June 18, 2012 - Parmy Olson

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Greece votes to stay within the EU, Samantha Bee debates whether or not to attend a $40,000-a-plate Obama fundraiser, and journalist Parmy Olson sheds light on Anonymous.

>> Jon: WELCOME TO THE DAILY SHOW.

MY NAME IS JON STEWART.

BIG SHOW TONIGHT.

BIG SHOW.

MY GUEST, CYBER SECURITY EXPERT AND AUTHOR PARMY OLSEN.

SHE'S GOING TO EXPLAIN WHY YOU SHOULDN'T BROADCAST YOUR PASSWORD TO FACEBOOK.

LIKE MINE IS PINK LADY 61.

ALL RIGHT.

MICHIGAN LAST WEEK REPUBLICAN LAWMAKERS WERE INTRODUCING SEVERAL BILLS THAT WOULD CREATE

MORE STRINGENT BILLS ON ABORTIONS AND ABORTION PROVIDERS WHICH WOULD NOT BE NEWS BY

ITSELF BUT IT IS NEWS FOR THIS ONE GLORIOUS BIT OF FLOOR DEBATE

>> FINALLY, MR. SPEAKER, I'M FLATTERED THAT YOU'RE ALL SO INTERESTED IN MY VAGINA.

BUT NO MEANS NO.

( APPLAUSE )

>> Jon: ZING.

THAT'S MICHIGAN DEMOCRAT LISA BROWN WITH A PRETTY DECENT VAGINA ZINGER.

WHICH BY THE WAY IS MY FAVORITE CELESTIAL SEASONINGS TEA.

MMMMM.

OH, THAT'S GOOD TEA.

NO HARM, NO FOUL.

>> MICHIGAN DEMOCRAT SAID THE WORD VAGINA IN AN ABORTION DEBATE.

REPUBLICANS BARRED HER FROM SPEAKING AGAIN ON THE STATE HOUSE FLOOR

>> Jon: HEY, DO YOU BELIEVE THIS LADY BRINGING UP VAGINAS IN AN ABORTION DEBATE?

YOU'VE GOT A LOT OF BALLS, LADY.

WHAT?

OH, NO, I'M OUT TOO.

ALL RIGHT.

FINE.

WHAT ARE THEY WORRIED ABOUT?

VAGINAS AREN'T LIKE VOLDEMORTS OR BEETLEJUICE.

INVOKING THE NAME VAGINA DOESN'T MAKE THEM SUDDENLY APPEAR.

BELIEVE ME, IF IT DID, HIGH SCHOOL WOULD HAVE BEEN VERY DIFFERENT FOR ME.

I LOST MY VIRGINITY AT 81.

THE GIRL APPEALED.

I GOT IT BACK IN '83.

I DON'T KNOW WHAT MICHIGAN IS SO UPTIGHT ABOUT.

IF THEY STATE... CLEAN UP YOUR OWN HOUSE.

IF YOU INSIST THAT THE LADIES OF MICHIGAN USE MORE CONSERVATIVE FRIENDLY TERMINOLOGY WHEN ADDING

THEIR VOICES TO THE WOMEN'S HEALTH DEBATE, VAGINA IS OUT.

CAN NO LONGER BE USED.

THE NEW PREFERRED TERM I GIVE YOU IS THIS.

MARGARET SNATCHER.

ALL RIGHT.

HOW ABOUT [BLEEP].

IT'S UP TO YOU.

WHATEVER YOU WANT TO USE.

THAT'S SUPPOSED TO LOOK MORE LIKE AN ACTUAL M

NO... FORGET IT.

ALL RIGHT.

OUR TOP STORY TONIGHT THOUGH.

THE EUROPEAN UNION.

IT'S A FEDERATION OF NATION-STATES WITH A SHARED CURRENCY MUCH LIKE OUR UNITED

STATES OF AMERICA.

THE DIFFERENCE BEING OBVIOUSLY OUR AMBULANCES GO (MAKING AN AMBULANCE SOUND) WHEREAS THERE'S

GOES) MAKING SOUND) AND THEIR PHONES ARE LIKE (MAKING DIFFERENT SOUNDS.

ANYWAY THE POINT IS IT'S THE UNITED STATES WITH [BLEEP]

AMBULANCES AND PHONES.

IT LOOKS LIKE IT'S GOING AWAY.

EUROPEAN MEMBER-STATE GREECE RACKED BY CRIPPLING DEBT ON THE VERGE OF FINANCIAL COLLAPSE.

LAST MONTH GREEK VOTERS REJECTED PRO AUSTERITY CENTRIST PARTIES AND INSTEAD VOTED FOR BOTH FAR

LEFT AND FAR RIGHT PARTIES IN THEIR PARLIAMENTARY ELECTIONS.

BUT, HEY, THIS IS WHERE CIVILIZATION STARTED MUCH IT'S GREECE.

WE'RE TALKING ABOUT THE INVENTORS OF MATH, PHILOSOPHY,

LESBIANS.

THE OPEN-FACE TURKEY SANDWICH.

IF ANYBODY CAN MAKE A COALITION GOVERNMENT OF NAZIS AND COMMUNISTS WORK, IT'S THE GREEKS.

THE INVENTORS OF THICK,

UNSWALLOWABLE YOGURT.

THE INVENTORS OF BALDNESS.

THE INVENTORS OF SOMETHING THAT LOOKS LIKE A PIE YET IS IS FILLED WITH SPINACH.

THE GREEKS CAN MAKE THIS WORK.

>> Jon: SHE MUST HAVE SAID VAGINA.

YOU KNOW WHAT?

I EXPECT THAT SORT OF BEHAVIOR FROM THE COMMUNISTS.

BUT THE NAZIS?

THIS REALLY HURTS YOUR REPUTATION.

ALL RIGHT.

SO THAT COALITION ATTEMPT FAILED.

SO THE GREEKS WENT BACK TO THE POLLS YESTERDAY TO TAKE ANOTHER TRY AT PARLIAMENTARY ELECTIONS.

BY THE WAY, I SHOULD ALSO MENTION THE WHOLE [BLEEP]

COUNTRY IS ON FIRE.

THAT'S THE STORY ABOUT THE ELECTION AND THE FIRE AND SMOKE IS THE B-ROLL THEY HAVE TO USE

BECAUSE NOT ONLY IS GREECE FAILING FINANCIALLY, THE WHOLE PLACE IS ON FIRE.

I CAN ONLY PRESUME THAT ZEUS IN ANGER SAW MORTALS, THREW LIGHTNING AND THE WHOLE THING WENT UP.

MY POINT IS THIS, HERE ARE THE RESULTS OF THE ELECTION

>> VOTERS HAVE CHOSEN A NEW LEADER WHO WANTS TO STICK WITH EUROPE AND MOST OF THE ECONOMIC

SACRIFICES THAT REQUIRES

>> Jon: GREECE DID THE RESPONSIBLE THING.

YOU DON'T NORMALLY EXPECT THAT FROM A COUNTRY WHOSE WHOLE BLANK IS WRITTEN IN FRAT SYMBOLS.

THE EURO IS PRESERVED.

FOR MORE ON THE GREEK ELECTION AND ITS MEANING FOR THE EURO AS A WHOLE, WE GO NOW TO GREECE'S

FORMER CURRENCY, THE DRACHMA.

>> THE DRACHMA IS BACK, BABY.

PACK MY EXTRA SPEEDO.

LET'S GET BACK TO WORK

>> Jon: DRACHMA, ACTUALLY, WOW,

THEY VOTED ACTUALLY TO KEEP THE EURO.

>> WHAT?

THE EURO?

IMPOSSIBLE.

I HAVE THE STRENGTH OF A THOUSAND EUROS

>> Jon: ACTUALLY TECHNICALLY I THINK YOU'RE WORTH LIKE 1/100th

>> DRACHMA Jon: LIRA?

HEY, JOHNNY, HOW ARE YOU DOING?

DRACHMA, YOU'RE GOING AWAY.

>> LIRA, I'M NOT GOING.

DO YOU BELIEVE IT?

Jon: GUYS, GUYS, GUYS.

YOU HAVE TO REMEMBER.

YOU GUYS ARE PRETTY VOLATILE

>> WHAT ARE YOU TALKING?

Jon: ISN'T THAT WHY YOUR COUNTRY GOT RID OF YOU IN THE FIRST PLACE.

THEY GOT RID OF YOU BECAUSE OF YOUR VOLATILITY

>> NO , NO, NO.

WE'RE JUST PASSIONATE

>> Jon: ISN'T THAT WHY THE POUND IS REALLY THE ONLY EUROPEAN CURRENCY THAT HAS SURVIVED?

>> NO, NO, NO.

THAT IS NOT TRUE.

NO.

( CHEERS AND APPLAUSE )

>> LIFE IS WORTHLESS PIECES OF COMIC PAPER.

I ONLY ASK BECAUSE I'M STILL IN FULL CIRCULATION.

LEGAL TENDER HERE.

I WOULDN'T-SURPRISED IF ANY MINUTE NOW SOMEONE PLUCKD ME OFF UP THE BEACH TO PURCHASE A

CADBURY CHOCOLATE.

JUBILEEEEE

>> Jon: BRITISH POUND, THIS IS MEAN

>> NEVER MIND.

I MUST BE EXCHANGED FOR GOODS AND SERVICES.

I'M VERY VALUABLE.

JUBILEEEEE.

>> YOU SURE YOU DON'T WANT TO GO TO PARTY.

REALLY GOOD.

>> A PARTY?

WILL THERE BE BOATS?

>> WATER BOATS, YES.

Jon: ALL RIGHT.

GUYS, ENJOY YOUR CURRENCY ORGY.

THE DRACHMA, EVERYBODY.

WE'LL BE RIGHT

( CHEERS AND APPLAUSE )

>> Jon: WELCOME BACK.

LAST WEEK HERE IN NEW YORK CITY,

PRESIDENT OBAMA ATTENDED A $40,000-A-PLATE FUND-RAISER HOSTED BY SARAH JESSICA PARKER.

REALLY NICE PLATES.

OUR CELEBRITY STUDDED FUND RAISING EVENTS, ARE THEY APPROPRIATE IN THESE TROUBLED TIMES?

IS A MAPT A BEE HAS MORE

>> Reporter: AS A FAMOUS PERSON IN NEW YORK I SCIEP WITH A LOT OF MY FAMOUS FRIENDS.

PRESIDENT OBAMA AND MICHELLE ARE COMING TO MY HOUSE FOR DINNER ON JUNE 14.

I WANT YOU TO BE THERE TOO.

>> ME?

OH, MY GOD.

LET ME GET THIS DOWN.

YOU'RE TALKING TOO FAST

>> GO TO JOIN OBAMA DOT-COM FOR YOUR CHANCE TO WIN AND THE CONTEST ENDS TOMORROW NIGHT

BECAUSE WE NEED HIM AND HE NEEDS US

>> HE NEEDS ME.

BUT WHY NOW?

IT'S BEEN FOUR YEARS.

I'M NOT SURE HOW I FEEL ABOUT THIS?

SHOULD I GO TO THE PARTY OR NOT?

>> WHY ARE YOU NOT MOVING?

HELLO.

ARE YOU OKAY?

I FELT LIKE I NEEDED THE ADVICE OF ONE OF MY BEST PALS.

DID IT FEEL LIKE FOUR YEARS AGO HE WAS SO... NOW ALL HE EVER DOES IS ASK ME FOR MONEY.

>> BUT WHAT THE CAMPAIGN NEEDS MORE THAN ANYTHING IS HUNDREDS OF MILLIONS OF DOLLARS.

THEY'RE GOING TO GET THAT AND LOOK FOR THAT WHEREVER THEY CAN

>> WHAT ABOUT MY NEEDS?

I HAVE NEEDS TOO.

>> BARACK WOULD TELL YOU, LOOK,

HE'S BEEN TRYING TO MEET THE NEEDS IN THE ECONOMY WHERE THEY'VE ADDED OR SAVED AT LEAST

FOUR MILLION JOBS, IN HEALTH CARE WHERE THEY PASSED A BIG HEALTH CARE BILL

>> I HAVE SOME OPINIONS ABOUT THIS

>> HE FOLLOWS ME EVERYWHERE AVE YOU TRIED TO CALL HIM?

WHAT?

MAYBE PLAN A FUN WEEKEND AND GIVE HIM A SELECTION OF TEAS.

>> I'M SORRY.

WE'RE ACTUALLY HAVING A PRIVATE CONVERSATION.

>> SORRY.

I WAS EVEN MORE CONFUSED.

HE SEEMED TO THINK THESE FUND-RAISERS WERE JUST BUSINESS AS USUAL.

IT JUST FELT SO DIRTY TO ME.

AND SPEAKING OF DIRTY... THAT WAS AMAZING.

WHAT WAS THAT THING YOU WERE SAYING BEFORE?

WOW.

>> WELL, THE SUPREME COURT HAS DESTROYED THE CAMPAIGN FINANCE LAWS IN THIS COUNTRY.

I MEAN, THEY'VE OPENED THE DOORS, UNLEASHED UNLIMITED CONTRIBUTIONS, SECRET MONEY

>> IN THE FIVE MINUTES THAT I'VE KNOWN YOU, ALL YOU TALK ABOUT IS MONEY, MONEY, MONEY.

>> ALL OF THIS MONEY IS CORRUPTING OUR POLITICS.

BY THE WAY, SARAH JESSICA PARKER, THAT WAS YEARS AND YEARS AGO.

WHY ARE WE DOING THIS SCENE?

>> YOU KNOW WHAT?

I HAVE TO SAY YOU'RE REALLY BEING A DOWNER.

OH, MY GOSH.

YOU'VE BEEN SITTING THERE THIS WHOLE TIME?

OKAY.

CAN YOU NOT TAKE THE TEMPERATURE OF A ROOM?

THINGS ARE TENSE HERE.

>> Reporter: I WAS GETTING A LOT OF MIXED MESSAGES.

I NEEDED HELP SO I RACED OVER TO SEE JESS.

I CAN'T WAIT TO SHOW HER MY KILLER NEW SHOES.

SOMEBODY, HELP ME.

MY SHOES ARE SO COMFORTABLE.

I NEEDED TO BE QUOTED BY SOMEONE NEW.

>> OH, NO, I JUST FEEL LIKE I DON'T HAVE A LOT OF OPTIONS.

THERE IS THIS ONE OTHER GUY FROM MASSACHUSETTS.

HE'S A BILLIONAIRE.

IT'S JUST SO WEIRD, YOU KNOW

>> YEAH.

I'M SORRY.

WHO ARE YOU IN THIS?

>> I'M THE BLACK FRIEND THERE WEREN'T ANY BLACK FRIENDS THOUGH.

GET ME OUT OF THIS AWKWARD SOCIAL SITUATION.

MY FRIEND ESSY WOULD KNOW WHAT TO DO.

SHE ALWAYS GRIFFS ME SUCH GOOD ADVICE

>> IT LOOKS BACK.

IT'S BAD FOR OBAMA TO THROW THIS FUND-RAISER AND HOBNOB WITH HOLLYWOOD CELEBRITIES WHEN WE

STILL HAVE 82.2% UNEMPLOYMENT

>> SOMETIMES SHE GIVES TOO MUCH ADVICE

>> A LOT PEOPLE IN THE PRIVATE SECTOR...

>> YOU'RE HAVING A MONO LOG MOMENT.

SHE NEVER HAD A GOOD THING TO SAY ABOUT HIM ANYWAY.

YOU KNOW, HE MAY HAVE BROKEN PROMISES TO ME.

BUT I WAS GOING TO BE THERE FOR HIM.

BUT AS IT TURNS OUT, I WASN'T QUITE ACTUALLY DIRECTLY INVITED.

WOULD YOU MIND?

AND IT COST $40,000 CASH TO GET IN.

DO YOU ACCEPT AM-EX?

>> NO, MA'AM I GUESS I DIDN'T REALLY HAVE WHAT HE NEEDED RIGHT NOW,

POWERFUL FRIENDS AND AN ENORMOUS AND AVAILABLE LINE OF CREDIT.

WELCOME BACK.

MY GUEST TONIGHT IS THE LONDON BUREAU CHIEF FOR FORBES MAGAZINE.

HER NEW BOOK IS CALLED WE ARE ANONYMOUS.

INSIDE THE HACKER WORLD AND THE GLOBAL CYBER INSURGENCY.

PLEASE WELCOME TO THE SHOW PARMY OLSEN.

HELLO.

( APPLAUSE ) NICE TO SEE YOU

>> NICE TO SEE YOU Jon: THANK YOU FOR JOINING US.

THE BOOK IS CALLED "WE ARE ANONYMOUS." OBVIOUSLY YOU COULD CHANGE THE

TENSE OF THAT NOW THAT THERE'S A THICK BOOK WRITTEN ABOUT IT.

IT COULD BE "WE WERE" ANONYMOUS.

>> YES Jon: AND THEN THIS LADY CAME.

SHE WROTE THIS BOOK.

AND NOW WE'RE GOING TO RUIN HER LIFE.

WAS THAT A CONCERN WHEN YOU FIRST GOT INVOLVED IN THIS?

>> DON'T GIVE ME ANY IDEAS Jon: OF COURSE NOT.

ARE YOU KIDDING.

I DON'T EVEN HAVE A COMPUTER.

>> I WAS CONCERNED ABOUT THAT BUT WHEN I STARTED WRITING THE BOOK BEFORE I EVEN STARTED

WRITING THE BOOK WHEN I WAS DOING THE REPORTING FOR FORBES I JUST BECAME INTERESTED IN THIS

KIND OF SECRET OR MYSTERIOUS KIND OF SUB CULTURE THAT WAS COMING FROM THE INTERNET.

I JUST WANTED TO KNOW MORE ABOUT IT BECAUSE ALL THE REPORTS THAT WERE OUT THERE AT THE TIME WERE

REHASHES OF OTHER REPORTS.

NOT MANY PEOPLE WERE ACTUALLY SPEAKING TO THE PEOPLE IN THE NETWORK AND IN THAT COMMUNITY.

>> Jon: HOW DO YOU FIND SOMEONE?

DO YOU PUT IT ON... DO YOU WRITE ON CRAIGSLIST "LOOKING FOR..."

>> THEY HAVE THEIR CHAT NETWORKS THAT YOU CAN GO ON TO BUT I STARTED JUST BY ASKING ONE

REPRESENTATIVE TO SPEAK.

THE U.K. REPRESENTATIVE.

AND THEN THAT U.K.

REPRESENTATIVE ENDED UP BEING QUITE A SENIOR FIGURE IN THE MOVEMENT.

HE WAS CONNECTING ME TO OTHER PEOPLE AND OTHER PEOPLE.

YOU JUST START KIND OF WITH ONE PERSON AND GOING ON TO THE NEXT

>> Jon: DO YOU TALK TO THEM VIA COMPUTER OR DO YOU ACTUALLY SIT DOWN WITH THEM?

>> EVENTUALLY THAT IS WHAT I TRIED TO DO.

BECAUSE JUST AS A JOURNALIST YOU WANT TO MEET FACE TO FACE WITH PEOPLE IF YOU CAN.

I HAD TO BUILD UP MONTHS OF TRUST AND CONVERSATIONS WITH PEOPLE ONLINE AND THEN, YOU

KNOW, PHONE CALLS AND THEN EVENTUALLY A FEW OF THEM AGREED TO MEET ME FACE TO FACE.

SOME OF THEM...

>> Jon: LET'S BE HONEST.

WE ARE ALL GOING TO BE WORKING FOR THEM.

IF THEY UNDERSTAND HOW...

BECAUSE FERG IS ONLINE.

IF YOU UNDERSTAND HOW TO MAN UP LAWLT THAT OR GO INTO THAT, YOU WIN, RIGHT?

>> PRETTY MUCH.

THAT'S WHAT THEY'RE KIND OF DOING.

THEY'RE VERY GOOD AT BEING A STEP AHEAD OF THE AUTHORITIES AND THE WHITE HAT SECURITY INDIVIDUALS.

YOU KNOW, WE LIVE SO MUCH OF OUR LIVES ONLINE NOW.

WE ALL HAVE FACEBOOK PROFILES AND TWITTER.

WE THINK THROUGH GOOGLE PRACTICALLY

>> Jon: WHAT ARE THOSE AGAIN?

FACEBOOK.

FAIR ENOUGH

>> TWITTER IS ANOTHER ONE Jon: NOTE TO SELF.

UP DATE YOUR FRIEND PAGE.

I STILL HAVE HOURS LEFT ON MY A.O.L. DISK.

SO THEY HAVE THIS ABILITY.

WHAT IS THE PURPOSE THEN OF WHAT THEY'RE TRYING TO DO OR WAS THERE NOT... IS IT NOT...

>> THERE'S LOTS OF DIFFERENT,

DISPARITY.

IT STARTED OFF MAYBE ABOUT EIGHT YEARS AGO WITH IMAGE BOARD.

PEOPLE JUST TRYING TO MESS WITH OTHER PEOPLE.

>> Jon: WHAT IS THAT?

IT'S A DISCUSSION FORUM.

ONE OF THE MOST FAMOUS IS CALLED CALLED... MILLIONS OF PEOPLE VISIT IS EVERY MONTH.

THEY'RE ALL FORCED TO BE ANONYMOUS.

THEY STARTED DOING THINGS TOGETHER LIKE RAIDING OTHER WEBSITES.

IN 2008 THEY ACTUALLY TRIED TO HAVE A SERIOUS PROTEST AGAINST THE CHURCH OF SCIENTOLOGY.

THAT'S WHEN IT STARTED GETTING MORE SERIOUS NOT JUST DOING THINGS FOR FUN TO PRANK PEOPLE

FOR, YOU KNOW, TO MAKE THEMSELVES LAUGH AT OTHER PEOPLE'S EXPENSE BUT TO TRY AND

GIVE IT MORE OF A KIND OF ACTIVIST DIRECTION.

>> Jon: THE CHURCH OF SCIENTOLOGY HAVE HAVE A GREAT SENSE OF HUMOR.

I CAN'T SEE HOW THAT WOULD IN ANYWAY CAUSE AN ISSUE

>> THEY WERE TROLL BAIT.

Reporter: WHO IS THAT?

TROLLING IS WHEN YOU PULL A PRANK ON SOMEONE TO TRY AND GET AN EMOTIONAL REACTION.

THAT'S WHAT ANONYMOUS WAS DOING WITH SCIENTOLOGY.

THEY WERE POKING AT THEM AND RAIDING THEIR WEB SIGHT SIGHS.

THE MORE SCIENTOLOGY FOUGHT BACK, THE MORE ANONYMOUS KEPT GOING.

THAT WAS THEIR BIGGEST RAID UP UNTIL THAT POINT.

>> Jon: ARE THERE ANYWHERE NEAR AS SOME'S TICKETED AS THESE GUYS

IN TERMS OF THEIR COMPUTER AGILITY?

>> WELL THAT'S ONE THING I WANTED TO MAKE A POINT OF IN THE

BOOK WAS THAT, YOU KNOW, IN THE NEWS MEDIA WE HAVE THIS IMPRESSION OF ANONYMOUS AS BEING

A BIG MAN HE HAVE LENT CALCULATING ORGANIZATION WHEN ACTUALLY MOST OF THEM AREN'T HACKERS.

THEY'RE JUST PEOPLE WHO HAVE GROWN UP WITH THE INTERNET.

THEY UNDERSTAND ON-LINE CULTURE REALLY WELL.

>> Jon: YOU DON'T NEED TO HAVE A... YOU DON'T NEED TO BE ABLE

TO GO IN TO CODE AND BE LIKE BLUE CODE OR RED CODE.

WHAT DO YOU WANT?

IT'S NOT AT THAT LEVEL?

YOU CAN DO THIS WITH MORE BASIC KNOWLEDGE

>> YOU HAVE A PEOPLE WHO ARE THE CORE CONSTITUENTS WHO ARE SKILLD HACKERS.

MOST OF THEM ARE THERE TO HELP ALMOST PROMOTE THE NAME.

THERE ARE ALSO LOTS OF LEGAL WAYS THAT YOU CAN HAVE DIGITAL ACTIVISM.

BUT A LOT OF... YOU KNOW,

THERE'S FREE WEB TOOLS YOU CAN DOWNLOAD THAT WILL AUTOMATE A WEB ATTACK FOR YOU.

>> Jon: REALLY?

YOU CAN STEAL DATA FROM A WEBSITE

>> Jon: GET ME WEB-ATTACK AND I WILL JUST DO IT?

>> PRETTY MUCH.

Jon: THAT'S WILD.

YOU CAN WRITE THIS DOWN.

Jon: I DON'T THINK I'M GOING TO DO IT BECAUSE I'M SURE LIKE

KNOWING ME IT WOULD BE LIKE A GUY IS THAT A BAZOOKA.

WHICH END DO YOU (POWE).

I WOULDN'T EVEN KNOW WHAT TO DO

>> ON YOUR NEW FACE BOOK PAGE Jon: I'M SURE GOVERNMENTS OR SOME OTHER ORGANIZATIONS HAVE

VERY SOPHISTICATED TECHNOLOGY AS WELL.

DO THEY FEAR THAT TYPE OF TECHNOLOGY, YOU KNOW, COMING BACK ON THEM TO SOME EXTENT?

>> I DON'T THINK, IF YOU MEAN OUR GOVERNMENT IS AFRAID OF ANONYMOUS

>> Jon: NO, NO, NO, THE KIDS...

SOME OF THESE ARE NOT... THEY'RE JUST GOOD AT SOCIAL NETWORKING.

ARE THEY AFRAID OF THE KIND OF HIGH-TECH WEIRD STUFF THAT WE DO IN THE C.I.A. AND THAT KIND OF

STUFF AFFECTING THEM?

>> IT'S A VERY PARANOID WORLD IN ANONYMOUS.

THERE WAS A LOT OF HABITUAL LYING AND PEOPLE PUTTING ON FALSE IDENTITIES

>> Jon: WE'RE TALKING ABOUT THE GOVERNMENT NOW OR ANONYMOUS?

>> YOU COULD SAY IT ABOUT BOTH THINGS.

ONE OF MY KEY INTERVIEWEES WAS,

YOU KNOW, PUTTING THEMSELVES ACROSS AS A 16-YEAR-OLD GIRL.

THEY WERE USING THAT IDENTITY FOR YEARS.

>> Jon: IT'S A CRAZY...

IT'S ALL ABOUT MANIPULATING PEOPLE'S PERCEPTIONS.

THAT PROBABLY IS THE BIGGEST POWER OF ANONYMOUS.

PEOPLE THINK IT'S HACKING BUT ACTUALLY IT'S NOT.

IT'S THEIR ABILITY TO CREATE THIS MIRAGE OF POWER AND SCALE AND FEAR AS WELL.

>> Jon: WILD.

INCREDIBLE STORY.

WE ARE ANONYMOUS.

ON THE BOOK SHELVES NOW.

THANK YOU SO MUCH.

( APPLAUSE )

>> Jon: THAT'S OUR SHOW.

JOIN US TOMORROW NIGHT AT 11:00.

FLORIDA SENATOR MARCO RUBIO WILL BE IN THE STUDIO TO ANNOUNCE HIS CANDIDACY FOR VICE PRESIDENT.

I SAID NOT KNOWING IF THAT WERE TRUE.

BUT HE WILL BE HERE.

HERE IT IS YOUR MOMENT OF ZEN.

>> I'M ABOUT TO SAY A WORD THAT SOME OF YOU WILL FIND OFFENSE I

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