June 10, 2014 - Sebastian Junger

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Congress scrutinizes the V.A. for its ongoing failures, Jordan Klepper investigates how unionizing would affect college athletes, and Sebastian Junger discusses "Korengal."

>> Jon: HI. WELCOME TO "THEDAILY SHOW." I'M JON STEWART.

GOOD SHOW FOR YOU TONIGHT.

MY GUEST TONIGHT, SEBASTIANJUNGER. HE'S THE DIRECTOR OF THE

NEW DOCUMENTARY "KORENGAL,"AND WE'RE VERY EXCITED

ABOUT THAT. IT'S THE FOLLOW UPTO "RESTREPO,"

WHICH YOU ALL REMEMBER.

BUT FIRST, YOU KNOW, WE KNOWABOUT THE V.A. BACKLOG AND HOW

PRESIDENT OBAMA PROMISEDTO FIX IT BACK THERE IN,

WHAT DO YOU CALL IT, OT 8.AND HOW BEFORE THAT, GEORGE BUSH

HAD PROMISED TO FIX IT. ANDBEFORE THAT, WELL I GUESS

IT COULD BE SUMMED UP BYHARRY S. TRUMAN,

HARRY S. TRUMAN WHO SAID IN1945, THIS IS TRUE,

FIVE WEEKS AFTER HE TOOK OVERFOR FRANKLIN DELANO ROOSEVELT,

WHO HAD DIED OF A BRAINHEMORRHAGE AFTER HE TRIED TO

WRAP HIS MIND AROUND THE V.A.

F.D.R., POLIO, NO PROBLEM.

DEPRESSION, NO PROBLEM.

HITLER, TOJO, NO PROBLEM.

THE V.A.?

ANYWAY, AS HARRY TRUMAN SAID,"THE VETERANS ADMINISTRATION

WILL BE MODERNIZED AS SOON ASPOSSIBLE, BUT I CAN'T DO IT

IMMEDIATELY."

[LAUGHTER]TRUMAN!

THE GUY WHO WAS ABLE TO HARNESSTHE POWER OF THE ATOM.

THE GUY WITH WHOM THE BUCK STOPSCOULDN'T MAKE A DENT IN THE V.A.

WELL, THE V.A.'S GOTTEN AWAYWITH IT FOR A PRETTY LONG TIME.

GUESS WHAT, FACELESSBUREAUCRACY?

YOU JUST STEPPED IN [BLEEPED]CREEK WITHOUT A CAN OF WHOOP

ASS.

[LAUGHTER]GOT TO GET BETTER AT METAPHORS.

BECAUSE ALL YOUR SHENANIGANSATTRACTED SOME WHAT I THINK

YOU'LL FIND IS UNWANTEDATTENTION.

>> MEMBERS OF CONGRESS AREHOLDING A RARE NIGHTTIME HEARING

TO TACKLE ONE OF THE BIGGESTSCANDALS TO EVER HIT THE

DEPARTMENT OF VETERANS AFFAIRS.

>> Jon: OH [BLEEPED], YOU'RE INTROUBLE NOW, MOTHER [BLEEPED].

[CHEERING AND APPLAUSE]CONGRESS IS HOLDING A HEARING ON

YOUR ASS. AND NOT JUST HEARING,A NIGHT HEARING.

CONGRESS AFTER DARK.

[LAUGHTER]WHEN YOUR TYPICAL DO-NOTHING,

BUMBLING CONGRESS TRANSFORMSINTO BAT-CONGRESS.

I'M BAT-CONGRESS.

TO THE LOW APPROVAL RATINGMOBILE.

>> A LOT OF THE EQUIPMENT, THETECHNOLOGY THAT THE VETERANS

HAVE IS OUTDATED.

COULD THAT AFFECT PART OF THESCHEDULING PROBLEMS?

>> Jon: HMM.

WHAT AN APT NON-GRANDSTANDYQUESTION, DELIVERED IN A SUBDUED

MANNER.

INTERESTING.

OBVIOUSLY TECHNOLOGY CHANGESRAPIDLY.

THE SYSTEMS ARE PROBABLYSLIGHTLY OUT OF DATE THERE.

THAT COULD HAVE AN EFFECT.

PERHAPS THE V.A.'S LAPTOPS ANDiPAD ARE STILL RUNNING ON

PANTHER WHEN THEY SHOULD BERUNNING ON O.S. MAVERICK.

ANSWER THE QUESTION.

>> OUR SCHEDULING SYSTEMSCHEDULED ITS FIRST APPOINTMENT

IN APRIL OF 1985.

IT HAS NOT CHANGED IN ANYAPPRECIABLE MANNER SINCE THAT

DATE.

[AUDIENCE REACTS][LAUGHTER]

>> Jon: FIRST OF ALL, IS THEV.A. REPRESENTED BY ONE OF THE

UNDEAD?

SECOND OF ALL...

[LAUGHTER][SPEAKING IN A ROBOTIC VOICE]:

IT HAS NOT CHANGED.

IT STILL WANTS BRAINS.

BUT SERIOUSLY THOUGH, 1985?

YOU'RE RUNNING O.S. TANDY1000.

YOUR SYSTEM CAN'T PROCESSCLAIMS, BUT IT CAN PRINT AN

ALL-TEXT PICTURE OF SNOOPY.

1985?

ARE YOU KIDDING ME?

HAVE YOU EVER SAW THE MOVIE "THENET" ON LATE-NIGHT CABLE AND

LAUGHED OUT LOUD ALONE ABOUT HOWOUTDATED THE TECHNOLOGY SEEMS?

>> THIS WAS FALSE ALARM.

O.

>> YES.

[LAUGHTER]>> Jon: THAT'S TEN YEARS MORE

ADVANCED THAN WHAT THE V.A. ISCURRENTLY USING.

[CHEERING AND APPLAUSE]I MEAN, THAT'S POW. WHAT?

LET ME ASK YOU A QUESTION:WHERE'S THE OFFICE OF THE

INSPECTOR GENERAL ON THIS?

DOES THE V.A. HAVE AN INSPECTORGENERAL, OR IS IT JUST A PUMPKIN

IN HAT?

COME ON!

ISSUE A REPORT.

>> SINCE 2005, THE O.I.G. HASISSUED 18 REPORTS THAT

IDENTIFIED AT BOTH THE NATIONALAND LOCAL LEVEL DEFICIENCIES IN

SCHEDULING RESULTING IN LENGTHYWAIT TIMES AND A NEGATIVE IMPACT

ON PATIENT CARE.

>> Jon: OH.

THAT'S TWO REPORTS A YEAR ON THEPROBLEM.

CONGRESS, DO YOU HAVE ANYTHINGTO SAY ON THAT?

>> MR. GRIFFIN?

SIR, IN YOUR TESTIMONY YOUSTATED THAT THE O.I.G. HAS

ISSUED 18 REPORTS THAT IDENTIFYDEFICIENCIES IN SCHEDULING

WITHIN THE V.A. SINCE 2005.

CAN YOU ELABORATE ON SOME OF THERECOMMENDATIONS IDENTIFIED

WITHIN YOUR REPORTS?

>> Jon: OH, ELABORATE ON THEM.

WELL, THERE'S 18 OF THEM.

IT SOUNDS PRETTY [BLEEPED]ELABORATE. I UMM,

SIR, I KNOW YOU'VE SENT THEREPORTS TO CONGRESS, AND I'M IN

CONGRESS, BUT THERE'S SOMETHINGI NEED TO TELL YOU.

[WHISPERING]: I CAN'T READ.

I'M SO ASHAMED.

WHENEVER I GO OUT THE EAT, IHAVE TO GO TO DENNY'S BECAUSE I

HAVE TO POINT TO THE PICTURES.

[LAUGHTER]IT'S JUST GRAND SLAM AFTER GRAND

SLAM.

>> DID THOSE I.G. REPORTS NEVERMAKE IT TO YOU?

>> IN RESPONSE TO THAT G.A.O.

REPORT, WE WENT BACK AND LOOKEDAT HOW WE COMPUTED THE WAIT

TIMES FOR VETERANS WHO ARE NEWTO A CLINIC.

>> CAN YOU SAY THAT TODAY THAT'SFAILURE?

WHAT YOU GUYS DID AT ANINTERMEDIARY LEVEL WAS FAILURE.

>> I WOULD SAY WE DID NOT KNOWAT THAT POINT IN TIME,

CONGRESSWOMAN, THE NATURE ANDTHE SCOPE OF THE PROBLEM.

>> Jon: [WHISPERING]: I'MGOING TO KILL SOMEBODY.

IF ONLY THERE WAS SOME VISUALREPRESENTATION OF HOW

RESPONSIBILITY FOR THIS MESS ISBATTED BACK AND FORTH BETWEEN

CONGRESS AND THE V.A. PERHAPSUSING TECHNOLOGY THE V.A.

WOULD BE COMFORTABLE OPERATING.OH, HERE GO. I READ THE

REPORT. AND DIDN'T. PERHAPS YOUCAN READ THE REPORT. AND OH,

MAYBE IF WE ALL READ THE REPORTSAND THEN WE CAN GO THROUGH.

BUT CONGRESS IS REALLY THEISSUE.

[LAUGHTER][BEEP]

I USED TO PLAY THAT FOR HOURS.[BEEP]

CAN'T WE FIGURE OUT SOME --[LAUGHTER]

CAN'T WE FIGURE OUT SOME WAY TOUSE THAT DEATH DRONE N.S.A.

TECHNOLOGY FOR ADMINISTRATIVEPURPOSES AT THE V.A.?

WHAT'S CAPTAIN AMERICA DOINGWHEN HE'S NOT FIGHTING?

CAN HE HELP?

THIS GUY, RIGHT HERE, BOOM.

JUST GIVE HIM AN AMERICAN-THEMEDCLIPBOARD OR AN iPAD AND LET

HIM AT THE BACKLOG.

>> MEN, YOUR WAIT TIMES AREOVER.

I'M TAKING YOU ALL TO SEEDOCTORS.

>> THEY SAID THERE WERE NOAVAILABLE APPOINTMENTS FOR EIGHT

MONTHS.

>> WELL, THERE'S A NEW UNDERSECRETARY OF HEALTH MANAGEMENT

IN TOWN.

>> WE'RE ALL GOING TO GETMEDICINE.

REGULAR HEALTH CHECK-UPS HERE ICOME.

GO TO HELL, BACKLOG!

>> Jon: REFORM!

WE'LL BE RIGHT BACK.

>> Jon: WELCOME BACK.

YESTERDAY, JUSTYESTERDAY... YESTERDAY

THE NCAA SETTLED A LAWSUIT WITHFORMER COLLEGE BASKETBALL

AND FOOTBALL PLAYERS WHO WERESEEKING COMPENSATION FOR THE

MILLIONS OF DOLLARS IN PROFITTHE NCAA HAD MADE OFF THEIR

LIKENESS AND VIDEO GAMES.

SO NOW THE NCAA ADVANCES IN THEBRACKET TO THEIR NEXT LAWSUIT.

BUT WHERE WILL IT END?

WITH FAIRLY COMPENSATINGATHLETES FOR THE UNGODLY AMOUNTS

OF MONEY THEY BRING INTO THENCAA?

I HOPE NOT.

THIS IS AMERICA.

HOW FAR CAN IT GO?

JORDAN KLEPPER HAS MORE.

>> COLLEGE FOOTBALL IS THE LASTBASTION OF SPORTS AMATEURISM,

WHERE STUDENT-ATHLETES PLAY FORTHE LOVE OF THE -- OH, DAMN, DID

YOU SEE THAT HIT?

HE GOT CRUSHED!

BUT NOW THIS SPORT IS BEINGRUINED BY PLAYERS LIKE KAIN

COLTER, SEEN HERE SELFISHLY RITEWRITHING ON THE GROUND, WHO

INSIST THEY DESERVE MORE.

>> YOU KNOW, RIGHT NOW NOT ONEPENNY IS GUARANTEED TO PAY FOR

OUR MEDICAL EXPENSES.

YOU HEAR ALL THESE HORRORSTORIES ABOUT PLAYERS LOSING

THEIR SCHOLARSHIPS WHEN THEY'VEBEEN INJURED.

WHAT ARE THESE KIDS GOING DO?

>> THEY SHOULD GET A SECOND JOB.

>> WE ALREADY HAVE FALL-TIMEJOB.

WE DON'T HAVE TIME GET A SECONDJOB.

>> OK, WELL THEN WHY DON'T YOUJUST SELL KAIN COLTER JERSEYS,

MAKE SOME EXTRA CASH.

>> YOU'RE NOT ALLOWED TO PROFITOFF YOUR LIKENESS.

>> WHY DON'T YOU JUST JOINANOTHER LEAGUE?

>> THERE IS NO OTHER LEAGUE.

>> YOU HAVE A LOT OF COMPLAINTS.

>> UNFORTUNATELY RIGHT NOW, YOUKNOW, A LOT OF THOSE EXPENSES

DOWN THE ROAD ARE GONNA BECOMING OUT OF OUR OWN POCKET

EVEN THOUGH YOU KNOW, WESUFFERED THE INJURIES WEARING

OUR SCHOOL'S COLORS.

>> DON'T YOU THINK WHEN YOU GOIN WITH BACK PAIN, THAT THAT

DOCTOR INSTEAD OF MONEYWILL ACCEPT A NICE

LITTLE ANECDOTE ABOUT HOW FUNIT WAS TO BEAT WISCONSIN?

>> WE DIDN'T BEAT WISCONSIN.

>> OH.

WELL, THAT'S ON YOU.

WHETHER IT'S COULTER AND OTHERCOLLEGIATE ATHLETES ONCE AGAIN

WHINING THAT THEY DESERVE A CUTOF NCAA PROFIT OR BRAND-NEW

COMPLAINTS ABOUT LOSING THEIRELIGIBILITY BECAUSE THEY PLAYED

PICK-UP FOOTBALL WHILE SERVINGIN THE MILITARY...

>> IT WAS JUST AN INTRAMURALLEAGUE, YOU KNOW, TO BUILD

CAMARADERIE BETWEEN TROOPS.

I DIDN'T FIGURE THEY WOULDPENALIZE ME FOR THAT.

BUT THEN COULTER DID SOMETHINGTRULY DESPICABLE.

>> NORTHWESTERN UNIVERSITY'SFOOTBALL TEAM IS ASKING TO BE

REPRESENTED BY A LABOR UNION.

>> YES, A UNION.

COULTER IS ACTUALLY TRYING CLAIMTHAT HE'S AN EMPLOYEE OF THE

UNIVERSITY.

CLEARLY THE FOOTBALL PLAYERSSHOULD STICK TO FOOTBALL.

>> FUMBLE, FUMBLE.

FUMBLE.

>> YOU ALL RIGHT?>> YEAH.

>> YOU OKAY?>>YEAH.

I'M GOOD.

>> YOU'RE NOT AN EMPLOYEE.

YOU'RE A FOOTBALL PLAYER.

>> NO, WE ARE EMPLOYEES. JUSTLIKE THE NFL PLAYERS ARE

EMPLOYEES, COLLEGE FOOTBALLPLAYERS ARE EMPLOYEES.

>> AN EMPLOYEE HAS TO SIGN ACONTRACT.

>> COLLEGE FOOTBALL PLAYERS SIGNONE-YEAR TENDER AGREEMENTS FOR

THE SCHOLARSHIP.

>> ALRIGHT, WELL, EMPLOYEES HAVETO WORK LIKE 40 HOURS A WEEK.

>> WE SPEND 50 TO 60 HOURS AWEEK PRACTICING IN THE OFF

SEASON.

>> WELL, EMPLOYEES GETCOMPENSATION.

>> WE'RE COMPENSATED IN THE FORMOF A SCHOLARSHIP, ROOM, TUITION

AND BOARD.

>> EMPLOYEES DON'T LIVE INDORMS.

[LAUGHTER]OH.

OH, GOTCHA.

MEANWHILE, TRUE COLLEGE FOOTBALLFANS LIKE REPUBLICAN STRATEGIST

DEE DEE BENKIE UNDERSTAND THATTO OFFER THE PLAYERS

COMPENSATION OF ANY KIND WOULDDESTROY THIS BELOVED SPORT.

>> FUMBLE.

FUMBLE.

FUMBLE.

>> THEY GET FREE ROOM AND BOARD,A FREE EDUCATION AND THEY'RE

PLAYING THE GAME THEY LOVE.

THAT'S NOT ENOUGH?

>> THESE GUYS ARE GETTING FREEWATER ON THE SIDELINES.

>> EXACTLY.

>> FREE GATORADE.

>> YES.

>> FREE TRIPS ON THE LITTLE CARTTHAT TAKES YOU TO THE EMERGENCY

ROOM.

>> WELL, THAT'S UP TO THEM.

IF THEY DON'T WANT TO PLAYFOOTBALL, THEY CAN DO SOMETHING

ELSE.

THESE FOOTBALL PLAYERS SHOULD BEPLAYING FOR THE LOVE OF THE

GAME.

>> EXACTLY.

TAKE A LESSON FROM THE NCAA ANDTHEIR SPONSORS WHO PUT ON THEIR

ANNUAL BOWL GAME SERIES FOR THELOVE OF THE -- WAIT.

WHO THE [BLEEPED] IS BEEF 'O'BRADY?

OK, MAYBE THE NCAA DOES MAKE $11BILLION A YEAR, BUT UNIONS ARE

NOT THE ANSWER.

SAYS THE NCAA.

>> USING A UNION EMPLOYEE MODELSTRIKES MOST PEOPLE AS GROSSLY

INAPPROPRIATE SOLUTION TO THEPROBLEM.

>> AND THESE PLAYERS HAD NO IDEAHOW INAPPROPRIATE.

>> WHAT ARE THESE FOOTBALLPLAYERS GOING TO DO IF THEY

UNIONIZE?

DO THEY GET A MANDATORY SMOKEBREAK EVERY HOUR?

WHAT HAPPENS IF THEY STRIKE?

UNIONS ARE OVERBEARING. THEY'REWORTHLESS.

THEY WANT TO CONTROL EVERYTHING.

THEY JUST TRY TO BE MONEYGRABBING LOSERS AND TRY TAKE THE

MONEY OUT OF HARD-WORKINGAMERICANS' POCKETS.

>> DEE DEE, THE CREW IS UNION,SO THEY CONTROL... THE PLAYERS

ARE DETERMINED TO TAKE THIS TOTHE COURT, FORCING CRITICS

LIKE BENKIE TO SEE THAT,OKAY, MAYBE THESE

PLAYERS SHOULD GET A SMALL,SMALL, TINY SLICE OF THE PIE.

>> THE NCAA, THEY HAVE A TON OFCASH.

THEY NEED TO BEEF UP THESCHOLARSHIPS.

I AGREE WITH THAT.

I THINK MOST PEOPLE DO.

>> THEY NEED TO BEEF UP THESCHOLARSHIPS A LITTLE BIT.

THEY JUST NEED SOME GROUP THATCOULD MAYBE COLLECTIVELY BARGAIN

ON THEIR BEHALF.

>> WELL, I DON'T KNOW THAT.

NO. KEEP THE UNIONS OUT OF IT.

>> KEEP THE UNIONS OUT OF IT.

NOW IS THE TIME TO SHOW COLTERWHAT UNIONIZED COLLEGE FOOTBALL

WOULD REALLY LOOK LIKE.

>> WHOA, YOU DON'T RUN ALL THEWAY.

YOU ARE 40 TO 30, YOU HAND ITOFF TO MY MAN HERE, HE'S 30 TO

20.

>> A GAME THAT'S NOTHING BUTHALF-ASS WORK PUNCTUATED BY

SMOKE BREAKS.

>> SLOW DOWN! SLOW DOWN! THISTEAM GETS PAID BY THE HOUR.

GIVE IT TO YOUR LOCAL TENS.

FILL OUT YOUR W-9s AND LETTHE END ZONE DANCING LOCAL 20

FINISH THE JOB.

>> HEY, ALL RIGHT.

>> Jon: JORDAN KLEPPER.

WE'LL BE RIGHT BACK.

>> WELCOME BACK.

MY GUEST TONIGHT, BESTSELLINGAUTHOR, DOCUMENTARY FILMMAKER,

HIS NEW DOCUMENTARY IS CALLED"KORENGAL."

>> THIS ONE'S FOR YOU, AMERICA.

>> FOR A WHILE THERE, I STARTED,I STARTED THINKING THAT GOD

HATES ME. AND LIKE I SAID, I'MNOT RELIGIOUS OR ANYTHING, BUT

I FELT LIKE THERE WAS THIS HATEFOR ME BECAUSE I DID SINS,

YOU KNOW, I SINNED.

>> PLEASE WELCOME BACK TO THEPROGRAM SEBASTIAN JUNGER.

[CHEERING AND APPLAUSE]SIR.

HOW ARE YOU, MAN?

>> I'M GOOD.

>> Jon: GOOD TO SEE YOU AGAIN.

>> YOU TOO.

>> Jon: I'M ALWAYS HAPPY TOSEE YOU IN ONE PIECE.

>> YEAH, ME TOO.

ME TOO.

>> Jon: SO THAT, IT'SINTERESTING.

AT THE END OF THAT CLIP, SO THATGENTLEMAN WHO WAS TALKING, HE

WAS TALKING ABOUT HE FELT THATGOD HATES HIM.

AS THAT CONTINUES, HE SAYS, BUTTHE THING I HATE MOST IS WHEN

PEOPLE SAY TO ME, HEY, MAN, YOUDID WHAT YOU HAD TO DO.

>> YEAH.

WHAT HE HATED ABOUT THAT IS HEFELT LIKE IT WAS AN ATTEMPT TO

END THE CONVERSATION.

SOLDIERS FEEL THAT CIVILIANSSEND THEM TO WAR.

IT'S NOT THE SOLDIER'S WAR, IT'SOUR WAR, AND THEN THEY COME

BACK, AND THE MORAL PROBLEMS OFWAR, THE CIVILIANS DON'T REALLY

WANT TO TALK ABOUT.

AND SO THEY SAY, YOU DID WHATYOU HAD TO DO, CAN WE STOP

TALKING ABOUT IT. THAT'S WHAT HEHATES ABOUT IT.

>> AND HE EVEN SAID, HE SAID,LOOK, I DIDN'T DO WHAT I HAD TO

DO, I CHOSE TO DO IT. I'M,I'M A SOLDIER.

I VOLUNTEERED.

AND, IT'S VERY INTERESTING.

THIS IS... YOU SEE THECAMARADERIE AND THE LOVE THESE

GUYS HAVE FOR EACH OTHER, ANDTHEY'LL EVEN SAY IT EXPLICITLY,

WE WERE FIGHTING FOR EACH OTHER.>> YEAH.

>> ALMOST ENTIRELY.

>> JUST ABOUT ENTIRELY. AND, IMEAN,

WHAT'S CONFUSING TO THEM ISTHEY COME HOME, AND THEY FIND

THAT THEY MISS IT, THAT THEYMISS THE COMBAT.

>> RIGHT.>>IT'S CONFUSING TO THEM.

IT'S REALLY CONFUSEING TO THEIRWIVES.

AND ONE OF THE THINGS I WANTEDTO DO IN THIS FILM IS TRY

TO ANSWER THE QUESTION: WHAT ISIT THAT THEY'RE MISSING?

AND A LOT, YOU KNOW, THERE'SADRENALINE. THERE'S, YOU KNOW,

ALL THIS SORT OF YOUNG MAN STUFFYOU CAN SEE IN THE

FOOTAGE, BUT THERE IS ALSO THISINCREDIBLE BROTHERHOOD.

>> RIGHT.

>> AND, YOU KNOW, THEY COME HOMETO A SOCIETY HERE WHERE PEOPLE

ARE SHOOTING EACH OTHERIN SCHOOLS EVERY DAY.

IT'S A VERY ALIENATED SOCIETY,AND FRANKLY, THEY SEE IT

REALISTICALLY FOR THE FIRST TIMEWHEN THEY COME HOME.

>> Jon: HAVE YOU BEEN ABLE TOSEE OR IDENTIFY ANY PROGRAMS

THAT HAVE BEEN REALLY EFFECTIVEIN REINTEGRATING SOLDIERS IN A

WAY THAT IS NOT JUST...BECAUSE THE GENERAL THING

YOU HEAR IS, LOOK, WE'RE NOTLOOKING FOR HELP.

WE'RE LOOKING TO HELP.>> YEP.

>> WE'RE LOOKING FOR ANOTHERMISSION.

PREFERABLY WITHOUT AS MUCHGUNFIRE, BUT...

>> PEOPLE LIKE TO FEEL USEFUL.

>> Jon: YES.

>> RIGHT? SO, THERE IS A GROUPCALLED TEAM RUBICON.

IT TAKES VETS AND PUTS THEM INTONATURAL DISASTERS, THAT

KIND OF THING.>> RIGHT.

>> YOU REMEMBER HURRICANE SANDYIN NEW YORK.

>> SURE.>> AND EVERYONE KIND OF BANDED

TOGETHER AND THEY WERE HELPINGEACH OTHER.

AND IN A WEIRD WAY PEOPLE LOOKBACK ON DISASTERS WITH A KIND OF

NOSTALGIA.

THAT'S HOW SOLDIERS LOOK BACK ONCOMBAT.

>> Jon: RIGHT.

>> SO IF WE CAN BRING THEM HOME,BASICALLY IF WE CAN OPERATE IN

MORE OF A COMMUNITY WAY, THAT'SWHAT THEY NEED, BUT FRANKLY,

THAT'S WHAT WE NEED.

>> YEAH, I CAN'T, YOU KNOW, ITALWAYS BLOWS MY MIND.

YOU HAVE ALL THIS... WE HAVE SOMANY PROBLEMS AT HOME.

THEN WE HAVE THIS ENORMOUS ANDTALENTED FIGHTING FORCE, AND YOU

FEEL LIKE, WELL GEEZ, THEY'VEBEEN NATION BUILDING IN

AFGHANISTAN WHERE PEOPLEDIDN'T NECESSARILY WELCOME

THEM, WELL, I BET CHICAGO WOULD.>> YEAH. YEAH.

>> I BET CHICAGO WOULD BE VERYHAPPY TO HAVE THESE VERY

TALENTED INDIVIDUALS WHO AREUSED TO WEARING HELMETS AND FLAK

JACKETS.

AND START REBUILDING THISCOUNTRY.

>> WELL, YEAH.

I MEAN, IT'S AN INTERESTINGQUESTION.

LIKE WHAT IS ALL OF US, LIKEWHAT IS OUR DUTY TO OUR COUNTRY?

OTHER THAN PAYING OUR TAXES?

IS THERE ANYTHING ELSE? RIGHT?

AND, IF THERE IS, SOME KIND OFNATIONAL SERVICE, YOU KNOW...

I MEAN, LIKE...>> Jon: YES. NATIONAL SERVICE,

ESPECIALLY NOW THAT I'M TOOOLD.

[LAUGHTER]THAT'S EXCELLENT.

>> IT REALLY WOULD UNIFY THECOUNTRY A LITTLE BIT.

>> Jon: WHY DON'T WE? YOU KNOW,I MEAN,

UNFORTUNATELY THE POLITICAL WILLTO DO ALMOST ANYTHING IS IN VERY

SHORT RESERVE, BUT I DO LIKE THEIDEA OF NATIONAL SERVICE, BUT

NOT NECESSARILY MILITARY.>> NO. NO. THAT'S RIGHT.

>> YOU COULD HAVE A COMPONENT OFIT THAT IS STATE SIDE.

I THINK IT WOULD BE...

>> MOST PEOPLE WOULD SAY, LOOK,I DON'T WANT TO BE IN THE ARMY,

BUT I'M GLAD TO HELP IN CHICAGO.

IT'S GREAT IDEA.

>> Jon: WE DON'T WANT TO KEEPSAYING "CHICAGO," BUT...

>> OKAY.

DETROIT.

[LAUGHTER]>> Jon: OR, I MEAN, ALL AROUND.

THIS ENTIRE COUNTRY IS,

WE HAVE AN ENORMOUS, DECREPITINFRASTRUCTURE THAT HAS BEEN

IGNORED FOR 20 TO 30 YEARSBECAUSE OF POLITICAL

IN-FIGHTING, BUREAUCRATICCOMPLACENCY.

ALL THESE THINGS THAT WITH THATRIGHT MISSION FOCUSED ETHIC

COULD REALLY BE TACKLED IN AVERY POSITIVE WAY.

AND I THINK THESE SOLDIERS WOULDWELCOME THE OPPORTUNITY.

>> I THINK THEY WOULD. AND,YOU HAVE TO UNDERSTAND,

LIKE THEY SPEND A YEAR ON AREMOTE HILLTOP

LITERALLY SLEEPING SHOULDER TOSHOULDER, AND THAT EXPERIENCE OF

CONNECTION AND INTIMACY ISINCREDIBLY VALUABLE.

AND, IF YOU CAN USE THAT BACKHOME, YOU CAN GET ALMOST

ANYTHING DONE.

>> Jon: I WONDER TOO, YOU KNOW,WHEN YOU SEE THAT EVERYBODY IS

TALKING ABOUT BOWE BERGDAHL ANDHOW THE UNITS ARE REACTING,

YOU CAN SEE HOW WITHINTHAT UNIT THERE IS MAYBE

ALMOST NOTHING YOU CAN DOTHAT IS AS BAD AS WALKING

AWAY FROM YOUR BROTHERS.

>> ABSOLUTELY.

>> OR YOUR SISTERS.

>> ABSOLUTELY.

>> Jon: IT SEEMS LIKE, YOU COULDSEE THEIR ANGER BEING INDELIBLE.

>> YEAH.

I MEAN, I WAS, YOU KNOW, I WASOUT THERE OFF AND ON FOR A YEAR,

AND ONE OF THE, IMEAN, ONE OF THE GREATEST SINS

IS FALLING ASLEEP ON GUARD DUTY.

YOU MAKE A MISTAKE AND EVERYBODYCAN DIE.

AND SO WHEN YOU WALK OUT OF ANOUTPOST. I MEAN, I DON'T KNOW

WHAT HE DID EXACTLY, OBVIOUSLYNONE OF US DO YET, BUT...

>> Jon: NOBODY DOES.

>> BUT THE IDEA OF ABANDONINGYOUR POST,

>> YEAH.

>> YOU'RE NOT, YOU'RE NOTBREAKING MILITARY RULE.

THAT'S NOT THE PROBLEM.

YOU'RE ABANDONING YOURCOMMITMENT TO YOUR BROTHERS WHO

ARE DEPENDING ON YOU.

THAT'S A VERY SERIOUS THING.

>> Jon: IN YOUR MIND, GIVENTHAT BROTHERHOOD, IF SOMEONE

WERE TO DO SOMETHING LIKETHAT, WOULD THAT UNIT STILL

WANT TO GET THATPERSON BACK HOME?

IS THAT ETHIC RUN, EVEN IF THEYFEEL WRONGED?

DO YOU THINK... IT'S ARIDICULOUS HYPOTHETICAL.

>> I THINK IT WOULD DEPEND ONWHY HE WALKED OUT ON THE WIRE.

HE SPOKE PASHTU.IF HE WALKED OUT THE WIRE TO

TRY AND MAKE PEACE WITH THELOCALS, THEY MIGHT HAVE

SAID, YOU KNOW, THAT'S INSANE,THAT WAS STUPID, BUT,

COME ON BACK IN, DON'T BETHAT STUPID AGAIN.

IF HE REALLY ACTUALLY WANTED TOLEAVE THEM, THEY WOULDN'T WANT

HIM BACK, I DOUBT.

>> Jon: RIGHT, RIGHT, RIGHT.

IT'S A FASCINATING MOVIE AGAIN.

AND YOUR ABILITY TO GET INTHERE AND UNDER THE SKIN OF IT

ALL IS REALLY I THINK WHAT MAKESIT I THINK SO SPECTACULAR.

WHERE ARE YOU OFF TO NEXT?

I'M HOPING YOU'RE GOING TO BESOMEWHERE SAFER.

>> I'M OFF TO CAPE COD.

>> Jon:[LAUGHTER]

LET ME SAY THIS: DID NOT SEETHAT COMING.

"KORENGAL" PLAYING IN NEW YORK.

IT'S GOING TO OPEN IN LOSANGELES ON FRIDAY, NATIONWIDE

THROUGHOUT THE SUMMER.

SEBASTIAN JUNGER, THANK YOU.

[APPLAUSE]>> Jon: THAT IS OUR SHOW.

HERE IT IS, YOUR MOMENT OF ZEN.

>> THESE ARE OLD SYSTEMS THAT INMANY CASES DATE 20 AND 30 YEARS

AGO, BEFORE THE INTERNET.

I WAS STILL IN COLLEGE.

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