August 6, 2012 - Tim Gunn

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Judy Miller questions White House security leaks, Jason Jones envisions Thomas Drake's NSA spy case, the Mars rover lands, and Tim Gunn revisits 10 seasons of "Project Runway."

[THEME MUSIC PLAYING]

>> Jon: HEY, WELCOME TO THE DAIL SHOW.

MY NAME IS JON STEWART.

IT'S A BIG ONE TONIGHT.

OUR OLD PAL TIM GUNN GOING TO BE JOINING US.

TIM GUNN'S GOING TO BE JOINING US.

I ASSUME FROM HIS NAME HE'S A HARDSCRABBLE PRIVATE DETECTIVE OR SOMETHING.

[LAUGHTER]

LET ME TELL YOU ABOUT OUR TOP STORY.

LISTEN, PRESIDENT OBAMA HAS HAD SOME NATIONAL SECURITY SUCCESS OVER SEAS, HELPING NATO TOP

QADDAFI, FINDING AND KILLING OSAMA BIN LADEN AND, OF COURSE,

THE LESSER-KNOWN FINDING AND KILLING OF WALDO.

ALL RIGHT.

[LAUGHTER]

BY THE WAY, GREAT NEW BOOK OUT,

"WHERE'S WALDO'S BODY." DON'T LOOK FOR WALDO.

REMEMBER.

HE'S DEAD.

LOOK FOR THE BODY BAG.

YOU CAN GO BACK LATER AND CHECK FOR IT.

BUT IT IS NOT OBAMA'S SECURITY SUCCESSES THAT HAVE HIS CRITICS

UPSET, BUT IT'S THAT WE KNOW SO MUCH ABOUT THESE SUCCESSES.

THE ADMINISTRATION IS BEING ACCUSED OF ALLOWING DAMAGING SECURITY LEAKS TO BURNISH THEIR

OWN REPUTATION, AND THIS IS A PROBLEM.

>> THIS IS THE PROBLEM.

THESE LEAKS, ESPECIALLY THE KIND OF LEAKS THAT ARE BEING INVESTIGATED NOW BY NOT ONE BUT

TWO SPECIAL PROSECUTORS, THEY ARE TRULY INJURIOUS TO THE NATIONAL SECURITY.

THEY JEOPARDIZE OUR SECURITY AS A NATION.

THEY MAKE IT HARDER TO IMPLEMENT FOREIGN POLICY.

>> Jon: THEY ARE JEOPARDIZINGLY INJURIOUS.

LAUGHTER.

THANK YOU, JUDY MILLER, FORMERLY OF "THE NEW YORK TIMES."

LET'S SHOW HOW AN EXAMPLE OF THESE INJURIOUS LEAKS COULD BE USED IN A DAMAGING WAY.

LET'S USE AN EXAMPLE FROM, I DON'T KNOW, SEPTEMBER 8, 2002.

LET'S SAY SOMEBODY IN THE BUSH ADMINISTRATION WANTS THE PUBLIC TO BELIEVE THAT SADDAM HUSSEIN

IS ACTIVELY RECONSTITUTING HIS NUCLEAR WEAPONS OF MASS DESTRUCTION PROGRAM.

WE'LL CALL THAT GUY VICE PRESIDENT DICK CHENEY.

[LAUGHTER]

THE ADMINISTRATION WOULD LEAK THAT INFORMATION ABOUT THE NUCLEAR RECONSTITUTION TO A

HIGH-RANKING "NEW YORK TIMES" REPORTER.

LET'S CALL THAT PERSON, MMM,

JUDY MILLER.

[LAUGHTER]

JUDY MILLER WOULD THEN REPORT THAT INFORMATION IN THE "NEW YORK TIMES."

AT WHICH POINT THE VICE PRESIDENT CHENEY WOULD GO ON "MEET THE PRESS."

>> THERE'S A STORY IN THE "NEW YORK TIMES" THIS MORNING.

I WANT TO ATTRIBUTE THE "TIMES." "HE NOW IS TRYING THROUGH HIS

ILLICIT PROCUREMENT NETWORK TO ACQUIRE THE EQUIPMENT HE NEEDS TO ENRICH URANIUM."

>> Jon: DO YOU SEE WHAT THIS

[BLEEPED] JUST DID.

YOU SEE WHAT THISSON OF A BITCH JUST DID.

THIS GUY WITH THE HUGE... THE STORY THAT CHENEY IS CITING ABOUT THIS RECONSTITUTED PROGRAM

IS THE ONE HIS ADMINISTRATION PLANTED THROUGH JUDY MILLER IN THE "NEW YORK TIMES."

AND NOW TO BRING THE WHOLE THING FULL CIRCLE SHE'S ON THE TV AS THE EXPERT ON WHY OTHER PEOPLE

DOING IT IS NOT GOOD WHEN IN REALITY THE MOVE SHE'S DESCRIBING SHOULD BE CALLED

"PULLING A MILLER." HEY, I GOT SOME DAMAGING NATIONAL SECURITY INFORMATION I

WANT TO GET OUT THERE.

[CHEERING AND APPLAUSE]

I GOT SOME NATIONAL SECURITY INFORMATION I WANT TO GET OUT

THERE.

IT MIGHT BE DAMAGING.

OH, YOU MEAN IT'S MILLER TIME.

DID THE OBAMA ADMINISTRATION LEAK CERTAIN FLATTERING INFORMATION?

I HIGHLY THINK YES.

AND I WILL SAY THIS, TOO.

ON THE FLIP SIDE, WHEN IT'S INFORMATION THE OBAMA ADMINISTRATION NO LIKEY, THE

SONS OF BITCHES ARE GOVERNMENT WHITION L BLOWERS.

IN FACT, OUR OWN JASON JONES HAS MORE.

>> WE HEAR A LOT OF STORIES ABOUT GOVERNMENT WASTE, BUT THERE ARE INDIVIDUALS OUT THERE

FIGHTING FOR THE TAXPAYER, LIKE FORMER NATIONAL SECURITY AGENCY ANALYST THOMAS DRAKE.

>> WHEN I WAS EMPLOYED AT THE M.F.A., ONE OF MY RESPONSIBILITIES WAS TO DISCOVER

THE VERY BEST THAT EXISTED AND PUT IT INTO THE FIGHT.

AND ONE OF THOSE PROGRAMS WAS SPIN THREAD.

>> AN EFFICIENT $4 MILLION INTELLIGENCE GATHERING PROGRAM.

THE PROBLEM WAS THE N.S.A.

ALREADY HAD A PROGRAM CALLED "TRAILBLAZER" THAT DIDN'T QUITE

WORK, SPIED ON AMERICANS AND WAS A TINY BIT MORE EXPENSIVE.

>> $A 3 MILLION PROGRAM MADE A $4 BILLION PROGRAM LOOK PRETTY BAD.

>> AND AFTER HE SHOWED HIS SUPERIORS HOW MUCH MONEY THEY COULD SAVE BY IMPLEMENTING THIN

THREAD, HE RECEIVED THE GOVERNMENT'S HIGHEST HONOR.

>> I WAS CHARGED As A SPY.

>> SORRY.

YOU MISSPOKE.

>> I WAS CHARGED UNDER THE ESPIONAGE ACT FOR BLOWING THE WHISTLE ON MASSIVE FRAUD, WASTE

AND ABUSE AND ILLEGALITIES COMMITTED BY THE U.S.

GOVERNMENT.

>> WHOA!

THIS GUY WASN'T SOME PENCIL PUSHING COST BENEFIT ANALYST.

HE WAS A SUPER SPY AT WAR WITH THE BUM ADMINISTRATION.

WE NEEDED TO MEET MORE DISCREETLY.

>> I THINK THIS IS A SAFE PLACE WE CAN TALK.

>> I HOPE SO.

DO YOU GENTLEMEN HAVE A PERMIT?

>> PARDON ME?

>> YOU NEED A PERMIT TO FILM HERE.

>> THE GOVERNMENT HAD US TAILED.

SO WE MET AGAIN FAR FROM THE WATCHFUL EYE OF BIG BROTHER.

>> GUYS, SERIALLY.

I TOLD YOU, YOU CAN'T BE HERE WITHOUT A PERMIT.

>> WHERE THE HELL ARE WE SUPPOSED TO SHOOT IN THIS STUPID CITY THEN?

ALL RIGHT.

WE WENT BACK TO THE HOTEL.

LIKE ANY GOOD SPY, HE BROUGHT HIS LAWYER TO HELP HIM EXPLAIN WHY HE WASN'T A SPY.

>> THIN THREAD WAS A PROGRAM DEVELOPED WITH JUST A FEW MILLION DOLLARS.

YET THEY SHUT DOWN THE PROGRAM BECAUSE IT'S TOO EFFECTIVEMENT IT SEVERELY EMBARRASSED HIM.

>> WHAT DID YOU DO IN

>> I BROUGHT THIN THREAD TO MY REPORTING OFFICIALS.

>> HE SAID, YOU DON'T WANT TO ASK ANY MORE QUESTIONS,

MR. DRAKE.

LEAVE IT ALONE.

>> HOLY [BLEEPED].

THAT MEETING WOULD MAKE ABAWESOME MOVIE.

>> I WARRANT TO THE FAR ENDS TO FIND THE TRUTH.

>> JASON JONES AS THOMAS DRAKE.

>> I TOOK OFF THE BINNER.

>> IN "THE WHISTLE-BLOWER]

[GUNFIRE]

>> IT'S MY WAY OR THE SKYWAY.

>> THERE WERE NO GUNS.

>> WHAT DO YOU MEAN NO GUNS?

THIS IS THE N.S.A.

>> NO GUNS.

>> THIS DOESN'T SOUND VERY SPY-LIKE.

>> WELL, I HAD MY TWO PIECES OF PAPER OUT.

>> SO YOU WENT IN THERE TWO PAPERS ABLAZING.

I'M HERE TO CUT COSTS AND KICK ASS.

LOOKS LIKE I'M ALL OUT OF COSTS.

♪♪ ♪♪

[LAUGHTER]

[LAUGHTER]

NO FIGHTING IS ALLOWED ON THE N.S.A. PREMISES.

>> OH, COME ON, THAT WAS BAD AS.

>> LOOK AT THAT.

>> DIDN'T HAVE TO DO THAT.

I MADE AN APPOINTMENT TO MEET WITH THEM.

>> GOTCHA.

>> I WAS JUST WONDERING IF HE'S AVAILABLE ON ON THE 3rd.

>>ALL RIGHT.

DOCTOR'S APPOINTMENT.

>> IT'S NOT A VERY GOOD SPY STORY.

>> IT'S REAL LIFE.

>> SO WHAT CAME NEXT?

WHAT DID YOU DO NEXT?

>> WELL, I WAS NOT GOING TO REMAIN SILENT.

I MADE A FATEFUL DECISION TO CONTACT A REPORTER AT THE "BALTIMORE SUN."

>> HOW DID YOU GET THE SECRET OUT, MICROSCOPIC DOT ON YOUR SHOE?

>>

>> YOUR ESOPHAGUS?

>> USING A SECURE E-MAIL SYSTEM.

>> I USED MY E-MAIL.

>> I SHARED INFORMATION REVEALING THE EXISTENCE OF A PROGRAM CALLED THIN THREAD BUT

MASSIVE FRAUD, WASTE AND ABUSE.

>> THIS DESK JOCKEY ALSO REVEALED AN INTERNAL TEST OF THIN THREAD DISCOVERED

INFORMATION IN N.S.A.'S OWN DAY PA BASE THAT MIGHT HAVE ACTUALLY STOPPED 9/11.

AND THAT IS WHEN THE GOVERNMENT SENT IN THEIR NINJA.

>> ACTUALLY, THERE ARE NO NINJAS EMPLOYED BY N.S.A.M.

>> WHO IN THEIR RIGHT MIND WOULD THINK THIS GUY IS A [BLEEPED]

SPY?

HE'S TERRIBLE.

>> I WAS AN AMERICAN WHO TOOK AN TOAT DEFEND THE CONSTITUTION.

IT'S NOT CRIMINAL TO HAVE CONTACT WITH A REPORTER.

>> BUT ACCORDING TO THE GOVERNMENT, IT IS, SO THEY ARRESTED HIM.

>> HERE I AM FACING THE PROSPECT OF A PUBLIC TRIAL IN WHICH IF I WERE FOUND GUILTY I WOULD

ESSENTIALLY SPEND THE REST OF MY NATURAL LIFE IN PRISON.

>> BUT WHEN THE MEDIA STARTED PUBLICIZING DRAKE'S CASE AND THE

N.S.A.'S INCOMPETENCE BECAME PUBLIC, IT WAS CLEAR THE TEN FELONY COUNTS WERE UTTER BULL

[BLEEPED], BUT THE GOVERNMENT STILL MANAGED TO GET HIM TO PLEAD TO THE MOST DAMNING CHARGE

THEY COULD MUSTER.

>> TO EXCEEDING AUTHORIZED USE OF A COMPUTER.

>> IT'S THE EQUIVALENT OF PLAYING TOO MUCH FACEBOOK ON YOUR WORK COMPUTER.

>> THAT'S NOT A GREAT NAME FAR MOVIE TITLE.

THIS IS NOT A MOVIE.

>> YOU BET YOUR ASS IT'S NOT.

>> DRAKE RUINED EVERYTHING FOR MY MOVIE CAREER.

OH, AND ALSO THE N.S.A.

>> THEY'VE CRIMINALIZE FIRM ACTIVITIES.

THEY'VE CRIMINALIZED THE EXPOSURE OF CRIMINAL ACTIVITIES CONDUCTED AT THE HIGHEST LEVELS

OF OUR OWN GOVERNMENT.

>> OR THE PUT THAT IN LEGAL TERMS...

>> IT'S [BLEEPED] UP.

>> NOW THAT IS A MUSH BETTER TITLE.

[APPLAUSE]

>> JASON JONES.

WE'LL BE RIGHT BACK.

IF YOU ARE LIKE MOST PEOPLE,

YOU'RE NOT WATCHING THIS SHOW RIGHT NOW.

[LAUGHTER]

YOU'RE WATCHING AMERICANS SWIM AND RUN MORE QUICKLY THAN MANY OTHER FINE SWIMMERS AND RUNNERS.

>> THE U.S. PICKED UP 11 MEDALS TODAY, INCLUDING FIVE GOLD.

>> U-S-A, U-S-A, U-S-A!

>> CROWD: U-S-A, U-S-A, U-S-A!

>> Jon: IT'S THAT EASY.

I REALLY FEEL LIKE I CAN GET YOU PEOPLE TO MARCH ON ANOTHER COUNTRY RIGHT HERE.

[LAUGHTER]

IT IS A GREAT SHOWING BY AMERICA'S GREATEST JOCK, BUT WHAT OF THE NATION'S GREATEST NERDS?

>> THE MARS ROVER CURIOSITY LANDED SUCCESSFULLY AND SENT BACK ITS FIRST PHOTOS FROM THE

SURFACE OF THE RED PLANET.

>> Jon: U-S-B, U-S-B!

BECAUSE OF THE PORT ON THE BACK OF THE...

WELL, OBVIOUSLY WE'VE HAD ROVERS UP THERE BEFORE.

THIS TIME, THIS TIME IT'S DIFFERENT.

>> THIS THING IS OUTFITTED WITH LASERS THAT CAN DRILL THROUGH CONCRETE.

THEY HAVE ALL SORTS OF SPECK TOMMER THES AND OVENS AND WAYS TO REALLY GATHER ALL THIS INFORMATION.

>> Jon: I GET THE LASERS.

AND I GET THE SPECK SPECTOMETERS.

OVENS?

WE FIND LIFE ON MARS, HEY,

WHAT'S UP, YOU GUYS WANT A PIZZA?

[LAUGHTER]

ANYWAY, LAST TIME WE SENT THE ROVER, WE COVERED THE ROVER IN BUBBLE WRAP AND JUST THREW IT IN

THE GENERAL DIRECTION OF MARS,

STANDARD STUFF.

IT WASN'T VERY EXCITING.

>> WE'VE GOT LITERALLY SEVEN MINUTES TO GET FROM THE TOP OF

THE ATMOSPHERE TO THE SURFACE OF MARS GOING FROM 13,000mph TO 0.

>> Jon: GO ON.

>> WE SLAM INTO THE ATMOSPHERE.

WE'RE STILL GOING ABOUT 1,000mph.

IT HEATS UP AND IT GLOWS LIKE THE SURFACE OF THE SUN.

>> THE PARACHUTE IS THE LARGEST AND STRONGEST SUPERSONIC

PARACHUTE THAT WE'VE EVER BUILT.

>> WE HAVE TO GET THAT THING CHILLED OFF.

>> THIS BIG, HUGE PARACHUTE WE'VE GOT, IT WILL ONLY SLOW US DOWN TO 200mph.

WE'VE GOT TO CUT IT OFF AND THEN COME DOWN IN ROCKETS.

[LAUGHTER AND APPLAUSE]

>> Jon: WE'RE NEVER GOING TO MAKE IT.

WHAT HAPPENS NEXT?

>> 0 METERS ABOVE THE SURFACE,

WE HAVE TO LOWER THE ROVER BELOW US ON A TETHER.

>> AS THE ROVER TOUCHES DOWN, IT IS NOW ON THE GROUND, IT'S IN A

COLLISION COURSE WITH THE ROVER.

WE MUST CUT IT IMMEDIATELY.

[LAUGHTER]

>> Jon: THE ROVER IS NOW READY TO COLLECTED ROCKS.

[LAUGHTER]

THAT IS AMAZING.

WHAT THEY DID IS AMAZING.

YOU CAN UNDERSTAND WHY WHEN MISSION CONTROL GOT WORD OF THE SUCCESSFUL LANDING, THEY, IN

SCIENTIFIC TERMS, LOST THEIR

[BLEEPED]

>> TOUCH DOWN CONFIRMED.

WE'RE SAFE ON MARS.

[WILD CHEERING AND APPLAUSE]

>> THAT'S IT.

[CHEERING]

>> CROWD: U-S-A, U.S.A. SAY!

>> Jon: THEY DON'T KNOW WHICH COUNTRY TO CHEER NOW.

U-S-A, IT'S GERMAN ENGINEERS,

BLAH, BLAH, BLAH.

THEY'RE GOING NUTS.

STATISTICALLY SPEAKING THERE'S A VERY HIGH LIKELIHOOD THAT ONE OF

US IS GOING TO GET LAID TONIGHT.

I FOR ONE AM GOING TO OPTIMIZE MY CHANCES WITH SHIRLEY IN PROPULSION.

[LAUGHTER]

SADLY THE CELEBRATION WAS CUT SHORT SO THAT THE MISSION CONTROL CREW WOULDN'T BE LATE TO

THEIR SHIFT AT BEST BUY.

WOW!

BAM!

THOSE PEOPLE JUST LANDED A ROBOT ON [BLEEPED] MARS AND I MADE FUN OF

MY GUEST TONIGHT IS THE CHIEF CREATIVE OFFICER AT LIZ CLAIBORNE.

HE'S TALINGS CO-HOST OF LIFETIME TV'S "PROJECT RUNWAY" NOW IN ITS TENTH SEASON.

>> MY CUSTOMER IS A MOM ON THE GO.

>> CAN I BE BLUNT?

IT LOOKS SAD.

>> I'M DOING A PAIR OF LONG SHORTS AND A WOVEN TOP.

>> WATCH THE PROPORTION.

YOU WANT THERE TO BE SOME DIFFERENCE IN THE TWO.

>> OKAY.

>> I'M MAKING A HOODIE OUT OF A HEAVIER KNIT.

WE HAVE A LONG-SLEEVE TEE,

ANOTHER TANK THAT'S GOING UNDERNEATH WITH THE LONG LEGGINGS.

>> SO LOTS OF LAYERING.

>> LOTS OF LAYERING.

>> ALL RIGHT.

GO BACK TO SEWING SO YOU'LL HAVE THINGS TO PUT ON YOUR MODEL WHEN SHE COMES IN FOR A FITTING.

>> PLEASE WELCOME BACK TO THE PROGRAM TIM GUNN.

[CHEERING AND APPLAUSE]

MY MAN.

[CHEERING ANDHOW ARE YOU?

>> I'M ALWAYS BETTER FOR HAVING BEEN WITH YOU?

>> Jon: HOW IS THE SHOW GOING?

IT'S THE TENTH YEAR

>> IT'S ACTUALLY YEAR EIGHT.

WE PREMIERED IN 2004.

>> Jon: THEN YOU DOUBLED DOWN ON A COUPLE SEASONS.

>> A COUPLE.

>> Jon: WHAT DO THEY DO WITH EVERYTHING THEY MAKE?

DO YOU KEEP IT?

IS THERE A LOST AND FOUND?

>>

>> WE AUCTION IT OFF.

>> Jon: REALLY?

>> YES, PEOPLE AT HOME CAN ACTUALLY OWN IT.

I ACTUALLY AM GLAD THAT I'M NOT AT THEIR HOMES WHEN IT ARRIVES BECAUSE WE REALLY DO HAVE A DAY

FOR MOST OF THESE CHALLENGES.

THEY'RE NOT PRETTY ON THE INSIDE.

ON THE OUTSIDE THEY MAY BE, BUT NOT ON THE INSIDE.

>>

>> Jon: TO USE A WORD "SAD." NOW, DO YOU WATCH?

BECAUSE "PROJECT RUNWAY" WAS ONE OF FIRST REALITY SHOWS WHERE PEOPLE HAD A DEMONSTRABLE ABILITY.

THEY HAD A REAL SKILL.

YOU WOULD PUT THEM UNDER THIS CRUCIBLE OF PRESSURE.

THAT SEEMS TO HAVE TAKEN OFF NOW, BUT YOU GUYS WERE ONE OF THE FIRST ONES TO DO THAT.

>> THANK YOU.

WHEN THE PRODUCERS FIRST CONTACTED ME BECAUSE THEY WERE LOOKING FOR A CONSULTANT.

THEY WERE LOOKING FOR A CONSULTANT.

THEY WERE DOING A REALITY SHOW ABOUT FASHION.

I SAID, A REALITY SHOW ABOUT FASHION.

THIS INDUSTRY HAS ENOUGH TROUBLE WITHOUT THAT.

I FIGURED I'D TAKE SOMEONE OFF THE STREET AT RANDOM AND YOU'RE

GOING TO MAKE SOME CLOTHES.

BUT WHEN I HEARD THEY WANTED TO USE REAL FASHION DESIGNERS, I THOUGHT THIS SHOW WILL HAVE A

SERIOUSNESS OF PURPOSE, IT WILL HAVE INTEGRITY AND INDEED IT DOES.

>> HOW DO THEY HOLD UP NOW THAT THEY'VE GONE, THE TENTH SEASON,

I ASSUME THAT THE QUALITY OF THE PEOPLE THAT YOU'RE GETTING CONTINUES TO IMPROVE.

HOW DO THEY... DO THEY STILL NOT UNDERSTAND THE PRESSURE OF THE SHOW?

DO SOME OF THE PEOPLE LEAVE THIS?

>> YES.

>> WHAT, I HAVE A DAY?

I'M LEAVING.

>> IT'S INCONCEIVABLE TO ME,

JON.

I SAY, HAVE YOU WATCHED THE SHOW?

THEIR RESPONSE, IS WELL, WE THOUGHT YOU FAKED IT.

WE THOUGHT THAT, IN FACT...

>> Jon: LIKE PRO WRESTLING?

>> OH, WE REALLY HAVE A WEEK FOR THESE CHALLENGES.

NO, YOU HAVE A DAY.

YOU HAVE THE CHALLENGE THIS MORNING.

YOU'RE SHOWING IT ON A RUNWAY THERE N FRONT OF HEIDI KLUM TOMORROW.

>> JON: DIDN'T YOU FAKE HEIDI KLUM?

>> HEIDI IS IMPOSSIBLE TO FAKE.

SHE'S IMPOSSIBLE TO FAKE.

SHE'S BREATHTAKING, ISN'T SHE?

>> A LITTLE BIT, YEAH.

>> I'M A VERY LUCKY GUY, JON.

>> Jon: I WOULD PUT HER ON A MAGAZINE.

[LAUGHTER]

>> I'LL SHARE THAT IDEA WITH HER.

>> Jon: DID YOU WATCH... ARE THERE OTHER REALITY-TYPE THINGS?

DO YOU WATCH COOKING SHOWS?

>> YOU KNOW, I HAVE TO SAY THAT THE REALITY COOKING SHOWS I FIND INTERESTING ALSO, THOUGH AS

EVERYONE ALWAYS SAYS, YOU CAN'T TASTE IT, YOU CAN'T SMELL IT.

YOU HAVE TO RELY ON THE THE JUDGES.

IN THE CASE OF PROJECT RUNWAY,

EVERYONE AT HOME CAN BE A JUDGE AND I ASSUME THEY ARE.

>> Jon: I AM FIERCE.

I DO A LOT OF THIS, YOU WILL NOT PUT THAT OUT THERE.

NO.

NO, NO, NO.

I GET VERY INVOLVED IN THE WHOLE THING.

THE PEOPLE THAT HAVE GRADUATED,

I'M ALWAYS CURIOUS ABOUT THIS BECAUSE THEY DO THIS NOW ON THESE OTHER SHOWS, "AMERICAN

IDOL." THEY BRING BACK THE WINNERS OF YEARS PAST, AND SOME OF THEM

HAVE HAD TREMENDOUS CAREERS AND THEN OTHERS ARE NOW LIVING IN A BOX.

SO WHAT... WHAT HAS BEEN... HAS THE SUCCESS OF THE SHOW TRANSLATED TO PROFESSIONAL SUCCESS?

>> MY RESPONSE TO THIS QUESTION,

AND I RECEIVE IT WITH SOME FREQUENCY IS THE DESIGNERS CAN ONLY WITH AS SUCCESSFUL AS THEIR

RESOURCES AND THEIR AMBITIONS ALLOW THEM TO BE.

>> RIGHT.

>> AND WE'VE HAD ANY NUMBER OF DESIGNERS WHO HAVE COME FROM

PLACES OTHER THAN NEW YORK OR LOS ANGELES.

THEY WANTED TO STAY HOME.

I'M THINKING ABOUT CHLOE DOW,

THE WINNER OF SEASON TWO, SHE STAYED IN HOUSTON.

SHE TRIPLED HER BUSINESS.

SHE'S ON QVC REGULARLY.

SHE'S PAYING THE BILLS.

AND SHE'S REALLY VERY, VERY HAPPY.

THEN YOU HAVE SOMEONE LIKE THE SEASON FOUR WINNER, CHRISTIAN SIRIANO WHO HAS BECOME

PRACTICALLY A HOUSEHOLD NAME.

HE'S A BIG BRAND NOW.

>> Jon: AND OTHERS GET A JOB WORKING FOR ANOTHER DESIGNER,

AND THAT'S NOT UNUSUAL, AND NO SHAME IN THAT.

>> NO SHAME AT ALL.

ALSO LOOK AT THIS ECONOMY.

IT'S A REALLY TOUGH TIME TO BE A FLEDGLING FASHION DESIGNER.

IT'S A TOUGH TIME.

>> Jon: IT'S A TOUGH TIME REALLY TO BE ANYTHING.

>> ANYTHING, I AGREE WITH YOU.

I AGREE.

>> OTHER THAN WHAT I ACTUALLY DO THIS SHOW AND I RUN A HEDGE FUND.

I'M DOING QUITE WELL.

WELL, PROJECT RUNWAY AIRS ON THURSDAYS AT 9:00 P.M. ON LIFETIME SEASON 10.

DON'T GIVE ANYTHING AWAY.

>> I WON'T.

>> Jon: HEIDI KLUM GETS EATEN BY A BEAR.

>> HEIDI COULD EVEN SEDUCE A WILD BEAR.

>> Jon: CAN I TELL YOU SOMETHING?

NICE OF YOU TO CALL ME THAT.

[LAUGHTER]

TIM GUNN.

[CHEERING AND APPLAUSE]

>> Jon: THAT'S OUR SHOW.

HERE IT, IS YOUR MOMENT OF ZEN.

>> SHE WANTED YOU TO HAVE A GIFT FROM STELLA.

THESE ARE STELLA'S OLYMPIC KNICKERS.

WELL, MATT HAD THESE ON EARLIER.

>> WE'RE USED TO THIS.

FOR FIVE YEARS MEREDITH CAME TO THE SHOW EVERY MORNING CARRYING

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