May 15, 2014 - Jim Parsons

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India holds elections for prime minister, aging incumbents continue to run for Congress, and Jim Parsons discusses AIDS activism and "The Normal Heart."

>> Jon: WELCOME TO "THE DAILYSHOW"!

MY NAME IS JON STEWART. JIMPARSONS IS GOING TO BE

JOINING US IN THE STUDIOTONIGHT.

BUT FIRST, INDIA, A LAND OFTECHNOLOGICAL WIZARDS IS INDIA,

COLORED POWDERS, BREAD THATAPPEARS TO NEED SAUCE AND

CHEESE, A MYSTERIOUS AND EXOTICPLACE UNLESS YOU'RE ONE OF THE

1.3 BILLION PEOPLE WHO LIVETHERE, THEN YOU PROBABLY DON'T

REDUCE IT TO ONE OF THE THREECULTURAL STEREOTYPES THAT WE

AMERICANS ARE AWARE OF --OH, AND CRAZY SEX POSITIONS,

FOUR STEREOTYPES. ANYWAY, THEPOINT IS,

INDIA HAD AN ELECTION. IT'S THESUBJECT OF TONIGHT'S

DEMOCALYPSE 2014 SUBCONTINENTALEDITION. NOW, IF I REMEMBER

CORRECTLY, INDIAN CAMPAIGNSEASON JUST STARTED HEATING UP.

>> AFTER FIVE WEEKS OFBALLOTING, VOTING IN INDIA'S

MARATHON ELECTION IS NOW OVERAND THE COUNTRY WAITS TO SEE WHO

WILL BECOME THE NEXT PRIMEMINISTER.

>> AH OVER. I DIDN'T MEANHEATING UP. I MEANT IT'S OVER.

NOW WHAT AM I SUPPOSED TO WATCHON INDIAN TV? I MEAN,

IT'S MONTHS UNTIL THE NEW SEASONOF "REAL HOUSEWIVES OF

ARUNACHAL PRADESH." I REALLY,

I REALLY HOPE I SAID THATSOMEWHERE NEAR CORRECTLY.

(LAUGHTER)ANYWAY, THE RESULTS ARE NOT

FINAL YET. WHO'SIN THE RUNNING?

>> LEADING THE RULING INDIANATIONAL CONGRESS PARTY IS RAHUL

GANDHI.

>> OOH, IT'S A GANDHI. CALL ITALL, IT'S A GANDHI.

HE HAPPENS TO BE THE SON OFPRIME MINISTER

RAJIV GANDHI, GRANDSON OF PRIMEMINISTER INDIRA GANDHI AND IN NO

WAY RELATED TO THE ONLY GANDHIYOU'RE THINKING OF.

BASICALLY, IT'S INDIA.

PEOPLE ARE TRIPPING OVERGANDHIS.

HOW DOES THAT GUY NOT WIN?

>> THE FRONTRUNNER FOR THE JOBIS NARENDRA MODI.

>>HE'S THE LEADER OF THE MAINOPPOSITION PARTY.

>> MODI IS THE CHIEF MINISTER OFTHE STATE OF GUJARAT.

>> HE'S PROMISING THE COUNTRYSTRONGER LEADERSHIP AND FASTERGROWTH.

>> WHAT HE DID INGUJARAT IS JUST AMAZING,

CHIEF MINISTER WITH 5% OF THEPOPULATION

HE CAPTURED 25% OF THE EXPORTSOF THE ENTIRE COUNTRY.

>> IT'S A GUJARAT MIRACLE. EVERYEXOTIC MARIGOLD HOTEL

IN GUJARAT UPGRADED TOBEST, ALL THE SLUMDOGS

IN GUJARAT NOW MILLIONAIRES. I'DLOVE,

I'D LOVE TO DO MORE OF THOSEJOKES, BUT I DON'T KNOW ANY

OTHER MOVIES ABOUTINDIA. I'M SORRY.

THIS GUY SOUNDS INCREDIBLE.

ONCE AGAIN, I CONFIDENTLY DO NOTSEE WHAT THE PROBLEM WOULD BE.

>> IN 2002, MODI WAS CHIEFMINISTER OF GUJARAT WHEN RIOTS

BROKE OUT THAT PITTED THE MUSLIMMINORTY AGAINST THE HINDU

MAJORITY.

AS MANY AS A THOUSAND MUSLIMSWERE KILLED.

MODI WAS ACCUSED OF NOT DOINGENOUGH TO STOP THE VIOLENCE.

THE U.S. REVOKED HIS VISA OVERIT.

CAN THE OBAMA ADMINISTRATIONFIND A PARTNER IN A LEADER THERE

WHO WON'T BE ALLOWED IN THEUNITED STATES?

>> THAT DOES TEND TO STRAINRELATIONS WHEN THE TWO LEADERS

CAN'T BE IN THE SAME COUNTRY ATTHE SAME TIME.

ON THE UPSIDE, GREATTEST-RUN FOR AMERICA'S NEW DRONE

DIPLOMACY PROGRAM.

BUT, MODI ASSURES VOTERS HE'SFOCUSED ON IMPROVING INDIA'S

INFRASTRUCTURE NOT DIVISIVERELIGIOUS POLITICS. A STANCE

ENCAPSULATED IN HIS SLOGAN, THISIS TRUE, "TOILETS NOT TEMPLES."

OBVIOUSLY IT WAS NOT THE FIRSTONE THEY CAME UP WITH.

THEY TRIED "CHANGEYOU CAN RELIEVE IN" AND, OF

COURSE, THE ICONIC POSTER.

THERE YOU GO.

NO MATTER WHO BECOMES INDIA'SNEXT PRIME MINISTER, THEIR

ELECTION WILL HAVE GLOBALCONSEQUENCES.

OUR OWN JASON JONES HAS MORE.

>> Jason: INDIA IS HAVING ANELECTION. AND I'VE ALWAYS BEEN

TOLD IT'S AN INCREDIBLE PLACE TOVISIT. BUT I'D RATHER AVOID

DYSENTERY IN 120 DEGREEWEATHER. SO INSTEAD I WENT

TO THE INDIA CONSULATE IN NEWYORK AND MET WITH AMBASSADOR --

(MISPRONOUNCING NAME) -- I METWITH THE AMBASSADOR.

MR. AMBASSADOR, I AM NOT AT ALLEMBARASSED TO ADMIT THAT I KNOW

NOTHING ABOUT INDIA.

>> YEAH, WELL IT'S ALWAYS GOODTO START.

>> I HEAR YOU GUYSARE HAVING A LITTLE ELECTION.

>> YES. INDIA IS ACTUALLY THEGREATEST DEMOCRACY IN THEWORLD.

>> NO, THAT'S THE UNITED STATESOF AMERICA.

THAT IS THE GREATESTDEMOCRACY IN THE WORLD.

>> NO, HOW DO YOU DEFINE IT?

>> Jason: OH, I DON'T KNOW, 121MILLION PEOPLE VOTING IN OUR

LAST ELECTION.

>> AND WE HAVE 814 MILLIONREGISTERED VOTERS.

>> Jason: OK, BUT THAT'S,THAT'S, THAT'S IN RUPEES.

HOW MANY IN AMERICAN?

>> I THINK WE DON'T CONVERTPEOPLE INTO RUPEES AND DOLLARS.

>> I KNOW WHY YOU KNOW SO MUCHABOUT US BECAUSE WE'RE THE BEST.

BUT, WHY DON'T WE KNOW ANYTHINGABOUT YOU?

>> YOU KNOW, YOU CAN'TUNDERSTAND INDIA IN ONE LIFE.

A PERSON SAY FROM TAMILNADU IN THE SOUTH WOULD NOT

UNDERSTAND THE LANGUAGE OFSOMEBODY IN THE NORTHEAST.

MY WIFE OFTEN THINKS WHEN I SAY NO, SHE THINK IT'S YES.

>> Jason: HOW DO YOU SAY NO?

>> I SAY IT LIKE THIS.

>> Jason: WHAT, YOU SAY NO LIKETHIS?

>> SO, NOW ACTUALLY YOU'RECONFUSING ME.

I REALLY DON'T KNOW.

>> Jason: YOU DON'T REMEMBERHOW YOU SAY NO?

>> AT ONE LEVEL INDIA ISVERY CONFUSING, AT

ANOTHER LEVEL IT'SVERY, VERY FASCINATING.

>> Jason: WELL, AMBASSADOR, IFYOUR ELECTIONS ARE SO

FASCINATING THENWHY IS THIS ALL I CAN FIND ABOUT

INDIA ON AMERICAN TELEVISION?

>> GOOD RICE, GOOD CURRY, GOODGANDHI, LET'S HURRY.

>> THE COVERAGE HERE IS,I WOULD SAY, LOPSIDED.

IT DOESN'T CAPTURE THECOMPLEXITY, IT DOESN'T CAPTURE

THE ENTHUSIASM OF INDIAN PEOPLE.

IT'S, IT'S, IT'S SOMETHING THATYOU MUST SEE TO BELIEVE.

>> Jason: PLEASE DO NOT DAREME TO GO TO INDIA.

>> THIS IS REALLY A FASCINATINGELECTION.

>> Jason: DON'T MAKE ME GO TOINDIA.

>> NO, YOU MUST GO.

>> Jason: BUT, I DON'T WANT TOGO.

>> SITTING BEHIND A DESK IN THEU.S., AND

APPRECIATING OR UNDERSTANDINGINDIAN ELECTIONS IS ALMOST NEXT

TO IMPOSSIBLE.

>> Jason: OK, YOU KNOW WHAT,PAL?

I AM GOING TO GO FIND SOMEONEWHO IS WILLING TO TRAVEL TO

INDIA.

>> YOU BETTER GO. YOU BETTER GO.

>> Jason: I'M NOT GOING.

>> YOU BETTER GO.

>> Jason: LUCKILY, I KNEWSOMEONE WHO LOVED INDIA.

(KNOCKING)

GUESS WHAT? WHO THE (bleep) AREYOU?

>> HI, I'M JORDAN.

>> YEAH, I DON'T CARE. WHERE'SMANDVI?

>> HE'S HAS AN HBO SHOW.

>> Jason: WELL, GOOD NEWS. YOUARE GOING TO INDIA.

>> OH, I CAN'T. I'M A RACIST.

>> Jason: JESSICA.

>> I CAN'T. I'M RACIST, TOO.

>> LOOKS LIKE YOU'RE GOING TOINDIA, HAVE A NICE TRIP.

>> I REALLY DIDN'T WANT TO HAVETO COME TO INDIA. YOU KNOW,

I'M PRETTY HUNGRY. LET'S GO GRABSOME CHILLED MONKEY BRAINS.

IS THAT RACIST, BY THE WAY?

(MUSIC)>> OKAY, LET'S AVOID THAT CIVIL

WAR.

NO, NO, CAN'T FLY IN THEIRAIRSPACE.

WHOA, TOO MANY DRONES THERE.

THERE WE GO. DELHI.JUST ONE LOOK AT THE CHAOS OF

INDIA'S CAPITAL CITY AND ITWAS CLEAR THERE WAS NO WAY THIS

DEMOCRACY COULD EQUALOURS. FOR EXAMPLE,

IN THE U.S. YOU ARE FREE TOCHOOSE ONE OF TWO PARTIES AND IN

INDIA YOU HOLY (bleep) THERE'S ALOT OF CHOICES.

OK, BUT IN AMERICA, A STAGGERING23% OF OUR YOUTH PLAN ON VOTING

IN OUR NEXT ELECTIONS.

MATCH THAT, INDIA.

>> AS YOU KNOW 60 YEARS WE HAVEBEEN WITH THE CONGRESS PARTY,

WE'RE TRYING SOMETHINGNEW THIS TIME.

>> SO, YOU'RE 15 YEARS OLD ANDYOU ACTUALLY CARE ABOUTPOLITICS.

>> YES, WE DO BECAUSE IT IS OURFUTURE.

>> REALLY? YOU GUYS ALL CAREABOUT POLITICS?

>> YES.

>> YES, OF COURSE I CAREABOUT POLITICS BECAUSE OUR

FUTURE DEPENDS ON US SO WECARE A LOT ABOUT POLITICS.

>> YOU CARE THAT MUCH YOUDIDN'T EVEN NOTICE THAT

MOTORCYCLE.

>> YEAH.

>> WOW. AND WITH 150 MILLIONFIRST-TIME VOTERS, MAYBE INDIA'S

YOUTH IS A LITTLE MOREENGAGED THAN OURS.

BUT IN AMERICA, OUR POLITICIANSKNOW HOW TO SPEAK TO EACH

COLOR-CODED GROUP.

>> I JUST WANT TO SAY THANK YOUDADDY YANKEE.

>> WHO LET THE DOGS OUT?

WHO?

WHO?

>> SO, INDIA, DOES YOURDEMOCRACY PANDER TO ITS

MINORITIES?

I'M LOOKING FOR MINORITIES --PEOPLE WHO LOOK -- MINORITIES --

I DON'T KNOW, WHAT IS YOURMINORITY HERE?

HEY PAL, YOU SPEAK ENGLISH?

>> YES.

>> Jason: YOU DO. OKAY. WHAT'SUH,

WHAT DO MINORITIES LOOK LIKEHERE?

>> YOU.

>> Jason: LIKE ME?

>> YES.

>> Jason: OH YES. WHY AM IASKING THE QUESTIONS THEN?

HERE, YOU TAKE IT. I'LL TAKETHAT.

HERE, LET'S, LET'S SWAP THEM.

JUST READ THEM.

>> WHY ARE WHITE PEOPLE SO FAT?

>> Jason: WHAT?

>> WHY ARE, WHY ARE WHITE PEOPLESO FAT?

>> Jason: NO, I HEARD YOU. IT'SJUST VERY OFFENSIVE.

>> WHY ARE WHITE PEOPLE SO LAZY?

>> Jason: YOU CAN'T SAY THAT!

>> I HAVE 30 OTHERS, DO YOU WANTME TO KEEP GOING?

>> Jason: NO. I DON'T WANT YOUTO KEEP GOING.

IS THAT WHAT THIS INTERVIEW ISALL ABOUT? TO MAKE ME LOOK

FOOLISH AS A MINORITY?

THE INTERVIEW IS OVER.

BUT, THE REAL WORK IS BEGINNING.

BECAUSE EVERYWHERE I WENT ININDIA, EVERYONE HAD AN OPINION

ON POLITICS.

>> EVERY PERSON'SASPIRATION, EVERY SINGLE VOTE.

>> Jason: YOU KNOW, I APPRECIATEALL THAT BUT I'VE GOT A LONG,

LONG LINE OF GUYS I'VE GOT TOGET TO.

>> THANK YOU SO MUCH.

EVERYBODY WANTS TO TALK ABOUTPOLITICS.

>> THANK YOU SO MUCH.

>> Jason: OF COURSE, YOU ALSOWANT TO TALK ABOUT POLITICS.

>> -- LEADERSHIP AND MANAGEMENT.

AND IN A COUNTRY WITH1.2 BILLION PEOPLE, 780 OFFICIAL

LANGUAGES AND 330 MILLION HINDUGODS, CUTTING THROUGH THE NOISE

WAS GOING TO TAKE A WHILE.

>> Jon: JASON JONES, WE'LL BERIGHT BACK!

(CHEERS AND APPLAUSE) >> Jon: WELCOME BACK!

THE MIDTERM ELECTIONS, MIDTERMELECTIONS RIGHT AROUND THE

CORNER, CONGRESS'S APPROVALRATING IS IN THE TWEENS.

IT'S TIME ONCE AGAIN TO RAISE ACRY OF "THROW THE BUMS OUT."

AND THEN RE-ELECT 90% OF SAIDBUMS.

HOW DO THESE GUYS KEEP GETTINGRE-ELECTED TERM AFTER TERM?

WELL, LET'S TAKE THE EXAMPLE OFNEW YORK CONGRESSMAN CHARLIE

RANGEL, 83 YEARS OLD AND 43YEARS IN OFFICE, CENSURED

BY CONGRESS IN 2010 AFTER APHOTO OF HIM ASLEEP IN FRONT

OF HIS DOMINICAN VILLA ON WHICHHE FAILED TO PAY TAXES BECAME

THE SYMBOL OF HIS EXTENSIVEFINANCIAL MALFEASANCE.

HERE'S HOW CONFIDENT HE WAS INBEING RELECTED ANYWAY.

HE USED THAT PHOTO AS HISCAMPAIGN POSTER.

THAT'S WHAT HE DID. HE DOESN'TCARE. THIS YEAR CHARLIE RANGEL

IS LOCKED IN A TIGHT PRIMARYCAMPAIGN AGAINST STATE SENATOR

ADRIANO ESPAILLAT ANDREVEREND MICHAEL WALROND WHO ARE

DETERMINED TO TAKE THIS GUY DOWNIN A MAJOR DEBATE LAST NIGHT.

WHAT COULD RANGEL DO TOCOME OUT A WINNER?

CHECK YOUR POCKETS MACGYVER,

BECAUSE THE CLOCK ISTICKING AND HE'S GOT TO COME

UP WITH SOMETHING.

>> I UNDERSTAND I ONLY HAVETHREE MINUTES AND, JUST ONE

MINUTE(ANSWERS BLACKBERY)

NO I'M THE IN THE MIDDLE OF ADEBATE.

YES, NO IT'S FOR UNITEDSTATES CONGRESS.

(LAUGHTER)>> Jon: ALL RIGHT.

FIRST OF ALL, THAT WAS QUITE THEMYSTERY RING ON HIS PHONE.

EITHER HE HAD TO TAKE A VERYIMPORTANT CALL FROM HIS

UROLOGIST DURING THE DEBATEOR HE'S ABOUT TO LAUNCH INTO A

BIT.

YES, IN THE GREATEST DEBATETACTIC SINCE LINCOLN ASKED

DOUGLAS, "WHOREMONGER SAYSWHAT?"

CHARLIE RANGEL DID HIS ENTIREOPENING STATEMENT IN THE FORM OF

A GAG PHONE CALL WITH SOMEONEWHO JUST HAPPENED TO WANT TO

KNOW REALLY TERRIBLE THINGSABOUT THE TWO OTHER

CANDIDATES SITTING NEXT TO HIM.

>> NO, NO, NO, HE'S BEEN HERE 18YEARS BUT HE DIDN'T SAY HE

PASSED ANY BILLS AT ALL.

WELL THE GUY WAS ONLY THERE HALFOF THE TIME.

(RANGEL ON PHONE)LISTEN, HOW CAN HE REGISTER TO

VOTE IN NEW YORK WHENHE LIVES IN JERSEY?

>> Jon: NO, I'M AS CONFUSEDABOUT IT AS YOU ARE, PERSON I

MADE UP!

YOU KNOW WHAT?

I THINK THIS IS HOW CHARLIERANGEL STAYS IN OFFICE SO LONG.

YES, HE'S CORRUPT BUT HE'S VERYLIKABLE.

I MEAN, HE FIGUREDOUT HOW TO BE A TOTAL

DICK TO THE GUYS SITTING RIGHT

NEXT TO HIM, WITHOUT HAVING TOHAVE ANY RESPONSIBILITY FOR SAID

DICKISHNESS.

>> THEY LOVE HIM AT THE, HE'SVERY ACTIVE AT THE NATIONAL

ACTION NETWORK AND THEY LIKEHIM.

THEY HAVEN'T ENDORSED HIM, OFCOURSE NOT.

>> WHY DIDN'T THEY ENDORSEHIM? I MEAN, IT'S NOT LIKE HE

KILLED SOMEONE. THAT I KNOW OF.I MEAN, EVEN IF HE HAD

I'M SURE HE WOULD DISPOSE THEBODY IN A TRADITIONAL --

CANNIBALISM? NO. I DON'T THINKSO. WHAT -- I DON'T KNOW.

NO WONDER HE'S STILL INCONGRESS.

IN FACT, THERE MAY BE NO WAY ATALL TO GET THESE

AGING INCUMBENTS OUT OF OFFICE.

>> CONGRESSMAN JOHN CONYERSEXPECTED TO RUN FOR HIS 26TH

TERM IN NOVEMBER IS BEING KEPTOFF THE BALLOT IN THE PRIMARY

BECAUSE OF INVALID SIGNATURES ONA PETITION.

>> Jon: WOW, SO WITHOUT TERMLIMITS, WE JUST HAVE TO WAIT

UNTIL CONGRESS PEOPLE GET SO OLDTHEYLOSE SIGNATURES LIKE KEYS.

HOW DOES THE CONSTITUTION EVENALLOW FOR THIS TYPE OF

ENTRENCHED INCUMBENCY?

RING, RING.

HELLO?

WHAT'S THAT?

FOUNDING FATHER JAMES MADISON!

WHAT?

YOU NEVER INTENDED FOR ANYONE TOSERVE THAT LONG IN CONGRESS?

WELL, OH, WHEN YOU WERE DRAFTINGTHE CONSTITUTION, LIFE EXPECTY

WAS 48.

I SEE.

AND HOW ARE YOU CALLING ME FROMBEYOND THE -- REALLY?

HEAVEN IS FOR REAL!

AND IT'S ALL JUST (BLEEP).

ALRIGHT. WELL,

YEAH.

NO, HE DIDN'T MENTION THAT.

SEPARATE SECTION.

ALL RIGHT.

WELL, WE'LL BE RIGHT BACK.

ALL RIGHT.

THAT'S NICE.

WELCOME BACK.

MY GUEST STARS IN CBS'S "THE BIGBANG THEORY" ALSO STARRING IN

HBO'S UPCOMING FILM "THENORMAL HEART."

>> WE CAN'T TELL PEOPLE HOW TOLIVE THEIR LIVES, NED.

THE ENTIRE GAY POLITICALMOVEMENT IS (BLEEP).

>> HI.>> HI.

>> YOU KNOW, I'M VERY INTERESTEDIN SETTING UP SOME SORT OF

SERVICES FOR THE PATIENTS. WE'VEGOT TO START TALKING ABOUT THEM.

ALSO, THERE ARE A LOT OF VERYSCARED PEOPLE OUT THERE

AND THEY'RE DESPERATE FORINFORMATION.

I'D TO START A HOTLINE.

>> WHO'S HE?

OOH, HE DOES NOT KNOW WHO I AMYET.

HIS NAME IS TOMMY BOATWRIGHT.

IN REAL LIFE HE IS A HOSPITALADMINISTRATOR.

HE'S HERE TO HELP AND HE'S ASOUTHERN BITCH.

>> MR. BOATRIGHT. BRUCE NILES.

>> NICE TO MEET YOU.

>> MY PLEASURE.

>> YOU'RE VERY HANDSOME.>> HE KNOWS.

>> Jon: PLEASE WELCOME TO THEPROGRAM JIM PARSONS!

(MUSIC)(CHEERS AND APPLAUSE)

>> YOUNG MAN. TO YOU, SIR.WELCOME.

>> THANK YOU. THANK YOU.

>> Jon: FIRST, BEFORE WE TALKABOUT THE FILM, I WANT TO BREAK

SOME EXCITING NEWS.>> OH GOD. WHAT?

>> Jon: "BIG BANG THEORY" HASBEEN PICKED UP UNTIL 2050.

2050!

36 MORE YEARS.

>> AND WE DON'T KNOW WHO WILL BEPLAYING MY PART BY THEN BUT YOU

KNOW WHAT?

IT GOES ON HAPPILY.

>> Jon: YOUR BRAIN IN A JAR WILLBE PLAYING YOUR PART.

>> OH, MY GOD, YES, I HOPE MYOFFSPRING THAT WILL NEVER

HAPPEN GET RESIDUALS FROM ME.

>> Jon: OH STOP. CONGRATULATIONSTHOUGH.

>> THANK YOU.

>> Jon: THIS FILM, THIS FILM ISVERY QUICKLY SOMETHING

LARRY KRAMER PUT TOGETHER IN 80-- WHEN DID THIS HAPPEN?

>> I BELIEVE THE STAGE PLAY OFIT WAS FIRST DONE IN '84, '85.

IT WAS REALLY -- IT WAS SO GOINGON RIGHT THEN, WHAT WAS

HAPPENING IN THE MOVIE, THESTAGE PLAY ACTUALLY HAD THE SET

WAS LIKE THESE WHITE WALLSWHERE THEY ADDED THE

NAMES OF THE DYINGAS THEY WERE DYING.

>> Jon: RIGHT. THIS WAS THEEARLY PART OF THE TERRIBLE AIDSCRISIS.

>> THE AIDS CRISIS. YES. RIGHT.

>> Jon: BEFORE EVEN REAGAN ITHINK HAD EVER MENTIONED IT

PUBLICLY, LARRY KRAMER HADALREADY WRITTEN THIS BRILLIANTPLAY.

>> YES. YES. ANDSO EVERYTHING WAS STILL

OBVIOUSLY SHUFFLING AROUNDFIGURING OUT,

THE EMERGENCY WAS IN ITSGREATEST THROES AT THAT MOMENT.

NOW HERE WE ARE 30 YEARS LATERAND IT'S, IN SOME WAYS, ALL THE

MORE, TO ME, POWERFUL ANDINTERESTING TO SEE THIS STORY

NOW.

THERE ARE SO MANY PEOPLE WHODON'T KNOW WHAT WENT ON.

YOU KNOW, MYSELFINCLUDED. AND EVEN IF YOU KNOW

INTELLECTUALLY, TO SEE ITPERSONIFIED IN THIS

WAY, YOU LEARN IT IN A WAY INYOUR HEART THAT YOU DIDN'T.

YOU KNOW. IT IS SAD BUT IT'SWONDERFUL.

IT'S WONDERFUL.

YOU FEEL -- WHEN I SEE IT, IFEEL SOMEWHAT SAD WHEN IT'S

OVER, BUT YOU FEEL -- I DON'TKNOW, A CERTAIN PEACE, TOO, AND

A CONNECTION TO HUMANITY, IFTHAT DOESN'T SOUND RIDICULOUS TO

YOU.

>> Jon: NO.

>> YOU KNOW WHAT I MEAN THOUGH?

>> Jon: WE HAVE FEELINGS.

>> I KNOW YOU DO.

YOU'RE A VERY WARM, SENSITIVEMAN.

>> Jon: BUT THE URGENCY, THEURGENCY IS WHAT'S SO INTERESTING

TO ME. >> YEAH.

>> Jon: BECAUSE THE PLAYCAPTURES THAT CONFUSION OF THAT

TIME AND THE URGENCY OF ACTION.

>> UTTER CONFUSION. WELL,EXACTLY.

AND THE THING WE ALWAYS TALKEDABOUT WHEN I WAS DOING THE STAGE

PLAY WITH GEORGE WOLFE, WHEN IDID THE MOVIE WITH RYAN MURPHY,

EVERYBODY TALKED ABOUT, IT'S AREAL, LIVE HORROR FILM. THERE IS

LITERALLY A KILLER ON THE LOOSE,WE DON'T KNOW WHERE IT'S COMING

FROM, WE DON'T WHAT IT IS ANDEVERYONE IS RUNNING AS FAST AS

THEY CAN. ONE OF THE FUNTHINGS ABOUT DOING IT WAS --

(LAUGHTER)>> Jon: WELL, GO ON.

>> WASN'T SUPPOSED TO BE FUNNY.(LAUGHTER)

YEAH, I FOUND THE HUMOR IN THENORMAL HEART. BUT SERIOUSLY,

IT WAS GOING THROUGH ALL THESETHINGS AND TRYING TO -- I

HAD TO KEEP REMINDING MYSELF, NOE-MAILS, NO CELL PHONES, NO

INTERNET, AND IT SEEMS SOOBVIOUS UNTIL YOU'RE IN THOSE

SCENES WHERE YOU'RE TRYING TOHELP PEOPLE, WARN PEOPLE, GET

PEOPLE TO A HOSPITAL, AND YOUREALIZE HOW FEW THINGS IN

COMPARISON WE HAD.

TIMES HAVE CHANGED SO MUCH. SOQUICKLY.

>> Jon: SO MUCH OF IT WASABOUT INFORMATION.

>> ABSOLUTELY.

>> AND DISSEMINATING INFORMATIONAND FINDING IT.

AND I FIND MYSELF THIS WAY WITHMY KIDS.

THEY'LL SAY SOMETHING LIKE, ARETHERE PIGMY GOATS?

AND I WILL HAVE TO SAY, WELL,WHY DON'T YOU LOOK IT UP?

BUT IN THE OLD DAYS I WOULD HAVEWENT, I GUESS WE'LL NEVER KNOW.

>> YEAH. COMPLETELY. (LAUGHTER)

>> Jon: LIKE YOU JUST WOULD,THAT'D BE IT?

LIKE YOU JUST, I DON'T KNOW!>> NO.

>> LET'S DO SOMETHING ELSE.

>> I MEAN, WHEN YOU, WHENBOTH OF US, I'M SURE, WENT

THROUGH SCHOOL, IT WAS TRIPSTO THE LIBRARY.

>> Jon: SURE. YEP.

>> THAT'S HOW YOU FOUNDEVERYTHING. YOU CHECKED OUT

REALLY HEAVY BOOKS AND WROTEREALLY BAD PAPERS, YOU KNOW.

>> Jon: AND WE DID THEM ON,DID YOU DO THEM, WELL, I'M OLDERTHAN

YOU, BUT WE USEDTO DO THEM ON THE

TYPE WRITER AND WHEN YOU MADE AMISTAKE YOU WOULD HAVE TO GO

BACK WITH THE WHITEOUT ANDTYPE IT AGAIN.

>> I TRANSITIONED TO A WORDPROCESSOR BEFORE I FINISHED WITH

SCHOOL, SO I DIDN'T, IDIDN'T, BUT I DID IT WHILE

I, THERE WERE WHITEOUT SHEETSYOU COULD DO.

>> Jon: EXACTLY, AND I WOULDWORK ON MY ABACUS.

AGAIN, I'M OLDER THEN YOU.

>> I KNOW, THERE'S A LITTLE BIT.THOSE WERE GONE WHEN I WAS --

>> Jon: I WANTED TO ASK YOU,THOUGH, BECAUSE

DOING A PIECE LIKE THIS FOR THESTAGE IS SUCH A DIFFERENT

>> YEAH.

>> Jon: PERFORMANCE THAN DOINGSOMETHING THAT IS BEING FILMED

FOR TELEVISION, HAVING DONE ITAS A PLAY, DID YOU HAVE TO

RECALIBRATE? WHAT WAS, >> TO A DEGREE --

>> Jon: WHAT'S THE PROCESS OFTRYING TO TRANSLATE SOMETHING

LIKE THAT?

>> WELL, THE HARDEST THING WAS AVERY KIND OF SILLY-SOUNDING

THING, BUT THERE WAS ONLYONE OTHER GUY WHO WAS IN

THE PLAY WITH ME, YOU KNOW, JOEMANTELLO,

AND HE ACTUALLY CHANGED PARTSFOR THE MOVIE.

>> Jon: YOU'RE IN THE SAMEPART.

>> I AM IN THE SAME PART.

BUT SO MUCH OF THE SCRIPT WASTHE SAME, THAT IT WAS HARD TO

GET USE TO HEARING PEOPLE WITHNEW VOICES WITH LINES

THAT'D YOU'D HEARDSAID OVER AND OVER.

BUT IT WAS BEING DONE SO WELLTHAT THAT QUICKLY WENT AWAY.

WHAT WAS REALLY INTERESTING,THOUGH, WAS, YOU KNOW, LIKE

HERE WE ARE NOW, AND EVERY TIMETHEY LAUGH, YOU FEEL IT AND IT

AFFECTS THINGS.

IN THIS CASE, IT WAS OBVIOUSLY,IT WAS A DRAMA, BUT THEY WERE SO

MOVED -- I GUESS PARTLY BECAUSEWE WERE PERFORMING -- IT WAS A

POWERFUL PIECE BUT PARTLYBECAUSE WE WERE PERFORMING AT

GROUND ZERO FOR ALL THECATASTROPHY

WE WERE IN NEW YORK.>> Jon: RIGHT.

>> I HAVE NEVER HEARD CRYINGLIKE THIS.

SO THAT WAS VERY INTERESTING TOKNOW AS WE WERE MAKING THIS

MOVIE THE POSSIBILITY OF THEPOWERFUL EFFECT THAT THIS COULD

DEFINITELY HAVE WHEN PEOPLE SAWIT.

>> Jon: RIGHT.

>> NORMALLY, I DON'T WORK ONSOMETHING WHERE YOU KIND OF HAVE

ALREADY BEEN ABLE TO EXPERIENCETHAT AND FEEL THAT AND CARRY IT

WITH YOU INTO THE PROJECT.

>> Jon: YOU FELT ITS ABSENCEAS YOU --

>> NO, I FELT LIKE I KNOW WHATWE'RE HEADING TOWARDS.

>> Jon: OKAY.

>> I FELT LIKE, IF WE TELL THISSTORY CORRECTLY, THIS IS A

DEVASTATING LITTLE TALE.

>> Jon: RIGHT. RIGHT. RIGHT.

>> I WISH I COULD SAY SOMETHINGFUNNY HERE.

>> Jon: NOT AT ALL.

IS THAT SOMETHING YOU WERE ABLETO IMPART ALSO TO THE OTHER

ACTORS WHO MIGHT NOT BE FAMILIARWITH ITS IMPACT IN THAT WAY?

>> I DIDN'T HAVE TO.

NOBODY ASKED ME TO. YOU KNOWWHAT, RYAN,

RYAN IS A WONDERFUL DIRECTOR,MURPHY, AND HE WOULD ASK A

COUPLE OF TIMES OF ME AND JOE,WHO HAD DONE IT, WHEN YOU DID

THE PLAY, WHAT HAPPENED HERE,BLAH, BLAH, BLAH.

BUT IT WAS MORE OF THAT.EVERYBODY WAS, EVERYBODY WAS,

IT WAS VERY IMPORTANT TO THEMWHY THEY JOINED UP, LIKE

MARK RUFFALO, ANDTAYLOR KITSCH, AND MATT BONER,

YOU KNOW, THEY KNEW WHYTHEY WERE THERE.

>> Jon: YOU ALWAYS DO TERRIFICWORK.

>> THANK YOU VERY MUCH.

>> Jon: "THE NORMAL HEART"APPEARS MAY 25.

>> MAY 25TH.

>> Jon: IT'S RYAN MURPHY OF"GLEE" SO THERE'S A LOT OF

SONGS IN IT. IT'S VERY --

(LAUGHTER) 9:00 P.M., THE GREAT

JIM PARSONS.

THANK YOU FOR COMING.

(CHEERS AND APPLAUSE)>> THAT'S OUR SHOW.

>> A LOT OF DEMOCRATS WEREELECTED IN 2006 ON A PROMISE

TO CLEAN UP THE SWAMP INWASHINGTON AND TO END WHAT

THEY CALLED THE CULTURE OFREPUBLICAN CORRUPTION.

NOW, CHARLIE RANGEL IS INNOCENTTILL PROVEN GUILTY.

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