS AND APPLAUSE )

AND BY "IT," I MEAN SOMETHING

THAT BRINGS YOU COMFORT.

LIKE (BEEP).

ALL RIGHT.

I'M SORRY.

I'M SORRY.

AMERICA IS GONE AS OF LAST

WEDNESDAY WHEN PRESIDENT OBAMA

USHERED IN A NEW ERA.

>> ONLY A MORE CIVIL AND

HONEST PUBLIC DISCOURSE CAN

HELP US FACE UP TO THE

CHALLENGES OF OUR NATION.

>> Jon: CIVIL AND MORE HONOR

DISCOURSE.

WE'VE SEEN HIS PLEA FOR MORE

CIVILITY PAY DIVIDENDS.

>> DEMOCRATS CALL RATHER THAN

SIT APART DEMOCRATS AND

REPUBLICANS MINGLE IS

GATHERING SUPPORT.

>> A CALL FOR DEMOCRATS AND

REPUBLICANS TO SIT TOGETHER AT

THE STATE OF THE UNION.

I CALLED UP TOM AFTER HE DID

THAT.

HE GRACIOUSLY AGREED WE'RE

GOING TO SIT TOGETHER.

>> Jon: OH, MY GOD.

YOU'RE GOING TO SIT TOGETHER

FOR TWO HOURS?

HEY, HOW MANY OF US HAVE TO

GET (BEEP) TO GO TO LUNCH?

AND IN LIGHT OF CURRENT EVENTS

TONIGHT I WILL NOT REFER TO

THE CAUCUS ACROSS THE AISLE AS

DOUCHE BAG CENTRAL.

LISTEN, IT'S A START.

BY THE WAY THAT WAS A NICE

CONGRESSIONAL... WHAT COULD GO

WRONG WITH THAT?

OH, NO!

THAT'S EXACTLY.

NO!

CIVIL DISCOURSE MAKING HUGE

STRIDES.

HOW ABOUT HONOR DISCOURSE.

>> THE FIRST PIECE OF BUSINESS

IS WHAT IS EXPECTED TO BE A

NASTY BATTLE OVER HEALTH CARE.

IN FACT THE REPUBLICAN BILL IS

EVEN CALLED "REPEAL OF THE JOB-

KILLING HEALTH CARE LAW."

>> Jon: TO BE FAIR, AFTER ALL

THE TALK OF DEATH PANELS WE

SHOULD THANKFUL THAT THE

REPUBLICANS DIDN'T DIDN'T GO

WITH THE REPEAL OF THE GRANDMA

KILLING HEALTH CARE LAW.

THAT SEEMS LIKE A GOOD PLACE

FOR THE DEMOCRATS TO START THE

CONVERSATION.

>> THE DEMOCRATS ARE NOW

REALLY TAKING ISSUE WITH THE

JOB-KILLING PART OF THE TITLE.

>> Jon: DEMOCRATS.

FOCUS IN ON SUBSTANCE.

>> THEY SAY IN LIGHT OF TUCSON,

GET ANY KILLING OUT OF ANY

TITLE ANYWHERE.

>> Jon: WHAT?

NO.

NO, NO, NO, NO, NO.

IF IT COSTS JOBS NOT THE MOST

APPROPRIATE WAY TO SAY IT COST

JOBS.

IF YOU DO THAT, YOU GET THIS.

>> THE NEW SPEAKER BOEHNER

SAID YESTERDAY HE TALKED ABOUT

LEGISLATION HE CALLED IT

JOB... WE'RE GOING TO STOP

THIS JOB-DESTROYING

LEGISLATION INSTEAD OF CALLING

IT JOB-KILLING LEGISLATION.

>> I'M GLAD THAT SPEAKER

BOEHNER CHOSE TO VERBALIZE A

DIFFERENT TITLE FOR THAT BILL.

BUT THEY SO FAR HAVE REFUSED

TO ACTUALLY CHANGE THE TITLE

OF JOB-KILLING HEALTH CARE

REPEAL.

>> Jon: AS A DEMOCRAT I INSIST

YOU REFER TO HEALTH CARE

REFORM NOT AS JOB-KILLING BUT

AS JOB-DESTROYING.

BUT OF COURSE I'M A MODERATE

DEMOCRAT.

MY MORE LIBERAL COLLEAGUES

INSIST THAT IT BE CALLED JOB-

EVAPORATING.

WHY DO YOU LET THEM DO THAT?

THEY GOT TO CALL THE 2002 IRAQ

WAR BILL A DIFFERENT NAME NOT

THE TOTALLY AVOIDABLE WAR OF

CHOICE ENDLESS CLUSTER (BEEP)

CREATION ACT.

YOU BLEW YOUR SHOT.

( CHEERS AND APPLAUSE )

OPPORTUNITY.

WHATEVER.

YOU BLEW IT.

JUST OUT OF CURIOSITY.

DOES HEALTH CARE REFORM KILL,

DESTROY, SLOWLY SOP UP JOBS?

WELL ACCORDING TO THE

CONGRESSIONAL BUDGET OFFICE IT

WILL CREATE A .5% DECREASE IN

THE LABOR FORCE.

DUE TO OLDER WORKERS BEING

ABLE TO RETIRE EARLIER BECAUSE

THEY DON'T HAVE TO WORRY ABOUT

THEIR HEALTH CARE AND OTHERS

VOLUNTARILY LEAVING THEIR WORK

FORCE OR REDUCING THEIR HOURS

SO IT IS JOB KILLING IN THE

SENSE THAT GETTING MORE SLEEP

AT NIGHT IS AWAKE KILLING.

THE ACCURACY ARGUMENT COULD

BENEFIT THE DEMOCRATS.

THE SEMANTIC ARGUMENT CANNOT

BENEFIT THE DEMOCRATS.

FOX AND FRIENDS MAKE THAT

POINTS EXPLICIT FOR US.

>> MR. WEANER LET'S START WITH

YOU.

YOU THINK THAT THE REPUBLICANS

ARE TONE DEAF BY CALLING IT

THE REPEALING THE JOB-KILLING

HEALTH CARE LAW ACT.

WHY?

>> WELL IT'S NOT ONLY THE

WRONG TONE BUT WHEN YOU LOOK

AT WHAT'S IN THE BILL IT'S

JUST WRONG.

THE BILL CREATES 300,000 NEW

JOBS.

THERE ARE 160 AMENDMENTS THAT

DEMOCRATS PUT IN THE BILL THAT

ARE MOSTLY TAX BREAKS FOR

SMALL BUSINESSES.

WHEN YOU LOOK AT THE FACT THAT

THE BILL CREATES THESE NEW

SERVICES OF PRE-EXISTING

CONDITIONS....

>> MR. WEANER.

>> LIFETIME BENEFITS FOR

SENIORS.

>> MR. WEANER WE'RE NOT

TALKING ABOUT THE BILL.

WE'RE TALKING ABOUT THE NAME

OF THE BILL.

>> Jon: HEY, MAN.

WE DIDN'T BRING YOU ON HERE TO

SPOUT FACTS.

WE'RE HERE TO BITCH ABOUT

WORDING.

LET'S TRY IT AGAIN.

YOUR ROLE AS WHINY AGREED

LIBERAL WE'LL TAKE IT TO THE

GUEST....

>> LIBERALS DON'T WANT TO

FOCUS ON THE ISSUE THAT THIS

IS THE MOST DESTRUCT STIFF

PIECE OF LEGISLATION TO HIT

OUR ECONOMY IN A LIFETIME.

>> I'LL GIVE YOU THE FINAL

WORD.

>> LET'S FOCUS ON THE ISSUE

BECAUSE THE BILL ALLOWS....

>> THE NAME.

>> THE PRE-EXISTING CONDITION.

SENIORS....

>> THE NAME.

THE PROBLEM WITH THE NAME.

>> Jon: WEINER, WHAT PART OF

"WE DON'T WANT PEOPLE TO

UNDERSTAND" DON'T YOU

A LITTLE EXTRA EXCITEMENT IN

THE AIR.

IF YOU SENSE A LITTLE EXTRA

EXCITEMENT IN THE AIR, A

LITTLE TINGLING IN THE

EXTREMITIES PROBABLY DUE TO

THE FACT THAT THE RNC GATHERED

ON FRIDAY TO CAST THEIR

BALLOTS FOR A NEW PARTY CHAIR.

FIVE CANDIDATE VYING FOR THE

JOB AMONG THEM MICHAEL STEEL

THAT IS KNOWN FOR HIS STRONG

OPINIONS AND FOR HIS DISTRICT

TIFF STREET STYLE.

>> MY STYLE IS MORE GRASS

ROOTS ORIENTED.

I'M MUCH MORE OF A STREET GUY.

IN THE NORTHEAST I WEAR MY

HATS BACKWARDS.

THAT'S HOW WE ROLL IN THE

NORTHEAST.

>> Jon: DON'T GET ME STARTED

ON THE NORTHEAST RICH MARITIME

TRADITION.

SCRIMSHAW.

A LONG SHOT FOR RE-ELECTION.

EVEN DURING HIS OPENING

ADDRESS-- KNOCK YOURSELVES

OUT.

EVEN DURING HIS OPENING

ADDRESS THERE WERE SIGNS IT

WOULDN'T BE MICHAEL STEELE'S

DAY.

>> YOU HAVE ALL PROVEN AND

SHOWN THE REPUBLICAN PARTY IS

A GOOD PARTY.

AND IT IS READY... (LAUGHING).

>> Jon: (BEEP) MAGNETS.

BY THE WAY, WHAT WAS THE LOGO

UNDERNEATH THE RNC SEAL?

I'M BEING TOLD THAT IT'S THE

LOGO OF THE HOTEL WHERE THEY

HELD THE VOTES WHICH IS THE

GAYLORD NATIONAL.

THE LOGO IS A FLAMING G.

I AM NOT THE RNC CHAIRMAN.

I AM LORD OF GAY.

THE VOTING TOOK ALL AFTERNOON

GOING THROUGH SEVEN ROUNDS OF

BALLOTING BUT BY THE FOURTH

ROUND IT WAS CLEAR STEELE

COULD NOT WIN SO HE GRACEFULLY

CONCEDED.

>> I THANK YOU FOR THE

OPPORTUNITY TO SERVE.

AND NOW I EXIT STAGE RIGHT.

>> Jon: WOW.

EXIT STAGE RIGHT.

SO MANY GREAT REPUBLICANS HE

COULD HAVE QUOTED, REAGAN,

LINCOLN AND HE GOES WITH

SNAGAL PUSS.

EXIT STAGE RIGHT.

HEAVENS TO MERGUTROID.

>> I AT THIS TIME I RELEASE MY

SUPPORTERS.

AND I ASK THEM TO STAND WITH

ME IN SUPPORTING MARIA AS NEXT

CHAIRMAN OF THE CAUCUS.

>> Jon: AN ENDORSEMENT EVEN IN

DEFEAT ALLOWING STEELE TO

LEAVE HIS MARK TO HELP SHAPE

THE PARTY'S FUTURE.

MY GUESS IT'S CLEAR WHO IS

GOING TO WIN.

>> ON THE 7th BALLOT ROOIS

REINCE PRIEBUS WON.

HE'S THE NEW REPUBLICAN

NATIONAL COMMITTEE CHAIRMAN.

>> Jon: NAILED IT.

MICHAEL STEELE EXIT.

WISCONSIN STATE PARTY CHAIRMAN

REINCE PRIEBUS ENTER.

YOU CAN'T SPELL PUBIC RE-RINSE

WITHOUT REINCE PRIEBUS.

NOW SOME OF YOU AT HOME MAY BE

SAYING WHAT IS A REINCE

PRIEBUS.

SOUNDS LIKE SOMETHING YOU

WOULD FIND IN AN IKEA

CATALOGUE.

AND YOU WOULD BE RIGHT.

FUN FACT.

AT NIGHT REINCE PRIEBUS TURNS

INTO A BED.

OF COURSE, WE ARE SADDENED TO

SEE MICHAEL STEELE'S TENURE

COME TO AN END AS HIS NUMEROUS

NON-APPEARANCES ON THIS

PROGRAM CEMENTED HIS ROLE AS A

GREAT FRIEND TO OUR PROGRAM.

>> LUNCH MEAT.

THAT'S WHAT I SAID SUGAR

BREAD.

LIKE A DRIBBLE.

>> Jon: YES, IT SEEMS LIKE IT

WAS ONLYIESTER-BIBBLE.

FOR HIS REACTION TO BEING

VOTED OUT WE CHECK IN ONE LAST

TIME WITH MICHAEL STEELE.

HE JOINS US LIVE FROM HIS HOME

OFFICE IN UPPER MARBLEBORO

MARYLAND.

WELCOME, MR. STEELE.

>> AS THE GREAT ALBERT SWITSER

ONCE SAID THE TRAGEDY OF LIFE

IS WHAT DIES INSIDE A MAN

WHILE HE LIVES.

NOW AS I FIND MYSELF PERCHED

ON THE PRECIPICE OF A NEW LIFE,

I FIND MYSELF ASKING, HOW MUCH

OF ME STILL LIVES AND IS IT

ENOUGH TO CARRY ON?

>> YOU SHOULD HAVE SEEN YOUR

FACE.

YOU SHOULD HAVE SEEN YOUR FACE,

MEL ROSE PLACE.

>> Jon: YOU GOT ME.

>> I DID MORE THAN GET YOU.

YOU GOT DUPED LIKE HEARTY

SOUP.

>> Jon: GOOD TO SEE YOU.

WHAT DO YOU MAKE OF YOUR

SUCCESSOR REINCE PRIEBUS?

>> REINCE PRIEBUS.

HIS NAME MAKES NO SENSE.

IT'S JIBILRISH.

WHO IS HIS MOM?

JODY FOSTER'S CHARACTER?

>> Jon: WOW.

THAT'S A DEEP CUT.

>> YEAH, I SAID IT.

>> Jon: HIS NAME IS KIND OF

FUNNY.

>> NOT HALF AS FUNNY AS HIS

FACE.

LOOK AT HIM.

THIS GUY LOOKS LIKE ZIGGY

AFTER HALF A CAN OF ROGAINE.

>> Jon: DO YOU HAVE ANY

SUBSTANTIVE TO SAY ABOUT

REINCE PRIEBUS?

>> I'M NOT SAYING HE'S A DICK

FROM WISCONSIN BUT BRETT FARVE

JUST TEXTED ME HIS PICTURE.

>> Jon: HE SEEMS LIKE A NICE

FELLOW.

VERY NORMAL.

WHAT'S NEXT FOR YOU NOW THAT

YOU'RE NO LONGER CHAIRMAN OF

THE RNC?

>> JOHN, I SPENT MONEY THAT

DIDN'T BELONG TO ME ON LESBIAN

STRIPPERS.

I LEFT THE REPUBLICAN PARTY

$20 MILLION IN DEBT WITH

VIRTUALLY NO ACCOUNTABILITY.

I'D SAY IT'S TIME FOR ME TO

HEAD BACK TO THE STREETS.

WALL STREET.

MAKE YOUR WAY, FRASER CRANE.

IT'S MY BIRTHDAY.

>> J

( CHEERS AND APPLAUSE )

>> Jon: WELCOME BACK.

MY GUEST TONIGHT IS A SECURITY

ANALYST AS WELL AS A BEST

SELLING AUTHOR.

HIS NEW BOOK IS CALLED THE

LONGEST WAR, THE ENDURING

CONFLICT BETWEEN AMERICA AND

AL QAEDA.

PLEASE WELCOME BACK TO THE

PROGRAM PETER BERGEN.

>> THANK YOU.

>> Jon: THE LONGEST WAR.

AMERICA'S ENDURING CONFLICT

BETWEEN AMERICA AND AL QAEDA.

IS THIS OUR LONGEST WAR?

>> DEPENDING ON HOW YOU COUNT

THE VIETNAM WAR.

WE'RE GOING TO BE IN

AFGHANISTAN UNTIL 2014.

AS A MATTER OF FACT, IT IS THE

LONGEST WAR THAT WE'VE ENGAGED

IN.

>> Jon: DO YOU THINK IT MAY GO

FURTHER THAN 2014?

DO YOU FEEL CONFIDENT THAT

2014 IS A DRAWDOWN POINT?

>> I THINK WE'LL BE IN

AFGHANISTAN FOR AS LONG AS WE

ARE... WE'VE BEEN IN SOUTH

KOREA.

>> Jon: WE'RE NEVER LEAVING?

OOPS, DID I LET THE CAT OUT OF

THE BAG FOR SOUTH KOREA?

SORRY, SOUTH KOREA.

NOW, REBUILDING SOUTH KOREA

AND BEING THERE AS A

STABILIZING FORCE IS VERY

DIFFERENT THAN DOING IT IN

AFGHANISTAN.

ANOTHER DOLLAR JUST FELL.

MICHAEL STEELE MAKING IT RAIN

AGAIN.

HOW IS IT POSSIBLE THAT WE CAN,

YOU KNOW,... SOUTH CAREER I

CAN'T IS AT LEAST A STABLE

COUNTRY.

AFGHANISTAN, WE STILL HAVEN'T

GOTTEN IT TO THAT POINT.

>> TRUE BUT SOUTH KOREA HAS

SUFFERED TREMENDOUS DAMAGE

DURING THE KOREAN WAR, WORSE

SHAPE THAN AFGHANISTAN TODAY.

I'VE BEEN VISITING AFGHANISTAN

SINCE '93.

THERE HAVE BEEN SUBSTANTIAL

CHANGES FOR THE GOOD SINCE

9/11.

MILLIONS OF GIRLS ARE IN

SCHOOL.

THERE IS A FUNCTIONING ECONOMY,

KIND OF.

A LOT OF OF COURSE IS A DRUG

ECONOMY.

BUT THERE IS, YOU KNOW, THERE

IS PROGRESS.

>> Jon: DO YOU THINK THEIR

VIEWPOINT... WHY DID RUSSIA...

WHY WERE THEY NOT ABLE TO STAY

THERE AND YET WE SOMEHOW HAVE

MANAGED TO HOLD ON?

>> WELL, YOU KNOW, THE SOVIETS

FACED A COUNTRYWIDE

INSURRECTION.

EVERY CAST AND ETHNIC GROUP.

THEY HAD ONE OF THE WORLD'S

WORST ARMIES AND THEY WERE

HATED.

WE'RE NOT HATED.

62% OF AFGHANS TODAY HAVE A

FAVORABLE VIEW OF

INTERNATIONAL FORCES.

THEY WANT US TO PERFORM NOT TO

LEAVE.

>> Jon: THEY WOULD... IF

YOU'RE AL QAEDA, NOW, LET'S

TAKE IT FROM THEIR

PERSPECTIVE.

DID THESE WARS... WHAT WAS THE

BEST RESULT THEY COULD HAVE

HOPED FOR?

IT'S AFTER 9/11.

WHAT DID THEY THINK WAS GOING

TO BE THE RESULT OF THAT?

>> WHAT THEY WANTED WAS THE

UNITED STATES TO PULL OUT OF

THE MIDDLE EAST AND ALL THESE

AUTHORITARIAN REGIMES WOULD

THEN CRUMBLE AROUND THE

REGION.

NONE OF THAT HAPPENED.

WE WENT INTO AFGHANISTAN AND

IRAQ.

OUR RELATIONS WITH SAUDI

ARABIA AND EGYPT ARE STRONGER

THAN EVER.

>> Jon: THEY COULDN'T HAVE

BEEN THAT NAIVE.

THEY DIDN'T THINK WE'LL ATTACK

THEM ON 9/11 AND THEY'LL GO

AWAY.

>> THEY WERE THAT NAIVE.

WE INTERVIEWED OSAMA BIN LADEN

IN '97.

WE TALKED ABOUT VIETNAM, AND

THAT WAS HIS ANALYSIS.

WE WERE AS WEAK AS THE SOVIET

UNION.

>> Jon: ISN'T THEIR IDEA THAT

WE INVOLVE OURSELVES IN ALL

THESE CONFLICTS AND IT SLOWLY

BLEEDS US?

OF MONEY, OF WILL.

>> THAT'S WHAT THEY HOPE.

THEY'RE NOT ECONOMISTS EITHER.

WE'RE SPENDING 1% OF G.D.P. IN

AFGHANISTAN.

WE SPENT 10% OF G.D.P. DURING

THE VIETNAM WAR.

IT'S EXPENSIVE BUT WE'RE A

VERY LARGE ECONOMY.

>> Jon: BUT TO A CERTAIN

EXTENT THOUGH BECAUSE WE ARE

NOW AN ALL VOLUNTEER ARMY

WE'RE PUTTING AN INCREDIBLE

AMOUNT OF STRESS ON OUR

FIGHTING FORCE, ON THE MEN AND

WOMEN THAT HAVE NOW, YOU KNOW,

CAN WE SUSTAIN THIS WITHOUT

BREAKING THEIR SPIRIT?

>> BECAUSE WE'RE DRAWING DOWN

VERY SUBSTANTIALLY IN IRAQ

THERE IS SOME, YOU KNOW,

FLEXIBILITY NOW IN THE SYSTEM.

I TOTALLY AGREE WITH YOU.

PEOPLE ARE BEING DEPLOYED.

I WAS IN AFGHANISTAN IN

DECEMBER.

I MET SOMEBODY BEING DEPLOYED

FOR THE 7th TIME IN

AFGHANISTAN.

THAT PUTS TREMENDOUS PRESSURE

ON THE FAMILY, THE PERSON, THE

INSTITUTION.

>> Jon: HOW BIG IS AL QAEDA?

DO THEY HAVE... YOU KNOW, I

NEVER UNDERSTOOD WHY WE SAW

THEM AS DANGEROUS AS, LET'S

SAY, THE SPREAD OF COMMUNISM

OR NAZISM.

IT SEEMS LIKE AN IDEOLOGY THAT

CANNOT EVER REALLY TAKE A

FOOTHOLD BECAUSE IT'S A LITTLE

DARK.

>> YOU KNOW, IT PROMISES A LOT

AND DELIVERS ALMOST NOTHING,

RIGHT?

THERE'S NO AL QAEDA SOCIAL

WELFARE OR SERVICES OR

HOSPITALS OR SCHOOLS.

I MEAN IT WOULD BE OXYMORONIC.

THIS IS A GROUP THAT PRE-TENDS

TO DEFEND TRUE MUSLIM.

A LOT OF MUSLIMS HAVE TURNED

AGAINST IT.

THE BUSH ADMINISTRATION I

THINK AND I DEAL WITH THAT IN

THE BOOK TO SOME DEGREE SAW

9/11 IN THE CONTEXT OF A

THREAT LIKE NAZISM OR

COMMUNISM WHICH WAS CRAZY

BECAUSE THE NAZIS INSTIGATED A

GLOBAL CONFLICT THAT KILLED

TENS OF IN ILL IONS OF PEOPLE.

IF THE COLD WAR HAD ENDED WITH

A BANG INSTEAD OF A WIMPER, WE

WOULDN'T BE ON THIS PROGRAM

BECAUSE WE'D ALL BE DEAD.

>> Jon: SPEAK FOR YOURSELF.

BASIC CABLE, BABY.

I HAVE NO IDEA.

I'M TRYING TO FIGURE OUT, YOU

KNOW, THEY WERE ALWAYS... YEAH,

THEY HAVE THIS DARK IDEOLOGY,

WHATEVER.

AND THE DANGER THAT THEY'LL

GET THEIR HANDS ON THE WEAPONS

OF MASS DESTRUCTION.

IT WILL HAVE TO BE LIKE A ONE-

SHOT DEAL FOR THEM.

THEY'LL GET ONE SHOT AT IT.

THEY'LL BE TURNED TO, I GUESS,

GLASS.

YOU KNOW, THE IDEA THAT THEY

COULD PUT TOGETHER A SUSTAINED

THREAT TO OUR SOCIETY SEEMS

UNLIKELY.

>> IT'S SUSTAINED BUT IT'S NOT

AT A VERY HIGH LEVEL.

WE SAW ON CHRISTMAS DAY 2009

THEY ALMOST BROUGHT DOWN A

FLIGHT OVER DETROIT WITH 300

AMERICANS ON BOARD.

>> Jon: THAT IS NOT TO

MINIMIZE THAT TYPE OF CARNAGE

WHICH IS TERRIBLE.

BUT IT SEEMS LIKE TO RESPOND

TO THAT BY INVADING COUNTRIES

AND THEN HAVING TO STAY AND

THEN REBUILD THEM FOREVER

SEEMS LIKE IT MAY BE A

DIFFICULT STRATEGY TO SUSTAIN.

>> I DON'T THINK THEY'LL BE

INVADING IN ANY OTHER MUSLIM

COUNTRIES IN THE SHORT TERM.

>> Jon: YEAH.

WHAT MAKES YOU THINK THAT?

ISN'T THAT... IS THAT BECAUSE

THESE OTHER COUNTRIES WILL NO

LONGER PROVIDE SHELTER FOR

THESE AL QAEDA FORCES OR

BECAUSE WE'RE JUST TAKING A

DIFFERENT TACT?

>> I THINK WE'RE TAKING A

DIFFERENT TACK.

WE'RE INVOLVED HELPING THE

YEMENI GOVERNMENT WITH DRONES

AND SPECIAL FORCES AND SMALL

AMOUNTS OF MILITARY ADVICE.

WE'RE NOT GOING TO INVADE

YEMEN.

>> Jon: AS OF YET.

>> LET'S TAKE A BET ON IT.

I VERY MUCH DOUBT IT.

(LAUGHING).

>> Jon: I HOPE WE DON'T

INVADE... I'M NOT A BIG FAN OF

INVADING A BUNCH OF COUNTRIES.

>> YOU KNOW IT SEEMS.

>> Jon: I'M A HOME BODY.

I'D LIKE US TO STIFLE OUR OWN

CREATIVE DEVELOPMENT.

THE LONGEST WAR ON BOOK

SHELVES NOW.

IT SOUNDS LIKE THERE'S A

GLIMMER OF OPTIMISM IN YOUR

THOUGHT PROCESS.

THERE'S A LIGHT AT THE END OF

THE TUNNEL.

>> YEAH, AL QAEDA IS GOING TO

FADE INTO IRRELEVANCE

OVERTIME.

>> Jon: I WOULD LIKE TO SEE

THAT AS A BOOK TITLE.

THAT IS A BOOK THAT I WOULD

READ.

PETER BERGEN.

>> Jon: JOIN US TOMORROW.

YOU KNOW, I HAVE TO SAY YOU NEVER REALLY EXPECT TERRORISM ANALYSTS TO LAUGH LIKE THAT.

YOU WOULD THINK THAT THEIR LAUGH WOULD BE MORE LIKE THIS.

HERE IT IS YOUR MOMENT OF ZEN.

>> THIS IS THE BEST SHOW I'VE EVER SEEN.

SPIDERMAN IS STANDING ON THE BACK OF THE OTHER GUY, OF THE VILLAIN, OVER THE AUDIENCE AND

THEN THEY JUST ARE SLUGGING IT OUT.

YOU'VE NEVER SEEN ANYTHING LIKE IT.||||||

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