April 28, 2014 - Mookie Wilson

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Diverse forms of racial discrimination hit the media, Larry Wilmore explains how to tackle racism in America, and Mookie Wilson discusses team relationships in sports.

[CHEERS AND APPLAUSE]>> Jon: WELCOME TO "THE DAILY

SHOW".

MY NAME IS JON STEWART.

WE HAVE A SHOW FOR YOU TONIGHTTHAT WE'VE WORKED OUT.

NEW YORK MET GREAT MOOKIE WILSONWILL BE JOINING US ON

THE PROGRAM TONIGHT.

THEY ARE NOT BOOING THEY AREMOOKIE-ING.

BUT FIRST THE WOUNDS OFCENTURIES OF RACIAL OPPRESSION

HAVE LONG HAUNTED OUR COUNTRY ATRAGIC BUT INESCAPABLE PART

OF THE AMERICAN EXPERIENCE.

UNTIL LAST WEEK WHEN THE SUPREMECOURT SAID ITS OKAY FOR STATES

TO BAN AFFIRMATIVE ACTIONPROGRAMS AT PUBLIC UNIVERSITIES

THUS COMPLETING THE MISSION OFRACIAL HEALING THIS COURT

EMBARKED ON LAST YEAR.

>> THE SUPREME COURT ESSENTIALLYKNOCKED DOWN ONE OF PILLARS OF

THE CIVIL RIGHTS MOVEMENT.

IT INVALIDATED A KEY PART OF THEVOTING RIGHTS ACT, THE LAW

ENACTED IN 1965 TO STOP RACIALDISCRIMINATION AT THE POLLS.

>> AS CHIEF JUSTICE JOHN ROBERTSSAID NEARLY 50 YEARS LATER

THINGS HAVE CHANGEDDRAMATICALLY.

>> Jon: RACISM IS OVER!

[CHEERS AND APPLAUSE]OF COURSE, THE JUSTICES WEREJUST

CODIFYING WHAT MANY OF US HADKNOWN FOR A VERY LONG TIME.

>> AMERICA TREATS PEOPLEEQUALLY.

WE HAVE A BLACK PRESIDENT.

EUROPE EVEN HAS NEVER HAD ABLACK PRESIDENT.

>> UNFORTUNATELY FOR LIBERALSTHERE'S NO RACISM IN AMERICA.

THERE'S MORE CHOLERA IN AMERICATHAN THERE IS RACISM.

>> Jon: MORE CHOLERA, YES,RACISM HAS GONE THE WAY OF

(bleep) WHERE YOU DRINK.

THE IMPORTANT THING ISTHAT RACISM IS OFFICIALLY DEAD.

>> I WANT TO TELL YOU ONE MORETHING ABOUT THE KNOW ABOUT THE

NEGRO -->> Jon: WHAT? JUST DAYS AFTER

BEING DECLARED DEAD BY THESUPREME COURT RACISM HAS ARISEN.

IT'S A WEEK AFTER EASTERMIRACLE.

[ LAUGHTER ]NOT THAT EASTER WEEKEND ITSELF

DIDN'T PROVIDE CLUES THATPERHAPS RACISM WASN'T QUITE AS

DEAD AS WE THOUGHT IT WAS.

>> EASTER EGGS FILLED WITH WORDSOF HATE.

>> PARENTS IN THE WEST END AREOUTRAGED AFTER WAKING UP TO FIND

EASTER EGGS FILLED WITH RACISTNOTES.

>> Jon: HUH. ITHOUGHT THE EASTER BUNNY

LOOKED DIFFERENT THIS YEAR. [LAUGHTER]

AND OF COURSE, RACISM LIKE OTHERTHINGS THAT

HAVE BEEN RESURRECTED QUICKLYCAUGHT ON WITH MANY JEWS.

>> DON'T COME TO MY GAMES. DON'TBRING BLACK PEOPLE AND DON'TCOME.

>> IT BOTHERS ME A LOT THAT YOUWANT TO BROADCAST THAT YOU ARE

ASSOCIATING WITH BLACK PEOPLE.

>> I'M JUST SAYING, INYOUR LOUSY (bleep) INSTAGRAMS,YOU DON'T

HAVE TO HAVE YOURSELF WITH,WALKING WITH BLACK PEOPLE.

[AUDIENCE BOOS]>> Jon: THAT IS A DONALD

STERLING. THAT IS DONALDSTERLING. HE'S A BILLIONAIRE WHO

HAS GOTTEN RICH OFF THE LABORS

OF A MOSTLY BLACK BASKETBALLTEAM TELLING HIS

MIXED RACE GIRLFRIEND NOT TOBE SEEN WITH BLACK PEOPLE.

IT'S THAT AGE OLD STORY, "YEAH,I'M RACIST BUT MY (bleep) AND MY

WALLET ARE NOT." BY THE WAY,

[ LAUGHTER ]BEING SEEN WITH BLACK PEOPLE

APPEARS TO BE THE ONLYRESTRICTION STERLING IS PLACING.

>> YOU CAN SLEEP WITH THEM, YOUCAN BRING THEM IN, YOU CAN

DO WHATEVER I WANT.

THE LITTLE I ASK YOU IS NOT TOPROMOTE IT AND NOT TO BRING THEM

TO MY GAMES.

>> Jon: HE IS A RARE CREATURE.

A RACIST SWINGER.

[ LAUGHTER ]WHAT HE BASICALLY IS SAYING IS I

DON'T SEE COLOR WHO IT COMES TOWHO YOU ARE (bleep).

I ONLY SEE IT WHEN IT COMES TOWHO YOU ARE SITTING WITH.

IF YOU THINK AN OLD MAN TELLINGHIS GIRLFRIEND IT'S COOL IF SHE

BANGS WHOEVER SHE WANTS IS THEWEIRDEST PART OF THIS STORY,

THINK AGAIN.

>> STERLING WAS DUE TO RECEIVE ASECOND LIFETIME ACHIEVEMENT

AWARD FROM THE NAACP NEXT MONTHFOR HIS WORK WITH

UNDERPRIVILEGED YOUTH BUT ONMEET THE PRESS TODAY THE NAACP

INTERIM PRESIDENT SETTHAT WON'T HAPPEN.

>> Jon: TAKE THAT STERLING. NOTJOHN STERLING.

JOHN STERLING IS AN THEANNOUNCER OF YANKEES.

DIFFERENT GUYS. THATSTERLING.

BECAUSE OF YOUR UNREPENTENTRACISM YOU ONLY GET ONE

NCAACP LIFETIME ACHIEVEMENTAWARD -- NA DOUBLE C P --

NA DOUBLE -- IT'S REALLYHARD TO SAY.

[ LAUGHTER ]THERE'S ONE MORE THING WE SHOULD

ADD.

>> NO, I'M NOT RACIST BUT I DIDWONDER THAT.

I DON'T CARE WHAT YOUR RACE IS.

WE NEED TO GET OVER THISPREJUDICE.

>> STERLING TOGETHER WITH THECLIPPERS ORGANIZATION SAY THE

VIEWS ON THE RECORDINGS DO NOTREFLECT STERLING'S OWN PERSONAL

BELIEFS.

>> Jon: THANK YOU.

SOMEONE HAS TO FINALLY STAND UPFOR THESE PEOPLE WHO MAKING

CLEARLY RACIST STATEMENTS ONTAPE AS NOT BEING RACIST.

AND SINCE NO ONE ELSE WILL DO ITIT MIGHT AS WELL BE THE RACISTS

THEMSELVES.

THAT IS THE POT CALLING THEKETTLE A BLENDER.

POT?

WHAT DO YOU MEAN?

YOU'VE GOT ME ALL WRONG.

I WOULD NEVER BE BLACK.

BUT WAIT -- HOW DID THESEINCREDIBLY NOT RACIST PEOPLE

FIND THEMSELVES IN THECROSSHAIRS OF HAVING TO EXPLAIN

HOW RACIST THEY AREN'T.

>> THE MEDIA MAYBE TWISTS THINGA LITTLE BIT.

>> YOU GUYS TRY TO MAKEEVERYBODY IN THE WORLD THINK I'M

PREJUDICED. I'M NOT PREJUDICED.

>> Jon: AH THE MEDIA IS TWISTINGIT AROUND TO MAKE YOU SEEM --

THEY'RE JUST TAKING IT OVERHERE, TAKING IT OVER HERE --BLOOP.

I MEAN IF THEY WOULD JUST PLAYTHE WHOLE TAPE THEY WOULD SEE HE

SAYS THE NEGRO MAY HAVE BEENBETTER UNDER SLAVERY WHICH IS

A LINE HE WROTE IN A NEW PLAYCALLED LES MISERACISTS.

SO IF YOU KNOW ANY JEWTHEATER PRODUCERS -- WHAT STOP

TWISTING MY WORDS! NOW, OFCOURSE, DONALD STERLING HAS YET

TO EXPLAIN WHY HE IS NOTTO BLAME FOR HIS RACIST

STATEMENTS. BUT ANOTHERBILLIONAIRE DONALD IS MORE THAN

HAPPY TO SUGGEST -- WAIT --[LAUGHTER]

-- MORE THAN HAPPY TO SUGGESTSTERLING IS NOT THE ONLY ONE AT

FAULT HERE.

>> HE GOT SET UP BY A VERY, VERYBAD GIRLFRIEND, LET'S FACE IT.

SHE WAS BAITING HIM.

SHE'S A TERRIBLE HUMAN BEING ANDSHE'S CALLED THE GIRLFRIEND FROM

HELL.

>> Jon: THAT'S WHY I RECOMMENDTO ALL MY WEALTHY OLD FRIENDS

THAT THEY DATE TRUMP BRAND GOLDDIGGING GIRLFRIENDS. I PROMISE

THE BEST GIRLFRIENDS GOLDDIGGING MONEY CAN BUY.

RETURN POLICY CAN'T BE BEAT. WHOAM I KIDDING?

WE ALL KNOW WHERE THE BLAME FORRACISM REALLY BELONGS.

>> IF I SAY NEGRO OR BLACK BOYOR SLAVE, I'M NOT -- IF THOSE

PEOPLE CANNOT TAKE THOSE KIND OFWORDS AND NOT BE OFFENSIVE THEN

MARTIN LUTHER KING HASN'T GOTHIS JOB DONE YET.

>> Jon: YEAH!

IT'S HIS FAULT.

[ LAUGHTER ]WHY DID THAT GUY QUIT BEFORE

FINISHING HIS JOB?

[LAUGHTER]SOMEBODY SHOULD CALL HIM AND

TELL HIM TO STOP SLACKING ANDGET BACK TO WORK ON THE JOB OF

ENDING RACISM.

HERE IS THE THING ABOUT RACISMIN THIS COUNTRY, THE REACTION TO

STERLING AND BUNDY, THEOVERWHELMING CONDEMNATION MAKES

IT CLEAR WE HAVE MADEENORMOUS PROGRESS IN TEACHING

EVERYONE THAT RACISM IS BAD.

WHERE WE SEEM TO HAVE DROPPEDTHE BALL IS IN TEACHING PEOPLE

WHAT RACISM ACTUALLY IS, WHICHALLOWS PEOPLE TO SAY THESE

INCREDIBLY RACIST THINGS WHILSTINSISTING THEY WOULD NEVER.

I BELIEVE THE BEST ENCAPSULATIONOF THIS COGNITIVE DISSONANCE

COMES IN ALMOST CARTOON FORM.

I GIVE YOU TWO KLANSMENDISTANCING THEMSELVES FROM A

MURDEROUS WHITE SUPREMACIST WHOWENT ON A SHOOTING SPREE AT A

JEWISH CENTER.

>> WE ARE NOT A HATE GROUP.

I HAVE A LOT OF BLACKFRIENDS.

I DO BELIEVE THAT WHEN IT COMESTO LAYING DOWN WITH THEM WE

SHOULD BE SEPARATE.

BUT AS FOR AS A HATE GROUP, WEDID NOT HATE ANYONE.

>> Jon: OH, SO I GUESS THE ROBES ARE A KIND OF A KITSCH HIPSTER

THING.

YOU ARE NOT KLANSMEN YOU ARE IN"KLANSMEN."

COME BACK TO MY PLACEI'VE GOT SOME VINTAGE MOLOTOV

COCKTAILS IN REAL 40s MILKBOTTLES.

AND THAT BURNING CROSS?

RECLAIMED FREE TRADE BARN WOOD.

[LAUGHTER]BUT THE REAL KEY HERE WAS THEIR

STATEMENT THAT THEY HAVE BLACKFRIENDS, THEY JUST DON'T BELIEVE

IN SEXUAL MIXING, WHICH SHOWS, ITHINK, THE RICH TAPESTRY, THE

GORGEOUS MOSAIC OF RACISM INAMERICA, ALL THE WAY FROM

THOSE WHO SAY YOUCAN (bleep)

THEM, JUST DON'T BE SEEN WITHTHEM TO THOSE WHO SAY YOU CAN BE

SEEN WITH THEM, JUST DON'T(bleep) THEM.

WE'LL BE RIGHT BACK.

>> Jon: WELCOME BACK.

NOW --[CHEERS AND APPLAUSE]

BEFORE THE BREAK WE WEREDISCUSSING THE LATEST IN

AMERICAN NONRACISM.

NOW WE'RE JOINED BY SENIOR BLACKCORRESPONDENT LARRY WILMORE.

LARRY WILMORE. WELCOME TO THESHOW.

YES!

>> OH, MAN, HOLY (bleep) JON.

WHAT A WEEK TO BE SENIOR BLACKCORRESPONDENT.

I GOT ON A PLANE TO COME OUTHERE AND TALK ABOUT CLIVEN BUNDY

BY THE TIME I LANDED,DONALD STERLING WAS

BLOWING UP. I MEAN, IN ONE NEWSCYCLE

WE HAVE LIBERTARIAN COWBOYRACISTS, OLD JEWISH SPORTS

RACISTS AND DUDESBRAGGING ABOUT THEIR BLACK

FRIENDS THROUGH A KKK HOOD.MWAH.

>> Jon: IT'S A RICH TAPESTRY.

I'M GLAD YOU ARE ENJOYINGYOURSELF.

BUT LARRY, WHY IS THECONVERSATION SO EXPLOSIVE?

WHY IS THE RACE CONVERSATION SOFRAUGHT RIGHT NOW?

>> YEAH WELL, JON, WHILEMINORITIES ARE MAD FOR

THE OBVIOUS REASONS, STOP ANDFRISK, UNEQUAL

OPPORTUNITIES, VOTERSUPPRESSION --

>> Jon: OK. AND THEN UH,OH, YOU'RE NOT DONE --

>> YOU KNOW, UNFAIRSENTENCING LAWS,

TRAYVON MARTIN,STEALING OUR MUSIC.

>> Jon: SURE.

>> DIABETES.

I GOT IT, NON-WHITES ARE MADBUT WHAT ABOUT WHITE

PEOPLE, LARRY, THEY SEEM EVENMORE ANGRY YET THEY ARE NOT

SUFFERING FROM THIS RACISM?

>> WELL, OTHER THAN WHITE PEOPLEBEING CRAZY, I THINK --

>> Jon: WAIT WHAT?

>> I THINK IT'S THE FEAR THATBLACK PEOPLE ARE GAINING

SOMETHING AT THEIREXPENSE AND THEY HAVE

SOME VERY WELL THOUGHT OUTTHEORIES ABOUT IT.

>> I WANT TO TELL YOU ONE THINGI KNOW ABOUT THE NEGRO BECAUSE

THEY WERE BASICALLY ONGOVERNMENT SUBSIDY.

SO NOW WHAT DO THEY DO?

THEY ABORT THEIR YOUNG CHILDREN,THEY PUT YOUR YOUNG MEN IN JAIL

BECAUSE THEY NEVER LEARNED HOWTO PICK COTTON.

>> UM, I WANT TO TELL CLIVENBUNDY ONE THING I KNOW ABOUT THE

NEGRO.

OUR TWO CHOICES IN LIFE ARE NOTBETWEEN PICKING COTTON AND

PICKING UP WELFARE CHECKS.

THE PRESIDENT OF THE UNITEDSTATES IS BLACK SO (bleep)

YOU.

>> Jon: REASONABLE STATEMENT.

>> NO, NO, NO, OK. IF YOU WANTTO TALK ABOUT GOVERNMENT

SUBSIDIES I'LL GO THERE COWBOY.

REMEMBER THE HOMESTEAD ACT WHERETHE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT YOU DON'T

BELIEVE EXISTS TOLD YOURANCESTORS THEY COULD HAVE ALL

THE LAND FOR AS FAR ASTHEY COULD GET IN A DAY.

YOU KNOW WHAT THEY TOLD MY ANDSETTERS?

HOW FAR CAN YOU GET IN A DAY?

>> Jon: SO THE PIONEERSELF-SUFFICIENT WE BUILT IT

AMERICAN WEST WAS BASICALLY AGIANT WELFARE PROGRAM.

>> YEP, BUNDY GREW UP IN ACULTURE OF DEPENDENCY. IT'S NO

WONDER HE TURNED INTO A THUG.BUT I FEEL BAD FOR HIM, JON.

I MEAN, AT THIS POINT

EVEN RICK PERRY HAS CONDEMNEDHIS RACISM AND THAT GUY HAS A

RANCH CALLED NIGGER HEAD.

>> Jon: WOW.

WHAT ABOUT DONALD STERLING,THOUGH? THIS MAN IS RICH.

HE'S WEALTHY BEYOND BELIEF.

HIS LIFE IS FINE. HE'S GREAT.WHERE'S THE RESENTMENT THERE?

WHAT IS HIS PROBLEM?

>> WELL, JON, HE HAS ADIFFERENT PERSPECTIVE. RACISTS

LIKE HIM ARE NOT WORRIED THEYARE GOING TO PASS THEM.

THEY'RE LOOKING DOWN ON THEM

FROM ABOVE AND NEED THEM TOSTAY IN THEIR PLACE.

>> Jon: AND APPARENTLY THATPLACE DOES NOT INCLUDE STANDING

NEXT TO HIS GIRLFRIEND IN ANINSTAGRAM PHOTO.

>> REALLY? REALLY? MAGIC JOHNSONISN'T GOOD ENOUGH TO BE SEEN

WITH YOUR MIXEDRACE MISTRESS. I MEAN,

MAGIC JOHNSON A MAN SOUNIVERSALLY RESPECTED EVEN

H.I.V. DOESN'T WANT TO BRING HIMDOWN.

MAGIC.

>> Jon: I MEAN IT'S TRUE. IDON'T GET IT IT'S MAGIC JOHNSON.

I DON'T GET IT.

>> AND JON, LISTEN TO HOWSTERLING TALKS ABOUT HISPLAYERS.

>> I SUPPORT THEM GIVING THEMFOOD AND CLOTHES AND CARS AND

HOUSES.

WHO GIVES IT TO THEM?

DOES SOMEONE ELSE GIVE IT TOTHEM?

>> WOW, THAT'S THE KIND OF THINGYOU BOAST ABOUT FROM THE PORCH

OF YOUR PLANTATION RIGHT BEFOREDJANGO SHOOTS YOU.

>> Jon: BUT THAT'S WHAT,HERE'S WHAT'S MIND -- THIS

VIRULENT RACIST IS DATING AWOMAN OF COLOR.

>> I DON'T KNOW IF DATING IS THERIGHT WORD, JON.

HE'S MORE OF A SUGAR BIGOT.

AND BESIDES, HE'S JUST CARRYINGON A GREAT AMERICAN TRADITION.

LOOK, WE RESPECT THOMASJEFFERSON BUT (bleep) MAY HAVE

TURNED OUT DIFFERENTLY IF SALLYHEMMINGS HAD INSTAGRAM.

I TOLD YOU DO NOT BRING KUNTAKINTE TO MY GAMES.

>> Jon: WHAT FILTER IS THAT.WHAT INSTAGRAM FILTER?

>> 70'S.

>> Jon: 70'S? IS IT?>> 1770'S.

>> Jon: ALRIGHT, WELL IN YOURMIND, WHAT SHOULD THE

CONSEQUENCES BE FOR STERLING?

>> OK, JON, NOW. I'VE GIVENTHIS A LOT OF THOUGHT.

WE HAVE TO MAKE THIS RIGHT.

CHRIS PAUL HAS TO COME PLAY FORTHE LAKERS.

>> Jon: WAIT WHAT? I KNOW YOUARE A LAKERS FAN BUT THAT'S YOUR

SOLUTION?

>> YES, YES JON.

I'LL CALL THE NAACP.

>> Jon: WHAT IS THE NAACP GOINGTO DO.

>> THE NATIONAL ASSOCIATION FORTHE ADVANCEMENT OF CHRIS PAUL TO

THE LAKERS.

[ LAUGHTER ]THAT'S RIGHT.

CHRIS, YOU NEED TO ESCAPE.

LOOK, WAIT UNTIL DARK AND THENGO TO THE NORTH SIDE OF STAPLE

CENTER TO THE LAKERS LOCKERROOM.

>> Jon: HOW DOES THIS FIX THERACISM PROBLEM?

>> DON'T BE SILLY.

WE'RE NEVER GOING TO FIX RACISMIN THIS COUNTRY BUT I'M A LAKERS

FAN AND WE CAN FIX BASKETBALL INSOUTHERN CALIFORNIA.

>> Jon: THANK YOU, LARRY. NICELYDONE, SIR.

LARRY WILMORE, EVERYBODY.

WE'LL BE RIGHT BACK.

[CHEERS AND APPLAUSE][CHEERS AND APPLAUSE]

>> Jon: WELCOME BACK.

MY GUEST TONIGHT A NEW YORK METSLEGEND.

IS NEW BOOK IS CALLED "MOOKIE: LIFE, BASEBALL AND THE 86 METS."

PLEASE WELCOME TO THE PROGRAMMOOKIE WILSON.

[CHEERS AND APPLAUSE]MOOKIE WILSON.

[CHEERS AND APPLAUSE]AN HONOR TO SEE YOU HERE.

>> GREAT.

>> Jon: THANK YOU FOR BEINGHERE.

>> THANKS FOR HAVING ME.

>> Jon: REALLY THE LAST TIMEIN MANY YEARS THAT I CAN

ACTUALLY SAY THAT TO A NEW YORKMET.

>> ROUGH TIMES HUH?

>> Jon: IT'S BEEN SOMEROUGH TIMES.

THIS REALLY WAS.

YOU KNOW, YOU WRITE ABOUT 1986.

THERE IS SOMETHING TRULYINDELIBLE ABOUT A CHAMPIONSHIP

SEASON THAT MAKES IT WORTHY OFREMEMBRANCE.

WHAT WAS IT ABOUT THE 86 TEAMWHEN YOU GUYS WON THE WORLD

SERIES? BESIDES THEDRAMATIC FASHION?

>> I THINK IT'S THE CHARACTERS.

I THINK WE WERE A GROUP OFINDIVIDUALS THAT WASN'T AFRAID

TO BE THEMSELVES.

I THINK YOU NEED MORE OF THAT INSPORTS.

>> Jon: MORE OF THAT?

>> YES.

>> Jon: BUT YOU WERE, YOUKNOW, THE 86 TEAM HAD

DOC GOODEN, DARYL STRAWBERRY.KEITH HERNANDEZ.

>> YES.

>> Jon: BUT, YOU WERE A BEACONOF MATURITY IN THAT.

>> OOOH, THAT'S GOOD.

>> Jon: DON'T YOU THINK?

YOU WERE THE ONE GUY EVERYBODYLOVED AND NOBODY EVER WORRIED

ABOUT.

YOU ALWAYS THOUGHT KEITHHERNANDEZ AT SOME POINT, 6:00 IN

THE MORNING SOMEBODY IS GOING TOBE LIKE WHERE IS KEITH?

MOOKIE WILSON NEVER HAD THATISSUE.

>> I THINK THE TEAM -- WE HADTHIS GROUP OVER HERE THAT WAS

REALLY OUTGOING.

A LOT OF PEOPLE CALLED THEM THESCUM BUNCH. YOU KNOW.

[LAUGHTER]THEN YOU HAD THIS OTHER GROUP

OVER HERE THAT WAS REALLY,YOU KNOW, GARY CARTERS,

RON DARLING AND THEN YOU HADTHOSE GUYS IN THE MIDDLE LIKE

MYSELF AND RAFAEL SANTANA THATKINDA KEPT IT ALL TOGETHER.

>> Jon: AND THAT CHEMISTRY?

>> YES.

>> Jon: AND IT BRINGSUP THIS KIND OF, YOU KNOW,

EVERYBODY IS TALKING ABOUTTHIS DONALD STERLING, THIS

RELATIONSHIP BETWEEN A RACISTOWNER, SPORTS REALLY IS AN

UNUSUALLY ALMOST PATERNALSITUATION WITH THE OWNER.

THEY CAN SHIP YOU OUT TO ANOTHERCITY.

DO THE PLAYERS FEEL THATRELATIONSHIP?

>> I THINK IT'S ALWAYS GOINGTO BE THAT WEIRD RELATIONSHIP

BETWEEN PLAYERS, YOU KNOW, ANDMANAGEMENT KNOWING THAT

MANAGEMENT DOES HAVE THE LASTWORD.

IT SOMETIMES DOESN'T MATTER HOWWELL YOU PLAY. IT'S ALL ABOUT

THE RELATIONSHIP BETWEEN THEPLAYER AND OWNERSHIP.

NOW, THIS BASKETBALL SITUATIONIS A REALLY, REALLY DIFFERENT

WHEEL. A LOT OF RACIST REMARKSAND HERE HE OWNS A TEAM

THAT IS WHAT 80% BLACK?

>> Jon: RIGHT.

>> THAT'S KIND OF WEIRD.

>> Jon: THAT IS WEIRD. BUT,YOU FIND IN THESE LEAGUES THE

OWNER IS TYPICALLY WHITE.THE ATHLETES, TYPICALLY

AFRICAN-AMERICAN. THEATHLETES WHO

ARE AFRICAN-AMERICAN HAD TOFIGHT TO BE ALLOWED TO PLAY

AND EVEN NOW STILL HAVE TO FIGHTFOR RIGHTS. THIS IDEA THAT, OK,

YOU KNOW, YOU ARE ALLOWED TOLEAVE AT SEVEN YEARS BUT YOU

HAVE TO PUT IN THIS AMOUNT OFTIME.

DO YOU THINK IS COULD BE ATURNING POINT IN THAT

RELATIONSHIP?

>> I DON'T THINK SO.

I THINK SPORTS HAS SURVIVED. IMEAN,

OVER THE YEARS AS MUCH AS WE'VETRIED TO MESS BASEBALL UP, WE

HAVEN'T WITH STRIKES AND ALLTHAT.

THE GAME WILL SURVIVE. I THINK,

YOU CAN MAKE ALL THE RULES YOUWANT TO BUT UNTIL YOU CHANGE THE

ATTITUDE OF THE PEOPLE, YOU AREGOING TO HAVE THIS KIND OF

IDIOCY NO MATTER WHAT YOU DO.IT'S JUST GOING TO HAPPEN.

>>Jon: RIGHT. RIGHT. AS APLAYER, HOW DO YOU HANDLE THAT

KIND OF, I MEAN, THESE GUY GUYSARE IN THE MIDST OF A

PLAYOFF RUN. NOW, YOU PLAYEDIN NEW YORK.

THERE WAS A TREMENDOUS AMOUNT OFDISTRACTION.

A TREMENDOUS AMOUNT OF MEDIA.

THEY ARE THIS THE SAME IN LOSANGELES.

IS IT POSSIBLE FOR AN ATHLETE ATTHAT HIGH LEVEL TO STILL COMPETE

WITH THIS TYPE OF EMOTION UNDERTHE SURFACE?

>> WELL, FIRST ANDFOREMOST IS ATHLETES DEAL

WITH PRESSURE. EVERY DAY THEYGO ON THE FIELD IT'S

ALL ABOUT WHAT DO YOU THAT DAY.

THIS IS NO DIFFERENT.

THEY ARE NOT PLAYING FOR THEOWNER. THEY ARE PLAYING FOR

THEIR OWN SELF RESPECT.AND YOU KNOW, I'VE HEARD THINGS

ABOUT OH SHOULD THETEAM BOYCOTT AND NOT PLAY.

THAT SERVES NO REAL PURPOSE. IMEAN, IT WOULD DEFEAT THE

PURPOSE OF YOU BEING THERE,PLAYING BASKETBALL AT THE NBA

LEVEL THAT'S A GREAT, GREATHONOR AND TO LET SOME IDIOT NOT

LET YOU FULFILL THE POTENTIALTHAT YOUR TEAM HAS I THINK YOU

WOULD BE DOING YOURSELF ADISSERVICE AND THE LEAGUEITSELF.

>> Jon: SEE WHAT I MEANABOUT YOU HAVING THE MATURITY?

LOOK AT ME.

I'M READY TO FLY OFF THE HANDLE,JUST WALK AWAY FROM THE GAME AND

YOU BROUGHT ME BACK.

HERE IS WHAT I THINK SHOULDHAPPEN.

>> YES. OKAY.

>> Jon: THE CLIPPERS RALLYAROUND THIS, THEY PLAY

UNBELIEVABLE BASKETBALL FOR THENEXT MONTH.

THEY WIN THE NBA CHAMPIONSHIP.

>> YEAH.

>> Jon: AND IN THE LOCKER ROOMIN THE JUBILATION THE TROPHY IS

HANDED TO THEM.

DONALD STERLING IS RIGHT THEREAND THEY GET THE TALLEST GUY.

LET'S GO WITH BLAKE GRIFFIN,HE'S ABOUT 6'11''.

AND HE JUST HOLDS THE TROPHY UPLIKE THIS

AND DONALD STERLING IS -- HE HASTHIS -- CAN'T GET IT. AND DONE.

THEY DON'T LET HIM HAVE IT.

[LAUGHTER]DO YOU STILL, ARE YOU STILL ABLE

TO GET TOGETHER WITH SOME OFFELLAS AND REMINISCE ABOUT IT?

YOU KNOW, TRAGICALLY GARY CARTEROF COURSE PASSED AWAY.

GREAT CHARACTER GUY. AREYOU ABLE TO GET TOGETHER

AND SORT OF REVERT BACKTO FORM FROM THE 80s AND HAVE A

GREAT TIME TOGETHER?

>> WE DON'T WANT TO GO BACK.

WE DO GET TOGETHER AND WHEN WEDO IT'S ONE BIG REUNION.

WE TALK A LOT AND WE LIE ALITTLE BIT, TOO.

>> Jon: THAT'S WHATREMINISCING IS ALL ABOUT.

>> THAT'S WHAT IT'S ALL ABOUT.

>> Jon: AND WHO WOULD HAVETHOUGHT THAT WOULD BE THE LAST

CHAMPIONSHIP THE METS EVER WON.

[ LAUGHTER ]IT'S AN ABSOLUTE PLEASURE TO SEE

YOU AND TO HAVE YOU HERE ON THESHOW.

GET YOURSELF "MOOKIE."

ONE OF THE GREATS.

MOOKIE WILSON, LADIES ANDGENTLEMEN.

[CHEERS AND APPLAUSE]>> Jon: THAT'S OUR SHOW.

JOIN US TOMORROW AT 11:00.

HERE IT IS YOUR MOMENT OF ZEN.

>> APPARENTLY THERE ARE AT LEAST100 HOURS OF THIS GUY ON TAPE

BECAUSE APPARENTLY HE TOLD HER,YOU KNOW, TAPE ME BECAUSE I'M

FORGETFUL AND I WANT TO REMEMBER

WHAT I HAD TO SAY.

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