June 30, 2011 - Bill Kristol

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Mark Halperin calls Barack Obama a dick, and Bill Kristol discusses American war strategy in Afghanistan.

>> Jon: WELCOME TO THE "DAILY

SHOW."

MY NAME IS JON STEWART.

GOT A BIG SHOW FOR YOU TONIGHT.

BILL KRISTOL, EDITOR OF "THE

WEEKLY STANDARD," WILL BE

JOINING US.

HE'S A FOX NEWS CONTRIBUTOR.

YET, YET, I HOPE TO TALK TO HIM

ABOUT A LESS CONTENTIOUS ISSUE

THAN THAT, LIKE AFGHANISTAN.

ALL RIGHT.

( LAUGHTER )

WHAT A SHOW.

WE'RE GOING TO START WITH

SOMETHING THAT I FOUND ON THE TV

BOX THIS MORNING THAT WAS MAYBE

ONE OF THE GREATEST THINGS I'VE

EVER SEEN IN MY LIFE.

>> MARK HALPERIN.

WHAT WAS THE PRESIDENT'S

STRATEGY?

>> ARE WE IN THE SEVEN-SECOND

DELAY TODAY?

>> OH, LORDY.

>> I WANT TO CHARACTERIZE HOW I

THOUGHT THE PRESIDENT BEHAVED.

>> WE HAVE IT.

WE CAN USE IT, RIGHT, ALEX?

>> YEAH, SURE, COME ON.

>> GO FOR IT.

>> I THOUGHT HE WAS KIND OF A

DICK YESTERDAY.

( LAUGHTER )

>> Jon: MARK HALPERIN, SENIOR

POLITICAL ANALYST, EDITOR AT

LARGE OF "TIME" MAGAZINE JUST

CALLED THE PRESIDENT A DICK.

AND THAT WASN'T LIKE A

SPONTANEOUS, LIKE, CAN'T CONTAIN

MYSELF, YOU LIE!

LIKE THIS ONE, YOU GUYS HAVE A

DELAY BECAUSE I'M GOING TO CALL

THE PRESIDENT A DICK.

NOW, PEOPLE CAN ARGUE WHETHER

THAT'S APPROPRIATE, WHETHER

HALPERIN CROSSED SOME SORT OF

LINE, WHETHER OR NOT JOURNALISM

HAS LOST ITS PROFESSIONALISM.

PERSONALLY I COULD GIVE A

( BLEEP ).

THAT HORSE LEFT THE BARN YEARS

AND YEARS AGO.

WHAT'S INTERESTING TO ME ABOUT

WHAT HE DID IS NOT WHAT HE DID.

IT'S WHAT HAPPENED AFTER THEY

CAME BACK FROM THE COMMERCIAL.

>> JOKING ASIDE, THIS IS A PRO

FORMA APOLOGY.

IT'S AN ABSOLUTE APOLOGY.

HEARTFELT TO THE PRESIDENT AND

THE VIEWERS.

I BECAME PART OF THE JOKE BUT

THAT'S NO EXCUSE.

I MADE A MISTAKE AND I'M SORRY

AND I SHOULDN'T HAVE SAID IT AND

I APOLOGIZE TO THE PRESIDENT AND

TO THE VIEWERS WHO HEARD ME SAY

THAT.

>> Jon: NOW, NOW, YOU KNEW HE

WAS GOING TO APOLOGIZE.

BUT WHAT YOU DIDN'T KNOW IS HIS

APOLOGY WOULD BE CHAPERONED.

( LAUGHTER )

BY SHOW REGULAR WILLY GEIST'

DISAPPROVING GLARE.

LOOK AT THIS GUY.

LOOK AT HIS FACE DURING THIS

APOLOGY.

LOOK AT IT!

IT IS A PERFECT MIX OF

DISAPPOINTMENT.

IT HAS A DASH OF SADNESS.

A SMIDGEN OF DISBELIEF.

ALL WITH JUST A HINT OF "WHY THE

( BLEEP ) AM I IN SOME SHOT?"

( LAUGHTER )

SERIOUSLY.

WHY IS HE IN THAT SHOT?

YOU CAN'T GRAB A ONE-SHOT?

NOT THAT I'M COMPLAINING BECAUSE

FOR MY MONEY, HAVING HIM THERE

WORKS.

IT HAS THAT LOOK OF, "NO,

MISTER!

YOU ARE GOING TO SIT HERE AND

YOU ARE GOING TO TELL

MR. FERGUSON WHY YOU BROKE HIS

( BLEEP ) WINDOW.

NOW WE'RE GOING OVER THERE RIGHT

NOW."

I ACTUALLY THINK FROM NOW OFROM

NOW ON, THIS GUY WILLY GEIST

SHOULD BE INCLUDED IN ALL OF OUR

APOLOGIES.

>> I HAVE MADE TERRIBLE MISTAKES

AND HURT THE PEOPLE I CARE ABOUT

THE MOST.

>> I'M DEEPLY SORRY FOR MY

IRRESPONSIBLE AND SELFISH

BEHAVIOR.

>> I APOLOGIZE TO THE PUBLIC,.

>> MY HURT CAUSE, YOU KNOW,

SOMEONE ELSE'S HURT.

>> I AM PROFOUNDLY SORRY FOR ALL

I HAVE DONE WRONG.

>> I REGRET DEEPLY ANY INJURY

THAT MAY HAVE BEEN DONE.

>> I JUST WANT TO APOLOGIZE.

( LAUGHTER )

( APPLAUSE )

>> Jon: WHAT?

WHAT?!

I'M SORRY.

IT'S LIKE MAGIC.

THE ONGOING RACE FOR THE WHITE

HOUSE, AND ON THE REPUBLICAN

SIDE, THINGS ARE TRENDING IN ONE

DIRECTION, MY FRIENDS--

>> POLLS SHOW THAT MITT ROMNEY

IS LEADING THE G.O.P. FIELD FOR

2012.

>> HE'S AHEAD IN THE POLLS.

HE'S WAY AHEAD IN THE MONEY.

HE'S KNOT A MUCH STRONGER

ORGANIZATION.

HE'S GOT THE NAME RECOGNITION.

>> Jon: WOW.

MITT ROMNEY IS THE ONE THE

REPUBLICANS ARE TAKING TO THE

BIG DANCE.

ARE THERE ANY DRAWEXPWROOKZ WELL

IT'S HARD TO GET EXCITED ABOUT

MITT ROMNEY.

>> IF THE ELECTION WERE TOMORROW

IT WOULD PROBABLY BE MITT

ROMNEY.

BUT THAT'S ONLY BECAUSE OF THE

LACK OF CHOICE.

>> Jon: WOW.

( LAUGHTER )

THE REPUBLICANS ARE NERVOUS

ABOUT NOMINATING THE MORMON

EX-GOVERNOR WITH PERCEIVED

SOFTNESS ON SOCIAL ISSUES.

THEY'LL DO IT BUT WITH THE SAME

ENTHUSIASM AS, SAY, SOMEONE

TAKING THEIR COUSIN TO THE PROM.

( LAUGHTER )

IT'S BETTER THAN NOTHING.

YOU MIGHT STILL GET LAID, BUT

YOU'RE NOT GOING TO FEEL THAT

GREAT ABOUT IT.

WHAT?!

NO, I'M SORRY!

I'M SORRY!

( APPLAUSE )

I SHOULDN'T HAVE SAID IT!

I'M SORRY!

SO JUDGMENTAL.

ALL RIGHT, CLEARLY, REPUBLICANS

ARE LOOKING FOR AN OPTION.

WHAT ELSE HAVE WE GOT?

>> JON HUNTSMAN MAKES HIS

ENTRANCE IN THE REPUBLICAN

PRESIDENTIAL RACE.

>> IS HE LIKELY TO BECOME THE

SORT OF ANTI-ROMNEY CANDIDATE

FOR THE REPUBLICANS?

>> Jon: THE ANTI-ROMNEY.

HE'S A HANDSOME MORMON

EX-GOVERNOR WITH PERCEIVED

SOFTNESS ON SOCIAL ISSUES.

( LAUGHTER )

HE'S NOT THE ANTI-ROMNEY.

HE'S THE CANDIDATE FOR PEOPLE

WHO WOULD VOTE FOR ROMNEY BUT

ARE CONCERNED ROMNEY HAS TOO

MUCH NAME RECOGNITION.

( LAUGHTER )

COME ON, PEOPLE!

GIVE ME SOMEBODY TRULY

DIFFERENT.

>> I PERSONALLY THINK MICHELE

BACHMAN, YOUR COLLEAGUE, IS

GOING TO BE A REAL CHALLENGER TO

MITT ROMNEY.

>> Jon: THERE YOU GO, MICHELE

BACHMAN.

SHE COULDN'T BE MORE DIFFERENT.

HE'S A MAN.

SHE'S A LADY.

HE'S TALL.

SHE'S SHORT.

HE LOOKS DIRECTLY INTO THE

CAMERA.

SHE LOOKS JUST TO THE RIGHT OF

IT.

( LAUGHTER )

HER CAMPAIGN GOT OFF TO A

RUNNING START WHEN SHE DECLARED

HER CANDIDACY IN HER BIRTH PLACE

OF WATERLOO, IOWA.

>> WHAT I WANT THEM TO KNOW IS

JUST LIKE JOHN WAYNE WAS FROM

WOORTLY, IOWA, THAT'S THE SPIRIT

I HAVE, TOO.

>> IT LOOKS LIKE SHE GOT HER

JOHN WAYNES CONFUSED.

JOHN WAYNE LIVED ABOUT 150 MILES

AWAY FROM WATERLOO.

JOHN WAYNE GACY, WHO RAPED AND

KILLED 33 MEN AND BOYS DID LIVE

IN WATERLOO BEFORE HIS KILLING

SPREE BEGAN.

( LAUGHTER )

>> Jon: HOW DO YOU KNOW SHE GOT

HER JOHN WAYNES CONFUSED?

MAYBE SHE WAS LIKE, YO!

I'M FROM WATERLOO, SERIAL KILLER

STRAIGHT UP.

( LAUGHTER )

JUST GOT IMPLANTS.

NICE GOING, MICHELE BACHMAN.

I'M SURE SHE ENDEARED HERSELF TO

HER HOME TOWN.

I BELIEVE THE WATERLOO CHAMBER

OF COMMERCE SENT HER A THANK YOU

CARD.

( LAUGHTER )

SHE MIXED UP SOME NAMES.

SHE'S NOT SCREWING UP THE

IMPORTANT STUFF LIKE THE ERA OF

HISTORY ON WHICH SHE BASES HER

ENTIRE PHILOSOPHY OF GOVERNMENT.

>> YOU SAID THE FOUNDING FATHERS

WHO WROTE THE CONSTITUTION AND

THE DECLARATION OF INDEPENDENCE

WORKED TIRELESSLY TO ENDS

SLAVELY.

WITH RESPECT, THAT'S NOT TRUE.

>> IF YOU LOOK AT ONE OF OUR

FOUNDING FATHERS, JOHN QUINCY

ADAMS, THAT WAS TRUE.

HE WAS A VERY YOUNG BOY WHEN

WITH HIS FATHER SERVING AS HIS

SECRETARY.

HE TIRELESSLY WORKED THROUGHOUT

HIS LIFE TO MAKE SURE WE DID, IN

FACT, ONE DAY, ERADICATE

SLAVERY.

>> HE WASN'T ONE OF THE FOUNDING

FATHERS.

>> JOHN QUINCY ADAMS MOST

CERTAINLY WAS A PART OF THE

REVOLUTIONARY WAR ERA.

HE WAS A YOUNG BOY BUT HE WAS

ACTIVELY INVOLVED.

>> Jon: RIGHT, BUT HE WASN'T A

FOUND FATHER.

HE WAS NINE AT THE TIME.

IF HE HAD SIGNED THE DECLARATION

OF INDEPENDENCE, THIS IS WHAT IT

WOULD HAVE LOOKED LIKE.

HE WAS A KID.

( LAUGHTER )

( APPLAUSE )

YOU KNOW WHAT?

I'LL GIVE MICHELE BACHMAN

CREDIT.

SHE ACTUALLY MADE A NON-FOX

APPEARANCE UNLIKE OTHER

NONE-ROMNEY REPUBLICAN OPTIONS.

SPEAKING OF WHOM, WHY WAS PALIN

IN IOWA.

>> SARAH PALIN IS IN IOWA

TONIGHT TO ATTEND A MOVIE

PREMIERE.

BUT IT'S NOT JUST ANY MOVIE.

THE FILM IS CALLED "THE

UNDEFEATED" AND OFFERS A

POSITIVE PORTRAIT OF HER LIFE

AND CAREER.

>> Jon: ANOTHER TWO THINGS.

FIRST, THE DOCUMENTARY ABOUT THE

LOSING VICE PRESIDENTIAL

CANDIDATE IN THE 2008 ELECTION

IS CALLED "THE UNDEFEATED."

( LAUGHTER )

SECOND, YOU'RE CLEARLY RUNNING

FOR PRESIDENT.

>> WHAT WE SAY ON THE FISHING

BOAT STAYS ON THE FISHING BOAT.

YOU DON'T NEED TO BE ANNOUNCING

ANYTHING.

>> Jon: YES, WHY ANNOUNCE.

IT WOULD RUIN THIS SLIIOUS WILL

SHE OR WON'T SHE TENSION.

AND WE ALL KNOW THAT'S WHAT

KILLED "MOONLIGHTING."

GOVERNOR PALIN, I CERTAINLY HOPE

YOU'RE RUNNING FOR PRESIDENT,

BECAUSE IF YOU'RE NOT, IF YOU'RE

JUST RIDING AROUND IN A GIANT

BUS WITH YOUR NAME ON IT TO

CATCH CAUCUS STATE PREMIERES OF

A DOCUMENTARY ABOUT YOURSELF?

THAT'S FREAKY.

( LAUGHTER )

DOES THAT MEAN YOU'RE LIKE A

CHIMP IN A FERRIS WHEEL FROM

MICHAEL JACKSON TERRITORY?

I'M NOT APOLOGIZING!

NO, I'M NOT APOLOGIZING FOR

THAT!

I THINK IF SHE'S NOT RUNNING FOR

PRESIDENT, IT'S A WEIRD THING TO

DO.

( LAUGHTER )

FINE.

( BLEEP ) IT!

I'M SORRY!

( LAUGHTER )

YOU KNOW, I THINK I MAY HAVE

ISOLATED THE REPUBLICANS'

PROBLEM.

IT'S NOT THAT REPUBLICANS HAVE

TOO FEW CANDIDATES.

IT'S THAT THE CANDIDATES THEY DO

HAVE ARE DOPER-GANGERS.

THEY HAVE THE HANDSOME MIDDLE

AGED MORMON TWINS.

THEY HAVE THE AMERICAN

HISTORY-CHALLENGED HOTNESS.

THEY HAVE CONSERVATIVE FIRE

BRANDS FROM GEORGIA, AND OF

COURSE A PAIR OF OAK TREES.

( LAUGHTER )

ONLY ONE OF

( CHEERS AND APPLAUSE )

>> Jon: WELCOME BACK.

SO AS MANY OF YOU KNOW, THE

SUPREME COURT'S TERM ENDED WITH

A RASH OF NEW RULINGS.

>> THE COURT STRUCK DOWN A LAW

PASSED BY THE CALIFORNIA

LEGISLATURE IN 2005 AND SIGNED

INTO LAW BY THEN-GOVERNOR ARNOLD

SCHWARZENEGGER THAT MADE A CRIME

TO SELL OR RENT VIDEO GAMES

DEPICTING VIOLENCE TO ANYONE

UNDER 18.

>> Jon: OH, WOW.

THAT'S GOT TO BE A HUGE

DISAPPOINTMENT FOR

SCHWARZENEGGER.

A MAN WHO FOUGHT SO HARD FOR SO

LONG TO PROTECT KIDS FROM IMAGES

OF GRATUITOUS VIOLENCE.

( LAUGHTER )

THE STATE HAS NO PLACE KEEPING

KIDS FROM BUYING VIOLENT VIDEO

GAMES.

BIG DEAL.

YOU KNOW WHAT?

I AGREE WITH THAT.

I USED TO PLAY VIDEO GAMES,

SPACE INVADERS, DOOM.

HOW BAD COULD THE GAMES REALLY

BEE-- OH, MY GOD!

OH!

OH ( BLEEP )!

OH, MY GOD!

I THINK I'M GOING TO BE SICK!

OH!

OH!

THAT ( BLEEP )!

OH, GET SOME ICE!

( LAUGHTER )

CAN THE STATES PLACE ANY

RESTRICTIONS ON CONTENT SOLD TO

MINORS?

>> JUSTICE SLAE IN HIS OPINION--

SALEA SAID GOVERNMENTS MIGHT BE

ABLE TO RESTRICT SEXUAL

MATERIALS BUT NOT VIOLENT AND

OTHER MATERIALS.

>> OH.

WHAT?

SO I GUESS THAT'S GOOD NEWS FOR

TODAY'S GRAPHICALLY VIOLENT

VIDEO GAMES.

BAD NEWS FOR SEXY GAMING

CLASSICS LIKE SUPER MARIO

BONERS.

( LAUGHTER )

( LAUGHTER )

NICE JOB, SAM.

LET'S BE CLEAR WHAT WE'RE

TALKING ABOUT HERE.

FAIR WARNING.

THIS IS REALLY FAIR WARNING.

YOU MAY FIND THIS NEXT CLIP-- IN

FACT I'D BE TRULY SURPRISE FUD

DON'T, IN ALL SHEERSNESS--

SHOCKING AND OFFENSIVE.

IT'S LIKE AN INTERACTIVE,

ANIMATED SNUFF FILM.

IF YOU ARE SENSITIVE TO VIOLENT

IMAGERY NOW MIGHT BE A GOOD TIME

TO GO TO ANOTHER ROOM AND HAVE

FILTHY, DISGUSTING DEVIANT SEX.

IN THIS CASE BROWN VERSUS

ENTERTAINMENT, THE SUPREME COURT

DETERMINED 7-2, THAT THE STATE

OF CALIFORNIA HAS NO INTEREST IN

RESTRICTING THE SALE OF THIS

GAME-- NO INTEREST IN

RESTRICTING THE SALES OF THAT

GAME TO CHILDREN.

BUT, IF WHILE BEING DISEMBOWELED

THIS WOMAN WERE TO SUFFER

PERHAPS A NIP SLIP, REGULATE

AWAY.

PERSONALLY, I DON'T KNOW IF

VIDEO GAME VIOLENCE AFFECTS

CHILDREN BUT I AM WORRIED THAT

THE GAMES ARE AFFECTING JUDGES

THAT HAVE TO LOOK AT THEM, LIKE

IN THE-- IN THE WISCONSIN

SUPREME COURT...

>> JUST ANNE WALSH BRADLEY IS

ACCUSING FELLOW JUSTICE DAVID

PROCTOR OF TRYING TO CHOKE HER

DURING A HEATED DEBATE.

PROFFER DENIES IT.

>> WHAT JUSTICE BRADLEY SAYS IS

SHE ASKED JUSTICE DAVID PROFFER

TO LEAVE.

HE PUT HER NECK IN A CHOKE HOLD.

>> Jon: JUDGES FIGHTING EACH

OTHER.

SOUND LOOK A CASE FOR MY NEW

SHOW "COURT, COURT."

LITERALLY, A BENCH-CLEARING

BRAWL HAPPENING IN THE MIDST OF

OF AN IDEOLOGICALLY CHARGED

DEBATE OVER COLLECTIVE

BARGAINING RIGHTS.

IT'S THE BIGGEST POLITICAL FIGHT

IN RECEIPT WISCONSIN HISTORY BUT

IT'S HE SAID/SHE SAID.

HOW DO WE EVER KNOW WHO IS

RIGHT?

THE ALTERCATION ALLEGEDLY TOOK

PLACE IN FRONT OF THEIR COURT

COLLEAGUES.

>> Jon: OH, MY GOD.

THANK GOD.

EYEWITNESSES.

AND NOT JUST ANY EYEWITNESSES.

THE OTHER SUPREME COURT JUSTICES

PILLARS OF THE WISCONSIN LEGAL

ESTABLISHMENT, THE VERY PEOPLE

ENTRUSTED WITH THE SOLID

JUDICIAL DUTY OF WEIGHING FACT

AND DETERMINING JUSTICE.

>> AND THEY, TOO, ARE DIVIDE

OVER EXACTLY WHAT HAPPENED.

( LAUGHTER )

>> Jon: THE OTHER JUSTICES WERE

THERE AND THEY'RE STILL-- LET ME

GUESS, PARTY LINES.

THEY'RE DIVIDED ON PARTY LINES.

THESE ARE PEOPLE WHOSE JOB IS

INTERPRETING WHAT A DWRUM GROUP

OF DEAD FOUNDERS WERE THINKING

AND THEY'RE CAN'T AGREE ON WHAT

HAPPENED RIGHT IN FRONT OF THEIR

( BLEEP ) EYES.

( LAUGHTER )

I USED TO THINK YOUR REALITY

( CHEERS AND APPLAUSE )

>> Jon: MY GUEST TONIGHT EDITOR

OF THE "THE WEEKLY STANDARD."

PLEASE WELCOME BACK TO THE

PROGRAM BILL KRISTOL.

SIR!

( APPLAUSE )

BILL!

BILL!

WHAT ARE WE-- WHAT ARE WE DOING?

WHAT ARE WE DOING?

AFGHANISTAN.

>> IT'S BEEN A GOOD SHOW SO FAR.

>> Jon: FINE PROGRAM, ISN'T IT?

>> IT IS A GOOD PROGRAM.

I'M TOTALLY WITH YOU AGAINST THE

SUPREME COURT DECISION.

>> Jon: SUPER MARIO BONERS.

>> I'M NOT WITH YOU ON THAT

PART.

LAUGH

( LAUGHTER )

I SAW YOU PLAYING THE GAME.

>> Jon: I HAVE KIDS.

I LOVE VIDEO GAMES, BUT I STILL

THINK THERE IS A CERTAIN LIMIT

TO WHAT-- I MEAN, ONCE YOU START

DISEMBOWELING YOUR MORTAL COMBAT

OPPONENT, I WOULD THINK A

10-YEAR-OLD SHOULD HAVE TO NOT

BE ABLE TO BUY THAT.

>> I THINK EVEN A 25-YEAR-OLD

MAYBE SHOULDN'T BE ABLE TO BUY

THAT.

I MEAN, IT REALLY IS GROTESQUE.

I GET THAT IT'S FREE SPEECH, TO

PROTECT OUR RIGHTS TO POLITICAL

SPEECH, --

>> IT WOULD BE FUN TO PLAY.

I WILL SAY THAT.

BUT, NO--

>> YOU'RED ANY AT IT I HEAR FROM

YOUR GUYS BACK THERE.

>> Jon: SETTLE DOWN.

I HAVE TO HAVE SOMETHING TO DO

DURING THE DAY SPEAKING OF

MORTAL COMBAT.

THE PRESIDENT SAID HE'S GOING TO

PULL OUT 10,000 TROOPS AND

EVERYBODY IS VERY NERVOUS ABOUT

THAT, BUT WE DO HAVE TO LEAVE

THESE PLACES, LIKE AFGHANISTAN

AND IRAQ, AT SOME POINT, DO WE

NOT?

>> RIGHT, AND WE HAVE LEFT IRAQ

IN BULK AND DID SO AFTER A

SUCCESSFUL --

>> HOW MANY PEOPLE DO WE HAVE IN

IRAQ?

>> 50,000.

>> Jon: THAT'S NOT LEAVING.

>> WE WERE SUPPOSED TO SLOPE

DOWN TO ZERO AT THE END OF THE

YEAR.

THAT'S WHERE THE SURGE WORKED.

IT BECAME MUCH MORE PEACEFUL AND

WE DREW DOWN, 130,000 OF FROM

THE SURGE.

PRESIDENT OBAMA'S SURGE IN

AFGHANISTAN WORKED PRETTY WELL.

EVERYONE AGREED WE WERE GOING TO

DRAW DOWN.

I'M WORRIED HE'S DRAWING DOWN

TOO FAST AND ABRUPTLY.

I WISH HE FOLLOWED GENERAL

PETRAEUS' RECOMMENDATION BUT

EVERYBODY AGREES WE'LL BE OUT OF

THE COMBAT PORTION OF IT BY

2014.

>> Jon: AS A COUNTRY, DO YOU

FEEL LIKE THIS IS PROOF POSITIVE

THAT OUR WHOLE MENTALITY ABOUT

FIGHTING THE WAR ON TERROR HAS

BEEN WRONG FOR 10 YEARS?

WOULD YOU SAY NOW-- WOULD YOU--

WOULD YOU STAND AND FACE THE

CAMERA AND SAY-- AND-- AND--

BUTTON YOUR COAT-- AND SAY, OH,

MY GOD.

I HAD THIS SO COMPLETELY WRONG,

GUYS.

>> NO.

>> Jon: BOUT BUTT HOW CAN--

>> THE WHOLE COUNTRY HAS BEEN

ENGAGED IN THIS.

AND I THINK ON THE WHOLE DOING

THE RIGHT THING.

LOOK, A WAR-- A WORLD IN WHICH

AMERICANS HAVE TO FIGHT AND HAVE

TO BE, IN EFFECT, THE KIND OF

WORLD POLICEMEN IS A DIFFICULT

WORLD FOR US.

GOD KNOWS WE ALL HATE TO SEE

YOUNG AMERICAN MEN AND WOMEN GO

OVER THERE AND FIGHT AND GET

WOUNDED AND DIE.

ON THE OTHER HAND, A WORLD IN

WHICH WE DON'T DO THAT IS A MORE

DANGEROUS WORLD.

>> Jon: ISN'T THAT A FALSE

CHOICE BECAUSE A WORLD WHERE,

YOU KNOW, IN TERRORISM WE PLAY

CHAK-A-MOLES.

EIGHT TO 10 PLACES, RIGHT?

IF COVERING TWO HOLES ON THE

GAME COSTS $10 BILLION A MONTH

AND COUNTLESS AMERICAN LIVES,

HOW DO WE COVER-- AND DOES IT

MAKE US ANY SAFER BECAUSE EVEN

STABILIZING IRAQ OR STABILIZING

AFGHANISTAN DOESN'T MAKE IT A

COUNTRY WHERE TERROR ATTACKS

CANNOTTING PLOTTED AGAINST THE

UNITED STATES.

IN DEMOCRACIES, TERROR ATTACKS

ARE PLOTTED AGAINST THE UNITED

STATES.

SO ISN'T OUR WHOLE STRATEGY, AS

YOU AND MY PEOPLE WOULD SAY

WRONG?

DON'T WE HAVE TO CHANGE OUR

STRATEGY IN HUGE WAYS?

>> NO, I DON'T THINK SO.

I DON'T THINK WE SHOULD --

>> REALLY.

I THAT YOU YOU WERE GOING TO GO

WITH ME ON THAT ONE.

I THOUGHT I HAD YOU ON THAT ONE.

>> LET ME CALL MICHELE BACHMAN

FIRST AND GET MY TALKING POINTS

FROM THE LIKELY NEXT-- THAT WAS

EXCELLENT.

THAT WAS VERY GOOD.

>> Jon: THANK YOU.

>> IT'S UNUSUAL.

>> Jon: IT'S NOT JUST THE CLIPS

THEY SHOW ON FOX.

WE ACTUALLY DO A WHOLE PROGRAM?

>> IS THAT RIGHT?

>> Jon: WE DO A WHOLE PROGRAM.

>> YOU DID WELL.

YOU DID WELL.

I WANT TO SAY YOU DID WELL ON

FOX NEWS SUNDAY AND I THINK YOU

HAVE A POSSIBLE FUTURE AT FOX

NEWS.

>> Jon: THAT'S VERY KIND OF YOU.

>> I THINK A FEW MORE TESTS --

>> Jon: STOP IT.

BUT I'M BEING SERIOUS--

>> WE --

>> WE CAN'T DO IT.

>> WE CAN'T BUT WE'RE NOT DOING

IT EVERYWHERE.

IN YEMEN AND SOMALIA WE'RE USING

DROPZ.

PEOPLE WOULD LIKE TO DO IT IN

THE LEAST-PEOPLE-INTENSIVE WAY

POSSIBLE BUT THAT'S NOT POSSIBLE

ALL OVER THE PLACE.

>> Jon: DO WE HAVE UNREALISTIC

EXPECTATIONS ABOUT THE IDEA OF

REBUILDING COUNTRIES THAT WE IN

SOME WAYS HELPED UNBUILD?

( LAUGHTER )

>> LOOK, IN AFGHANISTAN, WE

HELPED DRIVE THE SOVIETS OUT OF

THERE.

WE PULLED OUT OF THERE IN 89, 90

91.

WE KNOW WHAT HAPPENED IN THE

NEXT 10 YEARS, THE PEOPLE IN

EXPWAFG IN TERMS OF 9/11.

I DON'T THINK WE WANT TO GO

THROUGH THAT AGAIN.

IF THAT MEANS WE HAVE TO KEEP

100,000 TROOPS THERE FOREVER,

IT'S A WAR THAT WAS

UNDERRESOURCED UNDER PRESIDENT

BUSH.

PRESIDENT OBAMA DID THE RIGHT

THING, I THINK, IN SURGING THERE

AND I THINK WE CAN DRAW DOWN AS

LONG AS WE DO SO RESPONSIBLY.

IT'S NOT EASY, THOUGH, AND

THERE'S NO ONE SOLUTION FOR EACH

PART OF THE WORLD, OBVIOUSLY.

BUT WE CAN'T TURN OUR BACKS ON

THE WORLD, JON.

I KNOW YOU WOULD LIKE TO.

I DON'T WANT TO FIGHT A STRAWMAN

HERE.

>> Jon: I'M VERY FOND OF THE

WORLD.

( LAUGHTER )

I DON'T WANT PEOPLE TO GET

HURT--

>> AND THE WORLD IS VERY FOND OF

YOU.

>> Jon: RIGHT NOW, THE MILITARY

AND MILITARY FAMILIES ARE

BEARING AN OVERWHELMING WEIGHT

OF THESE WARS, AND IT'S NOT FAIR

WHAT THEY'RE GOING THROUGH, AND

I JUST FEEL LIKE WE HAVE TO COME

UP WAY WHOLE NEW STRATEGY,

THAT'S ALL.

( APPLAUSE )

I'M ALWAYS HAPPY TO HAVE YOU ON

THE SHOW.

>> I AGREE WITH THE LAST

STATEMENT TO SOME DEGREE.

I DO --

>> YOU QUALIFY EVERYTHING.

>> IF YOU GO TO THE PENTAGON

THEY'LL SAY THAT, THE ARMY AND

MARINES ARE FIGHTING THE WAR AND

THE REST OF THE COUNTRY IS

WATCHING.

THERE'S SOME TRUTH TO THAT.

ON THE OTHER HAND IT'S HARD TO

KNOW HOW TO

>> Jon: THAT'S OUR SHOW.

HERE IT IS, YOUR MOMENT OF ZEN.

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