May 6, 2014 - Peter Schuck

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Samantha Bee defends the real victims of the financial crisis, lesbians face discrimination during major life events, and Peter Schuck describes effective public policy.

[CHEERS AND APPLAUSE]>> Jon: WELCOME.

[CHEERS AND APPLAUSE]WELCOME TO "THE DAILY SHOW."

MY NAME IS JON STEWART.

WE GOT A GOOD ONE FOR YOUTONIGHT.

GUEST TONIGHT PETER SCHUCK.

HE IS THE AUTHOR OF "WHYGOVERNMENT FAILS SO OFTEN AND

WHAT WE CAN DO ABOUT IT."

BUT FIRST, AS WE ALL KNOW EVERSINCE THEY VERY INNOCENTLY

CRASHED OUR ENTIRE ECONOMYTHROUGH PURPOSEFUL AND

FRAUDULENT ACTIVITIES --[LAUGHTER]

-- BANKS AND THE BANKERS WHOBANK THEM --

[LAUGHTER]-- HAVE WEATHERED ATTACKS FROM

ALL CORNERS.

>> THE GOVERNMENT IS WAGING WARON BANKS.

>> THEY SAY THAT WALL STREET ISGUILTY THAT YOUR FORTUNES ARE

WHERE THEY ARE NOW BECAUSE OFTHE GREED ON WALL STREET.

>> PEOPLE WANT TO SEEGUYS IN A PERP WALK, THEY WANT

TO SEE BANKERS IN HANDCUFFSGOING TO PRISON.

>> Jon: IT'S AS THOUGH SEEINGTHEM PUNISHED APPROPRIATELY

WOULD BE SOMEHOW JUST OR RIGHT.

[ LAUGHTER ]WELL, GUESS WHAT?

THE VAMPIRES FINALLY GOT THEIRBLOOD.

>> HIS NAME IS KAREEM SERAGELDINAND HIS TRADERS LIED ABOUT THE

VALUE OF HIS MORTGAGE BACKEDSECURITIES AND HE KNEW ABOUT

THAT AND HE SORT OF LOOKED THEOTHER WAY, AND SO HE WAS GUILTY.

>> Jon: HUH.

LYING ABOUT THE VALUE OFMORTGAGE-BACKED SECURITIES AND

LOOKING THE OTHER WAY I THINKWAS THE SLOGAN FOR ONE OF THOSE

COMPANIES, WASN'T IT?

WHY IS HE THE ONLY PERSON TOHAVE GONE TO JAIL FOR THAT

ACTIVITY?

>> HE PLED GUILTY AND HE IS NOWIN PRISON.

>> Jon: OH, HE WANT TO JAILFOR STUPIDITY.

DOESN'T HE KNOW, PLEADING GUILTYIS NOT HOW YOU ADDRESS THOSE

VERY COMMON CHARGES.

>> JP MORGAN IS PAYING $410MILLION TO SETTLE CHARGES WITH

THE GOVERNMENT BUT JP MORGAN ISNOT ADMITTING ANY WRONGDOING.

>> GOLDMAN SACHS SETTLEDEARLY ON IN THIS CASE FOR

$550 MILLION WITHOUTADMITTING WRONGDOING.

>> UBS HAS AGREED TO PAY ABOUT$50 MILLION.

UNDER THE TERMS OF SETTLEMENTUBS DID NOT ADMIT ANY

WRONGDOING.

>> Jon: THAT'S HOW WE DO.

[LAUGHTER]YOU SAY WHEN YOU ARE CAUGHT,

WHILE I CLEARLY HAVE DONENOTHING WRONG, I KNOW YOU ARE A

BUSY MAN AND YOUR TIME ISVALUABLE SO HERE IS A LITTLE

SOMETHING FOR YOUR TROUBLES, YOUKNOW WHAT I MEAN?

GET THE GOVERNMENT'S WIFESOMETHING NICE, MAYBE A TENNIS

BRACELET.

HEY, GABBAGOUL.

[ LAUGHTER ]BUT AS WALL STREET SUFFERS, THE

REAL PERPETRATORS OF FINANCIALDISTRICT WRONGDOING CONTINUE TO

PAY NO PRICE.

I'M TALKING ABOUT OCCUPY WALLSTREET.

I'M SORRY.

I'M SORRY.

MIC CHECK.

I'M TALKING.

I'M TALKING.

ABOUT OCCUPY -- ABOUT OCCUPY,WALL STREET, WALL STREET.

[ LAUGHTER ]REALLY YOU ARE GOING TO

(bleep) DO THAT, REALLY?

THEY REALLY DID BECOME THEPEOPLES MICROPHONE. YOU KNOW,

THESE OCCUPY WALL STREETERSAFTER VICTIMIZING WALL STREET

JOB CREATORS BY DRUMMING INTHEIR GENERAL VICINITY, BY

WAGGLING THEIR FINGERS IN ATHREATENING MANNER OR BY RUDELY

CORNERING THE PEPPER SPRAYMARKET WITH THEIR FACES.

THE OCCUPIERS HAVE GOTTEN OFFSCOTT FREE.

EXCEPT FOR, OBVIOUSLY, THE MASSARRESTS AND PREVIOUSLY MENTIONED

PEPPER SPRAY.

MY POINT IS NOT ONE OCCUPIER HASBEEN SENTENCED TO LONG-TERM

PRISON TIME.

THAT'S RIGHT.

IT'S STILL --[LAUGHTER]

-- WALL STREET.

ONE GUY IN JAIL.

OCCUPY --[LAUGHTER]

-- UNTIL YESTERDAY.

>> AN OCCUPY WALL STREETACTIVIST WHOSE ARREST WENT

VIRAL, CECILY MCMILLAN, FACINGUP TO SEVEN YEARS IN PRISON.

>> Jon: WOO!

AN OCCUPIER HAS FINALLY BEENSENT TO JAIL.

THE ARC OF THE MORAL UNIVERSE ISLONG.

BUT IT BENDS TO MOTHER (bleep)JUSTICE.

[LAUGHTER]THAT'S RIGHT.

IT'S -- IT'S 1-1.

WHAT CRIME DID THIS OCCUPYPROTESTER COMMIT?

I BET THEY SERVED GLUTEN AT THEGLUTEN FREE TABLE OR SHELVED

CHOMSKEY BEFORE ZINN IN THE FREELIBRARY. EVERYBODY KNOWS C COMES

AFTER Z BECAUSE ALPHABETICALORDER IS A SYSTEM

OF HETERO-PATRIARCH NORMATIVITY-- I'M BEING TOLD

THAT MY MAN-SPLAINING FAILED TOCHECK MY PRIVILEGE.

I BET IT WAS SOMETHING LIKETHAT.

>> SHE WAS FOUND GUILTY OFASSAULTING A POLICE OFFICER

BACK IN 2012 AND IT WASALL CAUGHT ON VIDEO.

>> Jon: OKAY, YEAH YOU CAN'TDO THAT. THEY'LL DEFINITELY

ARREST YOU FOR THAT. AND BY THEWAY, DON'T THINK THAT THE POLICE

DIDN'T ALSO GET IN TROUBLE WHENTHEY ASSAULTED PROTESTERS, TOO.

REMEMBER THIS GUY, THE NYPDOFFICER ANTHONY BOLOGNA

AKA TONY BALONEY WHOPEPPERED PROTESTERS WITH

ENTHUSIASM RARELY SEEN OUTSIDEOF CHIPOTLE.

HE WAS PUNISHED, TOO.

HE LOST SOME VACATION DAYS ANDGOT REASSIGNED TO STATEN ISLAND,

WHERE HE IS FROM.

[ LAUGHTER ]SO NOT SO MUCH A SENTENCE AS

BEING RELEASED BACK INTO TO HISNATURAL HABITAT.

SORT OF LIKE THE END OF FREEWILLY.

YOU KNOW, FOR A GUYLIKE TONY BALONEY, I MEAN,

HE COULDN'T BE MORE ATHOME IN STATEN ISLAND UNLESS

HIS NAME WAS JIMMY PEPPERONIHEY, I'M WALKING OVER HERE.

FOR MORE WE'RE JOINED BY SENIORFVU CORRESPONDENT SAM BEE.

SHE'S ON WALL STREETRIGHT NOW. SAM, THANKS

FOR JOINING US. SAM,

>> YEAH, YES JON.

>> Jon: FIRST OF ALL, I'VE NEVERSEEN THE ACRONYM BEFORE. FVU.

I WORK HERE; I'M NOT SURE WHATTHAT IS.

>> IT'S THE FINANCIAL VICTIMSUNIT, JON.

[LAUGHTER]>> Jon: THAT WAS WEIRD, WHAT

THE HELL WAS THAT?

>> THAT WAS MY DRAMATIC STING.HEY, LISTEN, JON,

I'M DOWN HERE ON WALL STREETWHERE EVERYONE IS BREATHING A

SIGH OF RELIEF NOW THAT CECILYMCMILLAN AKA THE MENACE IS

FINALLY OFF THE STREETS.

>> Jon: WELL, THIS MUST HAVEBEEN A VERY DIFFICULT TIME FORTHE

WALL STREETERS TO KNOWTHAT SHE WAS OUT THERE

AND CAPABLE OF LETTING THEM KNOWFROM ACROSS THE STREET

HOW MUCH SHEDISAPPROVED OF THEM.

>> JON, YOU DON'T KNOW THE HALFOF IT.

BECAUSE OF THE ACTIONS OFCRIMINALS LIKE MS. McMILLEN A

LOT OF HIGH RANKING BANKEXECUTIVES LOST THEIR HOMES.

>> Jon: THEY REALLY DID LOSETHEIR HOME?

>> YEAH, WELL THEIRPIED-A-TERRES. AND THEY DIDN'T

REALLY LOSE THEM, THEY JUSTCOULDN'T USE THEM OR A COUPLE OF

NIGHTS WHAT WITH THE DRUMMING

AND -- MANY OF BANKERS ARESTILL IN RECOVERY AFTER

YEARS OF SUFFERING FROM PTID.

>> Jon: PTID?

>> POST TRAUMATIC INCONVENIENCEDISORDER.

[LAUGHTER]BUT IF JUSTICE IS TO TRULY BE

SERVED WE ALSO HAVE TO FIX THISTERRIBLE INEQUALITY.

>> Jon: WHAT IS THE INEQUALITYHERE, SAM?

>> PUT YOUR GLASSES ON, OLD MANBECAUSE RIGHT NOW THESE JAIL

TERMS ARE FALLINGDISPROPORTIONATELY ON THE

FINANCIAL SECTOR.

>> Jon: NO THAT'S NOT TRUE.IT'S ACTUALLY EXACTLY EVEN, IT'S

EXACTLY EVEN FOR THE ENTIREFINANCIAL MELTDOWN.

ONE WALL STREETER WENT TO JAILAND ONE OCCUPIER WENT TO JAIL.

SO, EVEN STEVEN, I GUESS WOULDYOU SAY.

>> I'M SORRY, JON. WASN'T THISABOUT THE 99% AGAINST THE 1%.

THAT MEANS THAT ONE BANKER ISWORTH 99 PROTESTERS.

BY MY COUNT THAT PUTS US 98CONVICTED HIPPIES SHORT OF TRUE

JUSTICE. STING ME.

>> Jon: THANK YOU VERY MUCH,SAM.

SAMANTHA BEE, EVERYBODY.

WE'LL BE RIGHT BACK.

[CHEERS AND APPLAUSE]>> Jon: WELCOME BACK.

[CHEERS AND APPLAUSE]NOW -- WE ALL KNOW THAT TWO GAY

MEN IN A LOVING COMMITTEDRELATIONSHIP POSES A THREAT TO

OUR AMERICAN WAY OF LIFE.

WE ALWAYS ASSUMED THAT TWO GAYLADIES WERE OKAY WITH US.

BUT WE FIND OUT OTHERWISE INTONIGHT'S SPECIAL EDITION OF GAY

WATCH, LESBIAN LIFECYCLE.

♪ FIRST --

[LAUGHTER]-- WE BEGIN --

[LAUGHTER]I DON'T KNOW IF THAT'S A STOCK

PHOTO OR NOT BUT --[LAUGHTER]

FIRST, WE BEGIN WITH ONE OF MOSTIMPORTANT MILESTONES IN A

WOMAN'S LIFE.

YOU MEET SOMEONE, IN THIS CASEANOTHER WOMAN, YOU FALL IN LOVE

AND YOU GET MARRIED AND THEN ANDONLY THEN IF YOU ARE BOTH READY?

>> THE JUDGE RULED THAT TWO SANANTONIO WOMEN MARRIED IN ANOTHER

STATE CAN LEGALLYGET A DIVORCE HERE IN TEXAS.

[CHEERS AND APPLAUSE]>> Jon: THEY DID IT.

[CHEERS AND APPLAUSE]TRUE DISDAIN REALLY DOES CONQUER

ALL.

CONGRATULATIONS.

THE CASE COULD HAVE RIPPLEEFFECTS BECAUSE THE STATE OF

TEXAS DOES NOT RECOGNIZESAME-SEX MARRIAGE AND IN THIS

CASE IS RECOGNIZING SAME-SEXDIVORCE.

>> Jon: THAT'S RIGHT. THERECOULD BE A SLIPPERY SLOPE THAT

WOULD OPEN THE DOOR TO SAMESEX TRIAL SEPARATIONS, SAME SEX

LABOR DAY BARBEQUES, SAME SEXQUINCEANERAS. SAME SEX

BAR MITZVAHS. IT'SA SLOPERY SLOPE.

I'M JUST WONDERING THOUGH, WHYDO THEY NEED A DIVORCE IF

THE STATE DOESN'T CONSIDERTHEM MARRIED?

>> ALLISON FLOOD LESH HASN'TSEEN 14 MONTH OLD KATELYN

SINCE NOVEMBER SHORTLY AFTER SHEAND

HER WIFE OF THREE YEARS DECIDEDTO SEPARATE.

>> Jon: OH RIGHT, LEGALPROTECTION. SHE NEEDS TO GET

A DIVORCE IN ORDER TO GET THELEGAL RIGHT TO SEE HER KID.

RIGHT, WELL THAT SOUNDSREASONABLE.

>> LESH'S WIFE ASKED THE JUDGETO TOSS THE CASE SINCE GAY

MARRIAGE ISN'T LEGAL INTEXAS BUT LATE TUESDAY

THE JUDGE DENIED THAT REQUEST.

>> Jon: WOW, TAKING ADVANTAGEOF THE STATE'S HOMOPHOBIC

MARRIAGE LAWS JUST TO GET BACKAT YOUR EX.

THAT IS IMPRESSIVE TO SEE ALESBIAN PULLING SUCH A DICK

MOVE. THAT IS --[CHEERS AND APPLAUSE]

NICE.

NICE.

ON TO THE NEXT STAGE IN THECYCLE OF A LESBIANS LIFE.

RETIREMENT, A JOYFULREFLECTIVE TIME THOUGH LESS SO

WHEN SAID RETIREMENTWAS NOT VOLUNTARY.

SUCH WAS THE CASE FOR LATTASOUTH CAROLINA POLICE CHIEF

CRYSTAL MOORE WHO CLAIMS SHE WASFIRED AFTER 23

YEARS ON THE FORCE BECAUSE OFHER SEXUAL ORIENTATION.

BUT WAS SHE? WAS SHE?

>> SOME RESIDENTS BELIEVETHE MAYOR FIRING CRYSTAL WAS

PAYBACK. CHIEF MOOREINVESTIGATED MAYOR BULLARD'S

MOST RECENT HIRE. CHIEF MOOREFOUND THE MAYOR

NEGLECTED TO CONDUCT ABACKGROUND CHECK ON SELLERS.

>> Jon: AND, IF HE HAD RUN ABECOMEGROUND CHECK THE MAYOR

WOULD HAVE FUND OUT THAT VONTRAYSELLERS HAD CRASHED HIS CAR IN

A DITCH WHILE DRUNK DRIVING.

SO, IT IS POSSIBLE THIS ISN'T ACASE OF HOMOPHOBIA AND JUST SOME

GOOD OLD FASHIONED SMALLTOWN CRONYISM.

>> THE CITY'S NEW MAYOR EARLBULLARD WHO WAS SECRETLY

RECORDED BY A COUNCIL MEMBER.

>> I WOULD MUCH RATHER HAVESOMEBODY WHO DRANK AND DRANK TOO

MUCH TAKING CARE OF MY CHILDTHAN I HAVE SOMEBODY WHOSE

LIFESTYLE IS QUESTION ABLEAROUND CHILDREN.

>> Jon: OKAY HOMOPHOBIA ITWAS. ALRIGHT, I'M SORRY. NO,

HE'S JUST SAYING HIS CHILDCARE HIERARCHY IS THIS.

HIS FIRST CHOICE, HIS EXWIFE,SECOND CHOICE 15-YEAR-OLD DOWN

THE STREET WITH ADD.THEN DRUNK GUY, THEN

ESCAPED MENTAL PATIENT, THENTORONTO CRACK

SMOKING MAYOR ROB FORD AND THENFIGMENT OF HIS IMAGINATION AND

THEN AND ONLY THEN A RESPONSIBLELESBIAN WHO RUNS AN ACCREDITED

AND LICENSED CHILD CAREFACILITY. SIR, JUST OUT OF

CURIOSITY, WHY CAN'T A LESBIANTAKE CARE OF YOUR CHILD?

>> BECAUSE THAT AIN'T THE DAMNWAY IT'S SUPPOSED TO BE.

>> Jon: SAYS IT RIGHT THERE INTHE BIBLE.

GOD SAYth UNTO MOSES, THOUSHALT LEAVE THY SON TO BE

WATCHED BY YE WHO DRUNKENLYABANDONED HIS CAR IN A DITCH.

SO SAYETH THE LORD.

SO, LESBIANS DON'T GET TO TAKEPART IN EVERY DAY LIFE EVEN THE

BAD PARTS LIKE DIVORCE AND WORK.AT LEAST TELL ME THEY

ARE TREATED EQUALLY AT THE ENDOF THE LIFE CYCLE.

>> IN IDAHO, A NAVY VET ISMOURNING THE DEATH OF HER LATE

WIFE BUT MADELEINE TAYLOR ISALSO MOURNING SOMETHING ELSE.

THE STATE RUN VETERANS CEMETERYWHERE TAYLOR HOPES TO BE BURIED

ONE DAY IS REFUSING TO BURY HERWITH HER WIFE'S REMAINS.

>> Jon: YE YOU (bleep).

CONGRATULATIONS IDAHO YOUFIGURED OUT HOW TO SCREW GAY

PEOPLE FROM BEYOND THE GRAVE.

AND A VETERAN NO LESS. LET METELL YOU SOMETHING,

THIS WOMAN BETTER NOT BEADORABLE OR YOU ARE IN TROUBLE.

>> TAYLOR WAS HOPING THEY WOULDAPPROVE IT SINCE THEIR ASHES

WOULD FIT IN ONE SPOT ON THEWALL.

>> IT'S NOT TAKING UP ANY MORESPACE TO HAVE BOTH OF US IN

THERE. I DON'T SEE WHERETHE ASHES OF OF A COUPLE

OF OLD LESBIANS IS GOINGTO HURT ANYBODY.

>> Jon: IDAHO. YOU ARETELLING ME YOU DON'T

WANT TO SEE THAT SWEET OLDLADY, BURNED TO

ASHES AND PLACED IN -- [LAUGHTER]

-- POINT IS JUST LET HER DOWHAT SHE WANTS.

WE'LL BE RIGHT BACK.

[CHEERS AND APPLAUSE][CHEERS AND APPLAUSE]

>> Jon: WELCOME BACK.

MY GUEST TONIGHT IS THE SIMEONE. BALDWIN PROFESSOR OF

LAW EMERITUS AT YALE UNIVERSITY.ALSO AN AUTHOR,

HIS NEW BOOK IS CALLED "WHYGOVERNMENT FAILS SO OFTEN AND

HOW IT CAN DO BETTER."

PLEASE WELCOME TO THE PROGRAMPETER SCHUCK.

SIR, HOW ARE YOU?

[CHEERS AND APPLAUSE]THANK YOU FOR BEING HERE.

THIS, THIS, THIS, THIS, WHYGOVERNMENT FAILS SO OFTEN AND

HOW WE CAN DO BETTER.

WHY IS THIS NOT MORE A PART OFTHE NATIONAL CONVERSATION?

WHY DO YOU THINK THE NATIONALCONVERSATION IS SO TIED UP IN

CONFLICT AND PARTISAN RHETORICAND NOT THE BUSINESS OF

GOVERNANCE?

>> WELL, A FEW REASONS.

ONE REASON IS THAT PEOPLE WOULDRATHER TALK ABOUT WHAT THEY WISH

WOULD HAPPEN, HOW THE WORLDSHOULD BE, RATHER THAN THE WAY

IT ACTUALLY IS, THE WAY IT WORKSOUT IN REALITY.

MOST OF US ARE LIKE THAT.

SECONDLY, THE GOVERNMENT DOESN'TWANT TO KNOW IN MANY CASES WHY

IT'S PROGRAMS DO SO POORLY.

>> Jon: DO THEY HAVE -- WHATARE THE MECHANISMS OF GOVERNMENT

TO ASSESS THAT?

WHAT ARE THE METRICS THEY USEAND WHAT DO THEY EVEN DO TO

ASSESS IT?

>> THERE'S A FEW AGENCIES LIKETHE GAO AND CONGRESSIONAL BUDGET

OFFICE AND INSPECTORS GENERAL OFVARIOUS

DEPARTMENTS, THEY DO PERIODICASSESSMENTS OF PROGRAMS BUT ONLY

WHEN CONGRESS ASKS THEM TO DOTHAT OR DIRECTS THEM TO DO THAT.

THEY HAVE A VARIETY OFMETHODOLOGIES, COST

EFFECTIVENESS IS USUALLY THEMAJOR CRITERION.

>> Jon: AND, ARE THOSE FINDINGSUSUALLY UTILIZED? ARE THEY

IMPLEMENTED? WHAT'S THE RESULTOF THAT?

>> THEY'RE PUBLISHED. WHETHERTHEY'RE UTILIZED OR NOT.

>> Jon: THEY'RE JUST PUBLISHED.

[LAUGHTER]WELL THAT'S VERY LOVELY.

>> LIKE MY BOOK.

>> Jon: EXACTLY YOUR BOOK ISPUBLISHED.

IT'S PERFECT.

[CHEERS AND APPLAUSE]WHAT YOU DID WHICH IS LONG

OVERDUE IS YOU TRY TO FIND A WAYTO ATTACH VALUE TO THESE

PROGRAMS. YOU HEAR FROM -- ITHINK FOR PEOPLE WHO STILL

BELIEVE GOVERNMENT HAS ANIMPORTANT ROLE TO PLAY IN

IMPROVING PEOPLES LIVES ANDTHEN WE WATCH THEM NOT BE ABLE

TO DO THE SIMPLEST OF TASKS LIKEPROCESS VETERAN HEALTH

CLAIMS IN AN EFFICIENT WAYIS DISHEARTENING.

AND THEN ON THE OTHER SIDE YOUHAVE PEOPLE JUST SAY, WELL IT'S

TOO BIG AND YOU HAVE TO CUTMONEY WITHOUT ATTACHING BIGNESS

OR MONEY TO ANY VALUE THAT ITMAY BE PROVIDED.

>> RIGHT, WELL YOU HAD A SEGMENTI THINK LAST WEEK ABOUT THE V.A.

AND THE COVERUP THAT OCCURREDAFTER IT WAS REVEALED. ALTHOUGH,

PEOPLE WHO WATCH THESE THINGSHAVE KNOWN FOR A LONG TIME

THE V.A. BACKLOGS ARE TERRIBLE.

REALLY TERRIBLE.

THEY ARE REDUCED AND ONCE THEYARE REDUCED IT'S LIKE A HIGHWAY.

YOU REDUCE CONGESTION AND MOREPEOPLE COME ON.

>> Jon: WHY DO THEY HAVE SUCHTROUBLE REFORMING CLEARLY

FAILING OR INEFFICIENT SYSTEMS?

IT'S NOT THAT CLEAR TO A LOT OFPEOPLE.

PEOPLE WHO SUPPORT THESEPROGRAMS CAN FIND LOTS OF

REASONS TO THINK THAT THEY ARESUCCEEDING AND THERE

ARE ALWAYS LOTS OF INTERESTS WHOWANT THEM TO DO MORE OF THE

SAME. SO IT REQUIRES PEOPLE,LIKE ME, AND OTHER PEOPLE WHO

WILL ACTUALLY GO ANDLOOK AT THE DATA REALLY

CAREFULLY AND MAKE SOMEJUDGMENTS ABOUT WHETHER IT

WORKS OR NOT.

>> Jon: YOU MENTIONED THEHOMESTEAD ACT AS A PROGRAM THAT

WAS COST EFFICIENT, YOU KNOW,

A RESOURCE WAS GIVEN BY THEFEDERAL GOVERNMENT TO A GROUP OF

PEOPLE FOR A PARTICULAR PURPOSEAND THAT HELPED US SETTLE THE

WEST. SO, THAT IS CONSIDEREDA SUCCESS.

>> WELL, THAT WAS A RELATIVELYEASY CASE BECAUSE THE LAND WAS

BASICALLY FREE EXCEPTFOR THE INDIANS WHO

HAPPENED TO LIVE THERE AND WEREMASSACRED ALONG THE WAY.

>> Jon: SURE.

>> Jon: I'M SURE ON THEIR "THEDAILY SHOW" THEY ARE HAVING A

VERY DIFFERENT CONVERSATION. [LAUGHTER]

>> THAT WAS RELATIVELY EASY. ITDIDN'T COST

ANYBODY ANYTHING REALLY EXCEPTFOR THE NATIVE AMERICANS.

>> Jon: YOU COULD REALLY JUSTEND EVERY CONVERSATION ABOUT

THIS COUNTRY WITH THATPHRASE, BY THE WAY.

SO IT WORKED OUT,

EXCEPT FOR THE NATIVE AMERICANS.

[ LAUGHTER ]WHAT ABOUT SOMETHING A LITTLE

WONKIER SOCIAL SECURITY?

>> SOCIAL SECURITY HAS BEEN ASUCCESSFUL PROGRAM BUT IT'S

GOING INSOLVENT.

FORTUNATELY WITH SOCIAL SECURITYTHERE ARE A LOT OF RELATIVELY

STRAIGHTFORWARD FIXES THAT COULDBE DONE.

YOU CAN EXTEND THE RETIREMENTAGE, YOU CAN TAX UPPER INCOME

RECIPIENTS.

PEOPLE LIKE YOU.

>> Jon: YES, EXACTLY. KICK ITIN, BABY I'M READY.

>> BUT, YOU ARE NOT 65 YET.

SO, IT DOESN'T MATTER.

>> Jon: YOU HAVE NO IDEA WHATIS GOING ON INSIDE MY BODY.

I'M ABOUT 93.

[ LAUGHTER ]>> YOU CAN INCREASE THE WAGES

THAT ARE TAXABLE.

THERE ARE LOTS OF WAYS TO DO IT.

>> Jon: DO YOU HAVE A SENSETHAT WHAT NEEDS TO BE DONE IS

A MORE ACTIVE MANAGEMENT OFTHESE PROGRAMS OR THERE HAS TO

BE A MORE FUNDMENTAL CHANGE INTHE WAY WE VIEW THE

IMPLEMENTATION OF POLICY?

>> I THINK IT'S BOTH.

IT'S NOT JUST ACTIVE MANAGEMENT.

THE MANAGEMENT IS OFTEN VERYINTERIOR. OUR BUREAUCRACY

HAS BEEN DEBASEDAND DEGRADED OVER TIME. IT HAS

A TERRIBLE MORALE PROBLEM.MUCH MORE SO THAN IT USED TO.

>> Jon: BUT, THAT'S A MANAGEMENTPROBLEM MORE THAN IT IS, YOU

KNOW, THE PEOPLE I TALKTO IN THE BUREAUCRACY

ARE GENERALLY PRETTY GOODHEARTED, PRETTY MUCH WANT TO

DO THE RIGHT THING BUT DON'THAVE THE MARCHING ORDERS.

>> BUT THAT'S PART OF THEPROBLEM.

THERE'S BEEN MUCH MORE LAYERINGOF POLITICAL APPOINTEES ON TOP

OF THEM TO A MUCH GREATER EXTENTTHAN IN THE PAST. SO,

THEY DON'T HAVE THE SAMEKIND OF AUTONOMY, THE SAME

SORT OF SENSE OF MISSIONTHEY USED TO.

IN THE BOOK I DISCUSS A NUMBEROF STUDIES

THAT HAVE INTERVIEWED THEM ANDHAVE DONE A VARIETY OF TESTS TO

SEE HOW THIS BUREAUCRACY ISFUNCTIONING.

IT'S IN DEEP CRISIS.

>> Jon: WE'RE IN THE DEEPCRISIS.

WE'RE ON THE PRECIPICE OFCOLLAPSE. WE'RE GOING

TO COMMERCIAL, YOU'LL BE ON THEWEB AND YOU'RE GOING

TO TELL US HOW TO FIX IT ANDYOU'LL HAVE THREE MINUTES.

WHY GOVERNMENT FAILS SO OFTEN.

THIS IS THE BOOK.

THESE ARE THE CONVERSATIONS THATTHE NEWS NETWORKS I THINK

SHOULD BE HAVING.

>> THEY DON'T.

>> Jon: YEAH, NO. I KNOW.

PETER SCHUCK.

WE'LL BE RIGHT BACK.

[CHEERS AND APPLAUSE][CHEERS AND APPLAUSE]

>> Jon: THAT'S OUR SHOW.

HERE IT IS YOUR MOMENT OF ZEN.

>> DON'T FORGET THIS WAS PRIOR,PRIOR TO OSAMA BIN LADEN BEING

TAKEN DOWN.

AND THE THOUGHT WAS AND THEDISCUSSION WAS IS PRESIDENT

OBAMA GOING INTO THE REELECTIONSOFT ON TERROR OR NOT?

A LOT OF PEOPLE ARE SAYING -- ITWAS AFTER?

MUCH AFTER?

>> YEAH, YEAH, YEAH, A YEAR.

>> MY BAD, I TAKE IT BACK.

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